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Why can't we close our borders if we're at war?
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Posted on 02/19/2003 12:29:20 PM PST by hsmomx3

With crime on the increase and a war on the horizon, seems to me more could be done by the federal government to curtail activity at our nation's borders.

Why not close them?


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1 posted on 02/19/2003 12:29:20 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: hsmomx3
Agree 110%. Why even have borders or an immigration policy if they aren't enforced? And the current situation of foreign hostiles makes this situation even more clear.
2 posted on 02/19/2003 12:31:48 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: hsmomx3
Because we don't have anybody with a spine in our senate or congress?

Just a wild guess on my part...(sniff)

3 posted on 02/19/2003 12:33:22 PM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problem solved !)
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To: hsmomx3
Why not close them?

It would never fly because we still have too many DemocRats in office!

4 posted on 02/19/2003 12:35:10 PM PST by scooter2
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To: scooter2
Besides, how would the rich liberals in West LA get their lawns mowed and their cars washed?
5 posted on 02/19/2003 12:40:23 PM PST by Argus
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To: hsmomx3
because this is a free country?
6 posted on 02/19/2003 12:41:15 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: hsmomx3
You've raised an excellent point. This is precisely why I question how much of a "threat" Saddam Hussein really is to the U.S. Why the U.S. would wage war against Iraq while at the same time allowing unfettered access to this country for cretins of any persuasion via our airports and our porous southern border is truly baffling.
7 posted on 02/19/2003 12:41:51 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: hsmomx3
This is just a guess but in short, drugs. It is obvious that if the gov shut off our borders it would severly criple the illegal drug flow into this country. It goes without saying that there is a lot of money involved in the illicit drug business and directly or indirectly there are very powerful politicians in this country getting a piece of that drug money pie. Remember Mena Arkansas?
8 posted on 02/19/2003 12:52:31 PM PST by drypowder
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To: hsmomx3
Because W and Vicente Foxx are school Bud's and if we sealed our borders it would really tick off Vicente!! So we won't be protecting the American People by sealing the borders now!

Ravenstar
9 posted on 02/19/2003 1:06:27 PM PST by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: hsmomx3
You raise a good point. Anyone who believes that things are the same as they were during the 1990s, and that the current geopolitical events are simply a minor glitch, needs to have their head examined. First in line for the examination? Thomas L. Friedman. Second? Francis Fukuyama. NEXT!.....

And now, for some critical thinking and unambiguous strategy....

WHITE PAPER: RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CORPORATIONS IN SUPPORT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

February 14th, 2003 A.D.

Given the various strikes against the West and our allies, including the EP-3 attack, 9/11 and others, it has become abundantly clear to truly discerning analysts that massive conflict between the Trans-Asian Axis and ourselves, as described by such authors as Jan Sejna, Anatoliy Golitsyn, J.R. Nyquist, Yossef Bodansky, Col. Lunev, and Dr. Alexandr Nemets, is inevitable.

In addition to overt threats posed by terrorism and WMD against the West and allies, there are dangerous behaviors that we, in the West and truly allied nations, theoretically have ultimate control over. What we are specifically referring to are behaviors demonstrated by certain corporations based in the US, or operating in the US, which, ultimately, based on the observation in the first paragraph, serve to undermine the security of the West and our allies.

Certain corporations have, for some years, done, and continue at present, to do, the following things:

A. Sell dual use items and technologies to customers in nation states whose goals include the destruction of the West and our allies.

B. Conduct operations in nations whose goals include the destruction of the West and our allies.

C. Recruit, hire and employ citizens of nations whose goals include the destruction of the West and our allies, both for assignments in their own nations, and, in the West and allied nations.

D. Source supplies and services from nations whose goals include the destruction of the West and our allies.

Based on the apparent geopolitical timbre of the times, these behaviors not only constitute a long term threat, due to the likely future supply and business interruptions, of corporations themselves, but may actually constitute treason, espionage and violation of the Patriot Act. In order to prevent any further damage to Homeland Security, the following explicit recommendations are made:

1.All employees of corporations based in or operating in the USA and abroad should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI, US Attorney, Homeland Security, and others as applicable, for treason, espionage and terrorist activity or support. This must include all managers and executives in order to be maximally effective.

2.All operations in, export to and sourcing from, the following nation states should be ended or proscribed by no later than June 1, 2003: The People's Republic of China, Russia and other former Soviet states, The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Laos, Vietnam, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Angola, Brazil, Venezuela, Cuba, and, Libya.

3.Focussed investigations should be made by the CIA and DIA regarding operations involving MCST in Russia, the Russian government and governments of Soviet states, the government and army of the PRC (and companies partly held by them) as well as the government of Pakistan.

4.Aggressive prosecution, for any crimes described herein, of employees, management, executives, partners, board members and others having specific relationships with offending firms.

We surmise that only by taking aggressive action in these regards may we prevent further compromise of our Homeland Security and our position in coming military conflicts.

The Founders of the New Alliance, Concerned Employees and shareholders of General Electric, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Hewlett Packard, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Dell Computer, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Sun Microsystems, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Tyco, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Boeing, Concerned Employees and shareholders of General Motors, Concerned Employees and shareholders of IBM, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Daimler Chrysler, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Microsoft, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Cisco Systems, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Solectron, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Loral Space Systems, Concerned Employees and shareholders of Hughes.

CC: FBI, Homeland Security, U.S. Attorney

10 posted on 02/19/2003 1:08:46 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: hsmomx3
You'd probably have to do it slowly, but it could probably be done. There's a lot of money (relatively speaking) exchanging hands in border towns like San Diego, Buffalo, Las Cruces, etc. There are thousands of legal Mexicans and Canadians who cross the border daily to work. Set aside the impact on them. What about the companies that employ them?

Like I said, it would have to be done slowly, if at all.

11 posted on 02/19/2003 1:14:02 PM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: hsmomx3
The US economy is very interdependent with trade with Canada and Mexico. Shut down the border for more than a day and every major manufacturer would start laying off workers due to lack of parts. Very, very bad for the economy.
12 posted on 02/19/2003 1:14:22 PM PST by doc30
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To: belmont_mark
Illegal immigrants provided cover for Sept. 11
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/772881/posts
13 posted on 02/19/2003 1:16:36 PM PST by WatchNKorea ( http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a37a7ce78f9.htm)
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To: hsmomx3; meenie
bttt
14 posted on 02/19/2003 1:17:06 PM PST by WatchNKorea ( http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a37a7ce78f9.htm)
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To: doc30
Manufacture those parts like we used to!

Ravenstar
15 posted on 02/19/2003 1:18:40 PM PST by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: hsmomx3
Why not close them?

Because it's impossible to block our thousands of miles of ocean and land borders. Not to dismiss this question, but I don't see it as possible.

16 posted on 02/19/2003 1:19:34 PM PST by GOPyouth
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To: GOPyouth
Let me add to this in case I'm misunderstanding what you are saying. If you're referring to established border crossings, then that's another story.
17 posted on 02/19/2003 1:20:51 PM PST by GOPyouth
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To: hsmomx3
The Open-Borders Conspiracy (Ford Foundation)
18 posted on 02/19/2003 1:21:22 PM PST by B4Ranch (Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Have you ever been on the US/Mex border in Arizona?...most of it is inaccessible desert and mts..it is logistically impossible to close off the border with either Can or Mex!
19 posted on 02/19/2003 1:21:43 PM PST by kaktuskid
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it is logistically impossible to close off the border with either Can or Mex!

Exactly. I was amazed at the amount of land we have when I drove from Tyler, TX to San Diego this past summer.

20 posted on 02/19/2003 1:23:21 PM PST by GOPyouth
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