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Putin is opening up a new front against the West
The Telegraph ^ | 30 Sept 2023 | Ivana Stradner

Posted on 09/30/2023 7:03:09 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan

n the face of mounting tensions, Vladimir Putin’s overarching strategic objective is now clear: to dismantle NATO and expose the alliance’s vulnerabilities. With Russia experiencing setbacks in Ukraine, the immediate threat to NATO members like Poland and the Baltic States may be somewhat mitigated. However, it is in the Balkans where NATO ’s weakest flank lies, presenting an opportune target for Russia’s ambitions.

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This escalation is a dream come true for Moscow. Serbia and Russia have been preparing the Serbs for escalations in Kosovo for months, inflaming tensions in the Balkans to distract the West from its war in Ukraine. They have flooded the information space with propaganda repeating the old claim that Kosovo belongs to Serbia – one propaganda item argued that the UK is preparing a war there. As any student of Balkan history knows, such rhetoric has ignited ethnic violence in the region before.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: cia; globohomo; imperialism; ivanastradner; mi6; putin; serbia; ukraine
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To: Chad C. Mulligan; USA-FRANCE; adorno

The lesson we should take from history is from our first president, when he told us to stay out of entangling alliances. Wise man, that Washington.

Europe is NOT our problem. The feckless Euros have never played well in the sandbox together, and when they can’t get along they call on the US to rescue them, time and time and time again. I’m for dissolving NATO and all other alliances and really being America first. Keep the sea lines of communication open for trade that is in our interest, close the border, and let the rest of the world muddle along, if they can. IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM!


61 posted on 10/01/2023 5:59:18 AM PDT by elenvee ("...against all enemies, foreign and domestic..")
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To: USA-FRANCE
As you see Russia is NOT a defensive organism.

NATO used to be a defensive organization. That changed when they bombed Serbia. Before that they had already taken sides in the Balkans as a "peacekeeper". They decided to "keep the peace" by allowing ethnic purges.

NATO has stolen NOTHING from Russia.

NATO has stolen from Russians by allowing the Baltics to "deRussianize", e.g. ban teaching Russian in schools under NATO protection. The Baltic states would say they are deSovietizing and they were the victims in the past. That's all true, but that doesn't justify reverse ethnic cleansing. Peaceful ethnic cleansing is still ethnic cleansing, and in Ukraine the ethnic cleansing wasn't peaceful before Russia attacked.

WWII made America the richest nation in the entire history of planet earth!

WWIII won't have that same effect. The crux of the issue is how to contain Russian without them waiting a few decades and coming back stronger than ever. We lack a long term plan.

62 posted on 10/01/2023 6:11:56 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

-——Vladimir Putin’s overarching strategic objective is now-——

Survival

His overarching objective is to merely survive the debacle he has wrought


63 posted on 10/01/2023 6:18:29 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

NATO needs to be dismantled. It accomplished its mission 32 years ago. Now it’s a globalist warmongering bureaucracy.


64 posted on 10/01/2023 6:19:12 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: elenvee
The lesson we should take from history is from our first president, when he told us to stay out of entangling alliances. Wise man, that Washington.

Back then, that was probably a wise suggestion. But, the world is quite different now. Washington would not be making such a suggestion now, because it would sound very naive.

We could quit NATO and all other alliances. But, how do we get a guarantee that there will not be any hostile nations looking to get advantage or take advantage of our peaceful gestures. Would China leave us alone. Would Russia turn pacifist? Would Iran and the Muslim countries finally decide to leave Israel alone and would they also decide to not try to spread their religion by force?

Washington may have been a very wise man, but it's doubtful he would be thought of as so wise in today's world if he were to say the same things.
65 posted on 10/01/2023 6:39:08 AM PDT by adorno
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To: elenvee

George Washington is the best known and the original American Isolationist.

His followers today are the new breed, the neo isolationists who lack the vision to see beyond their own county lines.

Washington’s contemporaries were men of the world


66 posted on 10/01/2023 6:42:23 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Yes I read it. Why do you ask?


67 posted on 10/01/2023 6:51:02 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Lets recao.

You said the war wasn’t because of nato.

I said the head of nato says it is because of NATO and posted what I did.

Hope this helps.


68 posted on 10/01/2023 6:53:16 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

NATO has become a greedy empire.

They want to expand to Asia with an office in Japan.


69 posted on 10/01/2023 6:54:42 AM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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To: bert

Lace up the boots and go fight for Ukraine, Rambo. If you can’t see this is nothing more than corporate welfare for the MIC and a Croft for corrupt politicians, then maybe don’t vote in 2024.


70 posted on 10/01/2023 7:09:52 AM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: MTBobcat

Blah blah blah isolationist drivel yada yada yada


71 posted on 10/01/2023 7:22:01 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: bert

Russia is not going to take over Eastern Europe, and Germany depends on Putin to power their economy. Wake up, Chicken Hawk.


72 posted on 10/01/2023 7:44:32 AM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: BobL

sad, but (I fear) true...


73 posted on 10/01/2023 7:58:28 AM PDT by Thunder 6 (Panzer raus!)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Here’s hoping Kosovo gets SMASHED, and neocons like you are weeping over dead Muzloid heathen corpses and your fake nation.

Bush ghouls, harpies and globaloids will piss and weep, which will be lots and lots of fun to watch.


74 posted on 10/01/2023 8:09:50 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: MTBobcat; bert

I like bert but think of him as a cross between the actual Bert on “I Love Lucy” and Bill Kristol.

Then his st000pit azz postings kinda make a little sense.


75 posted on 10/01/2023 8:16:09 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Reverend Wright; palmer; elenvee; Chad C. Mulligan; adorno; gleeaikin; All

Reverend Wright, you said:
“NATO is an anti-Russian alliance, but NATO is not a hostile alliance to an enemy country...????”

My answer:
Read again what I said previously.
I said : Unlike Russia, NATO has never ANNEXED territories by force and violence and declared “this is NATO-land now”!
We can agree on that right?

Also as everyone knows from our history lessons :
Russia had stolen half of Europe for many decades, including the Baltic States (!). When the infamous Russian WALL finally got teared down and the Kremlin colonialist regime imploded, all those eastern countries previously stolen and/or under Russian control, finally got their freedom again.

They knew though that Russia would one day COME BACK with its usual neocon warmongering and for-ever-wars (which Russia indeed started to do again from 2014 and beyond). That’s why those small defenseless eastern nations demanded NATO’s protection, in order to not be invaded AGAIN!

And it worked! NATO’s defensive structure managed to stop Russia to steal back all those Eastern European nations.

HOWEVER (!) every sovereign eastern country not yet in NATO’s protective umbrella, have ALL(!) been invaded by Russia! Yes: Georgia, Moldova, Crimea, Ukraine...
THUS, we can agree that NATO defensive mechanism works!
NATO has ZERO interest, will, or structure to annex Russia other other countries. Even Putin knows that.

About YUGOSLAVIA.

Again, that country is a free nation. It is NOT controlled by either America, the EU or NATO. Pretending otherwise is pure missinformation.

The NATO bombings that happened there were done only after endless discussions and negotiations were held with Serbia trying to make them stop the killings of their own people.
Unfortunately, the Soviet-inspired bloodthirsty communist apparatchik called MILOSEVIC continued the organized mass executions of civilians.

THAT triggered NATO to act. But again:

Unlike what Russia did in Ukraine, NATO didn’t put NATO troops on the ground in Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t invade Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t ANNEX Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t kidnap thousands of Serbian children.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t level (Grozny-style) entire villages and and towns in Serbia.

Unlike what Russia did to Ukraine, NATO didn’t purposely mass bomb civilian apartments and houses were regular citizens live and sleep.


76 posted on 10/01/2023 8:22:09 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: canuck_conservative
”The US is the richest, most powerful country in the World

How odd, I’ve always heard the US was a debtor nation.

77 posted on 10/01/2023 8:30:12 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: MTBobcat

You live in a past that was, is dead and gone.

The world is full of gas and oil and Russia is not the only source. The Gulf States and even Israel have pipelines to Europe on the drawing boards ready to go. The only reason for Russia to be in Syria was to prevent the pipelines from reality and eliminate the competition.

Post Czar Mother Russia is withering to nothingness. The world has decided. No more Russian menace


78 posted on 10/01/2023 8:33:44 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Navy Patriot; lightman

Kosovo is Serbia!

Republika Srpska is Serbia!

Montenegro is Serbia!

The NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999, and the forcible detachment of Serbian lands by the clintons and their successors are war crimes!!!

Poland, Hungary, and Russian areas of “Ukraine” are being hurt by biden/Zelensky/obama’s war! So are all members of the true Orthodox Church of Ukraine, under Metropolitan Onuphry! This must all be reversed!!


79 posted on 10/01/2023 10:31:48 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: USA-FRANCE; All

Now this NeoCon defends the Serbia bombing.

What about the Iraq War or the Bush/Clinton Somalia fiasco ?

Is there any Globalist war stupidity you won’t defend ?


80 posted on 10/01/2023 11:01:28 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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