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Experts urge race against time to unearth last secrets of Herculaneum s lost library
The Scotsman ^ | Wed 27 Mar 2002 | Tim Cornwell

Posted on 04/03/2002 4:32:14 PM PST by Korth

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1 posted on 04/03/2002 4:32:14 PM PST by Korth
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AWESOME!


2 posted on 04/03/2002 4:44:50 PM PST by vannrox
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Bump
3 posted on 04/03/2002 4:45:23 PM PST by father_elijah
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Fascinating article BUMP
4 posted on 04/03/2002 4:46:38 PM PST by PianoMan
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Grant May Fund Recovery of Lost Latin Library in Italy




British and Italian archeologists are poised to begin restoration of parts of the 2,000-year-old sister city of Pompeii that could include excavation of a library that one scholar calls “the holy grail of Latin scholars,” the London Times reported August 8.


An international committee is optimistic about receiving a $100-million grant from the Packard Humanities Institute, a California foundation, that would allow work to begin at Herculaneum, which is less than 10 miles from the more famous Pompeii. Both towns were overwhelmed by ash and lava spewed out during the eruption of Vesuvius in 79 A.D. The houses and streets of Pompeii have been excavated; work at Herculaneum began in the 18th century but has been hampered because much of the ancient city is buried beneath the modern town of Ercolano.


Herculaneum was a city of patrician villas, including that of Julius Caesar’s father-in-law, which is said to contain a celebrated “lost Latin library” of the works of such poets as Horace and Virgil. Many upper stories of buildings in the buried city have been preserved, said Andrew Wallace-Hadrill, director of the British School at Rome, and “who knows, the great library may have been equally well preserved over 2,000 years.”


American Library Association

5 posted on 04/03/2002 4:49:07 PM PST by vannrox
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Grant Sought to Recover “Lost Latin Library”




British and Italian archeologists are poised to begin restoration of parts of the 2,000-year-old sister city of Pompeii that could include excavation of a library that one scholar calls "the holy grail of Latin scholars," the London Times reported August 8.


An international committee is optimistic about receiving a $100-million grant from the Packard Humanities Institute, a California foundation, that would allow work to begin at Herculaneum, which is less than 10 miles from the more famous Pompeii. Both towns were overwhelmed by ash and lava spewed out during the eruption of Vesuvius in 79 AD. The houses and streets of Pompeii have been excavated; work at Herculaneum began in the 18th century but has been hampered because much of the ancient city is buried beneath the modern town of Ercolano.


Herculaneum was a city of patrician villas, including that of Julius Caesar’s father-in-law, which is said to contain a celebrated "lost Latin library" of the works of such poets as Horace and Virgil. Many upper stories of buildings in the buried city have been preserved, said Andrew Wallace-Hadrill, director of the British School at Rome, and "who knows, the great library may have been equally well-preserved over 2,000 years."


American Libraries, October 2000, p. 29

6 posted on 04/03/2002 4:51:04 PM PST by vannrox
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As long as Geraldo is not airing a special about it as they open the doors I am for it....
7 posted on 04/03/2002 4:54:27 PM PST by chance33_98
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This literature and writings are the soul of early Western civilization. I wish I had the monetary means to help preserve these scrolls. 20 million dollars is nothing compared to the knowledge and history contained in them.
8 posted on 04/03/2002 4:55:20 PM PST by germanicus
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To: Korth
Spare no expense.
9 posted on 04/03/2002 4:56:08 PM PST by denydenydeny
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Found at METAFILTER
February 11, 2001


The Independent has a report that excavations at Herculaneum has brought forth some 850 papyri and "Among the works, which academics hope to read using the new equipment, are the lost works of Aristotle (his 30 dialogues, referred to by other authors, but lost in antiquity), scientific works by Archimedes, mathematical treatises by Euclid, philosophical work by Epicurus, masterpieces by the Greek poets Simonides and Alcaeus, erotic poems by Philodemus, lesbian erotic poetry by Sappho, the lost sections of Virgil's Juvenilia, comedies by Terence, tragedies by Seneca and works by the Roman poets Ennius, Accius, Catullus, Gallus, Macer and Varus." (posted by stbalbach at 8:58 AM PST (20 comments total))


Very cool! Just a note: the manuscripts themselves aren't new, they've been around since Herculaneum was excavated a long time ago--they just haven't been readable until now. I can't wait to hear more about this. (posted by rodii at 9:31 AM PST on February 11 )


Wow. This rocks on so many levels. Not the least of which being that the scrolls belonged to Julius Caesar's father-in-law. (posted by Optamystic at 9:59 AM PST on February 11)


A question: okay, so you've got these unreadable ancient texts lying around, right? And there are all these lost works of genius that are known to have existed but are thought not to exist any more? So you finally manage to find a way to uncover the details of these manuscripts and...hey! It's the lost work of all these great greeks! So is it the case that:
A: There just weren't that many amazing greek scholars
B: There were loads but most of them didn't carry into folk myth so we never hear about them.
C: There are loads of papyrus texts by scholars that have either not been read, are only vagualy readable or are just not "noteworthy" enough to get a mention.
(posted by davidgentle at 6:25 PM PST on February 11)


D: Only the big names made it into the press release, and there are dozens of Greek Danielle Steeles in the library that just aren't worth mentioning. (posted by rodii at 9:04 PM PST on February 11 )


If there were 1,200 scrolls, whoever was taking care of them at the time might very well have put together a catalog or inventory of some kind. This wouldn't have taken the form of a card catalog as that only came in with Napoleon but it might have been some sort of book/scroll. That said, while most of the manuscripts are illegible, it may be that parts of them are legible enough to make out the author or the work. Like anyone who's ever brushed up against Greek and Latin literature, I'm quite excited/hopeful about the news. I wonder if something from Petronius will turn up -- I always wanted a complete copy of the Satyricon plus whatever of his lyric poetry I could possibly get my hands on -- the poetry knocked me out when I first came across it as an undergrad. I'm sure others have their own wish-list. (posted by leo at 9:20 PM PST on February 11 )


Oh my. This is going to be huge, fascinating, and relevant even to modern times. Just reading the words "[Aristotle's] 30 dialogues, referred to by other authors, but lost in antiquity" is exciting to this old political theorist. People generally know that Aristotle was Plato's student, but if you're not familiar with Greek philosophy, you may now know that one of the big demarcations between them was that Plato was known for his dialogues - he didn't write prose - and Aristotle was known for his (usually terse) prose. People have written about this break for years, and speculated about whether the stylistic break went along with the intellectual break Aristotle made with his teacher or was a separate thing. And of course this is still quite relevant, in that many of the foundations of modern political and social thought can be directly drawn back to Aristotle, especially through the catholic interpretations of St Thomas Aquinas and many others, which presaged the enlightenment.

Of course the US constitution, still at issue, is an enlightenment document.
(posted by mikel at 9:46 PM PST on February 11)


mikel: there's also the division between Aristotle's "esoteric" and "exoteric" works: the more expansive texts that are believed to be authorised works, and the terser stuff that some people think is the equivalent of lecture notes. (Explaining the stylistic division, to some extent, though not the break from dialectic.) Now, if there's fuller versions of scrappy texts to be found, that's going to make a real difference.

(It's also worth noting that much of our knowledge of Greek philosophers and mathematicians comes from Arab scholars, who preserved Aristotle during the Dark Ages, even when they didn't appreciate much of what was being said. A nice contrast to modern conceptions of Islam.) posted by holgate at 10:51 AM PST on February 12



10 posted on 04/03/2002 4:59:40 PM PST by vannrox
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You think they'll have Latin translations of some of the missing Greek stuff (eg Aristotle?)
11 posted on 04/03/2002 5:00:28 PM PST by PianoMan
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Would that the wealthy foundations (Ford, Mott and Gates wake up) might actually do something useful. Or why couldn't Harvard or Yale support this task? Why should they hoard their billion dollar endowments to little purpose except to grow richer?
12 posted on 04/03/2002 5:01:16 PM PST by gaspar
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Ancient Roman villa may hold world's richest literary treasure
By Robert Harris
April 2 2002

Two thousand years ago, on the Bay of Naples, in the outskirts of the luxurious resort of Herculaneum, stood one of the grandest houses of the Roman world.

The Blenheim Palace extended more than 200 metres along the shoreline and included an Olympic-sized pool. The extraordinary construction, which has never been fully excavated, is now the subject of an academic controversy.

Eight of the world's leading scholars of ancient literature, including four professors of Greek (from the universities of Bristol, Harvard, London and Oxford) have launched a campaign to recover what they believe the villa may still contain: one of the greatest cultural treasures of all time. Unless work starts soon, they warn, it could be lost for ever.

The villa probably belonged to Lucius Calpurnius Piso, father-in-law of Julius Caesar and one of the rulers of the Roman republic. In AD79, a century after his death, it was buried under 30 metres of volcanic debris by the same Vesuvius eruption that wiped out Pompeii and Herculaneum.

In 1738, it was rediscovered and the excavators removed statues and objets d'art. In the process, they threw away many lumps of what they took to be coal or charcoal. It was not until 1752 when they discovered the villa's library - neatly lined with 1800 rolls of papyrus - that they realised the discarded material had been books.

It remains the only intact library to have survived from the ancient world and the palace became known as "the Villa of the Papyri".

These rolls of papyri were difficult to decipher and it was not until the 1970s that they began to receive proper scientific study from an international team of scholars led by Professor Marcello Gigante of the University of Naples.

Hundreds of Greek works - including half of Epicurus' entire opus, missing for 2300 years - and some Roman odes were read for the first time.

The author most commonly represented turned out to be Philodemus, an Epicurean philosopher attached to Piso's household, who taught the greatest Latin poet, Virgil, and probably Horace.

It was increasingly Professor Gigante's conviction that only about half of Piso's collection had been retrieved and that much more awaited discovery.

Fresh attempts were made in the 1990s to explore the old excavations and these yielded an astonishing discovery. The villa was not merely built on one level, as had been previously thought, but was terraced down to the sea. It appeared that slaves had been trying to carry crates of books to safety when they were overwhelmed by the eruption.

And the mosaic floors, frescoes and painted ceilings of these lower storeys supported Professor Gigante's belief in the existence of a second library.

Unfortunately, the project ran out of money and Professor Gigante died in November. All that now remains of the exploration is a huge waterlogged hole in which float the syringes of local heroin addicts.

Several of the experts involved in the campaign to save the villa agree there may be lost plays by Sophocles, Euripides and Aeschylus, or even the lost dialogues of Aristotle, as well as works by many other Greek writers, in the lower level.

A contemporary copy of the Lucretius poem On the Nature of Things - which has been recovered - suggests that the villa may yield copies of Virgil's Aeneid, or copies of Horace, or even Catullus.

And it is possible that a family capable of owning such a villa also possessed a copy of Livy's History of Rome, of which more than 100 of the original 142 books are missing.

In the words of the campaigners: "We can expect to find good contemporary copies of known masterpieces and to recover works lost to humanity for two millennia. A treasure of greater cultural importance can scarcely be imagined."

In the meantime, the buried villa is threatened, in the short term by flooding, in the long term by renewed volcanic activity. What is needed is money to restart the excavation and sufficient will on the part of the Italian authorities to see the project through.

-Telegraph

This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/04/01/1017206183365.html

13 posted on 04/03/2002 5:04:12 PM PST by vannrox
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To: Korth
Now THAT is what I consider an exciting news article! Thanks for posting it.
15 posted on 04/03/2002 5:08:32 PM PST by Moonmad27
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If they find the records it may turn out somebody owes a giant overdue fee. Could amount to over $MCMXXLCM.VII.

Probably for "Yvrtle est Tvrtle" by "Dr Svess". It's never returned on time.

16 posted on 04/03/2002 5:08:38 PM PST by Risky Schemer
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WOW! This is so cool!
17 posted on 04/03/2002 5:11:41 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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Millions of dollars could be spent teaching people to read and to write today.
Ancient texts are not necessarily superior to modern texts, they are just older. The words of the "reprints" are only as reliable as the scribes, and the integrity of the historians of the time was just as fallible as the veracity of journalists today.
18 posted on 04/03/2002 5:11:52 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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How do I get on Gods, Graves, Glyphs bump list?
19 posted on 04/03/2002 5:28:06 PM PST by PoisedWoman
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