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Chinese steelmaker pays for US tariffs (Bush was right, I was wrong)
BBC ^ | 4/29/02 | staff

Posted on 04/29/2002 9:15:49 AM PDT by LarryLied

China's biggest steelmaker has seen its profits plummet as it faces what observers believe will be a flood of foreign steel into its domestic market.

Now that the US has slapped tariffs on steel imports in an attempt to protect its own industry, exporting countries are thought likely to look to China's huge and booming economy as an alternative market.

Baoshan Iron & Steel's admission that net profits for the first three months of the year were 39.5% lower than last year therefore comes at a bad time.

The company, the fourth biggest in the world by market capitalisation, said it made a profit of 547.8m yuan ($66.3m; £45.4m) for the three months, on sales which fell 2.3% to 7.09bn yuan.

Flooding in

The losses at Baosteel, as it is known, follow a 14.4% fall in profits for 2001 as a whole from the previous year.

"In the first quarter of 2002, the domestic and international steel markets were sluggish and the prices of our core products such as cold-rolled and hot-rolled steel plates fell 11% year on year," it said in a statement.

Imports have surged since the US introduced selective tariffs of up to 30%. China's newly-minted membership of the World Trade Organisation and the lower tariffs it brings with it is also encouraging other countries to get in on the act.

Baosteel is now asking for government protection.

Help is on the way, in the shape of anti-dumping investigations launched against cold-rolled steel imports from South Korea, Russia, Taiwan, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chinastuff; chinese; freetrade; steel; tariffs
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To: Clara Lou
The battle ground for steel sales was the USA... everyone was fighting for the same carrot and there wasn't enough to go around...

At the same time US steel producers were being stuck and out bid...

While at the same time China put up barriers to trade...(or course not exporting)...

This is essentially forcing sellers to export to developing markets in much more of a FAIR trade scenario...

They will complain about lower profits... but don't complain to us... complain to the Chinese...there should be a smooth and steady opening of the world markets... which to China that means 'everyone except us...'

81 posted on 04/29/2002 5:00:33 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Grampa Dave
The enviralists have prevented us from building any new refineries.

Thank you Ralph Nader, friend of the consumer (barf).

82 posted on 04/29/2002 5:11:00 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Grampa Dave
It's amazing how quickly the pure libertarian/free trade view of the steel tariffs became an item of faith among the conservative talking heads and pundits. Typical of most in the punditocracy, they are apparently too ignorant or biased to formulate what I consider to be an intelligent discussion of the subject. The sum of their argument is "free trade good, tariffs bad", without any discussion of what "free" or fair trade is and what is truly in the national interest. I heard Walter Williams compare the steel industry to footwear for the military when discussing the issue in a national security context. What a joke.
83 posted on 04/29/2002 5:17:00 PM PDT by CrossCheck
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To: jlogajan
The price of steel has not gone up nor down very much... thats the allure of the US to many of these dumpers... make it cheap... sell it high...

The mark-up is where they made their gold... not in lowering the prices...

I would have to do some research on the problems etc... but I will venture to say that revenues for US steel manufacturers steadily declined... while prices remained relatively the same with only minor price fluxuations...

84 posted on 04/29/2002 5:19:07 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Grampa Dave
The stealth president strikes again.

Stuff like this is why I didn't rip my 2004Bush bumper sticker off when CFR passed. I'm in a wait and see mode at the moment.

He just got one of his stars back :)

GO BUSH

85 posted on 04/29/2002 5:24:31 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: dubyaismypresident
year on year pricing is not the measure... the real measure in this case would be much larger in scale...

YOY prices drop with economic ups and downs...

Now if we look at it in much longer terms... we can see fairly steady pricing, with the exception of creating a market that 'just undercuts' US manufacturers...

They won't cut prices too much, just enough to gain marketshare... the $$$ for the dumpers was in low cost manufacture and high market prices...

Free traders believe in free competition, no? Thats exactly what was not happening, not because of us, but them... there were brick walls everywhere in the world all funneling competition into the US...

86 posted on 04/29/2002 5:27:57 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: VA Advogado
This is definitely not the place for you.....did you wander away from DU?

Considering the RAT on your home page, I would say it quite appropo.

87 posted on 04/29/2002 5:30:03 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: CrossCheck
You posted some great wisdom here: It's amazing how quickly the pure libertarian/free trade view of the steel tariffs became an item of faith among the conservative talking heads and pundits.

I think that you are also right re their mental abilities to understand these complicated issues. So they develop a mantra and use it like one of the 10 commandments. The problem is that in these issues, often there are so many issues and shades of variance in each issue like this one re the steel tariffs. You can't have a simplistic mantra for everything in life. Our forefathers didn't intend for mantras that if followed blindly could lead to damaging your self or even suicide.

Then, they try to make these things a moral issue like you will go to hell if you ever have a tariff. Then this repels a who lot of voters who are looking for some common sense instead something written on stone from a higher source.

What angers them is GW is not bound nor locked in with this jingo mantra thinking. He will not allow a small group of people to put him and American into a box and then punish us when we try to get out of their pre conceived box.

88 posted on 04/29/2002 5:31:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: maui_hawaii
Free traders believe in free competition, no? Thats exactly what was not happening, not because of us, but them... there were brick walls everywhere in the world all funneling competition into the US...

Exactly.

89 posted on 04/29/2002 5:31:39 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: Samwise
There are none so blind as those who will not see. Some are determined to bash the President no matter what he does or says. They react with emotion without considering all sides of the issue........pity!!!
90 posted on 04/29/2002 5:31:57 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: weikel
As is your right!!!
91 posted on 04/29/2002 5:34:04 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: LarryLied
BTTT ... interesting post Double L. &;-)
92 posted on 04/29/2002 5:35:31 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: monday
CFR were the master minds!
93 posted on 04/29/2002 5:37:11 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: VA Advogado
You are looking at this simply from a trade and business viewpoint. Yes, their businesses do get cheaper steel for a while, which allows them to make greater profits.

BUT, their domestic steel industry is decimated by this action, because they cannot compete, unless they prop it up with money from the government. Money from the government in China is not a available as it was a few years ago.

This action needs to be viewed as more than just a trade question. If China has its resources diverted to propping up their steel industry, they have fewer resources for their mischief in other areas. This is a good thing.

In addition, if they choose to let their steel industry wither, they will not be able to manufacture items needed for their war machine.

I cannot see where this helps the Chinese at all. Good for W!!

94 posted on 04/29/2002 5:37:44 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Centurion2000
This is one of the areas that I didn't have the data. I felt that biker4bush, months ago presented the best argument for what the President did. Now GW's decision appears to be heading in the right direction.

Does this make GW perfect? No, but his batting average right now makes me happy.

Will GW make some mistakes? Yes, but who doesn't.

When issues like this come up, I ask myself what President Goron would have done? President Goron would have closed down all our steel mills so we couldn't build any more cars and ships that pollute the environment!

95 posted on 04/29/2002 5:41:58 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: VA Advogado
Don't let the door hit you in the rump as you going looking some place else!

You are leaving aren't you?

96 posted on 04/29/2002 5:43:47 PM PDT by sausageseller
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To: Miss Marple
This action needs to be viewed as more than just a trade question. If China has its resources diverted to propping up their steel industry, they have fewer resources for their mischief in other areas. This is a good thing.

Yet your same theory doesnt not apply to the US? What about MY resources that are (tariff) diverted to propping up OUR steel industry? You cant be serious.

97 posted on 04/29/2002 5:59:37 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: OldFriend
Considering the RAT on your home page, I would say it quite appropo.

Thanks again for showing every reader here that you cannot back up your goofy economic theories with a solid example of it working in real life and instead resort to personal attacks.

98 posted on 04/29/2002 6:01:04 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
Yes, I am serious. Because WE have imposed the tariff, we do not have to divert our resources. China is now in the same boat we were in 6 months ago.

Steel production is a national security issue, first and foremost. All other considerations are secondary.

99 posted on 04/29/2002 6:04:00 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: dubyaismypresident, hopalong
Bush is doing China a favor by raising tarriffs...

We were having a discussion...

What is better... to have the 'rich nations' feel and obligation to buy imports from the 'poor nations' an call that process of pouring money into a broken system 'development'... or....

To realize that 'development' is not entirely tangible cash assets...

In most cases 'development' is not a tangible asset...

Competion being compelled upon someone forces them to move. That in turn forces reforms of various sorts... such as management practices, professionalsim, reformed accounting practices, ect...

nessesity is the mother of invention...

Bush is doing more to develop the world than anyone I have ever seen...

Developing is painful, but required...

100 posted on 04/29/2002 6:05:48 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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