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Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea?
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Posted on 10/30/2003 12:06:14 PM PST by truthfinder9

Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? 'Physical evidence' of ancient Exodus prompting new look at Old Testament http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168 By Joe Kovacs © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

"And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided." (Exodus 14:21 )

One of the most famous stories of the Bible is God's parting of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from the Egyptian army and the subsequent drowning of soldiers and horses in hot pursuit.

But is there evidence that such an event did in fact happen – and if so, precisely where did it take place?

The issue is surfacing some 3,500 years after the event is said to have taken place with reports of Egyptian chariot wheels found in the Red Sea, photographs to document it and new books by scientists that could lead to a whole remapping of the Exodus route and a fresh look at ancient biblical accounts.

Is this a chariot wheel that chased Moses?

"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."

The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.

"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army."

But despite all of Elmer's excitement, others who have been to the same location are not so sure what is being viewed underwater are the remnants of the great chase and urge extreme caution regarding the unsubstantiated claims.

"All kinds of people are finding coral and calling it chariot parts," says Richard Rives, president of Wyatt Archaeological Research in Tennessee. "It's most likely coral covered with coral. ... Opportunists are combining false things with the true things that are found. These people are making it up as they go to be TV stars."

Rives was a longtime partner of Ron Wyatt, an anesthetist and amateur archaeologist who died of cancer in 1999. Before passing away, Wyatt devoted years searching for and documenting physical evidence for events mentioned in the Bible. In addition to chariot wheels, Wyatt claimed to have found Noah's Ark on the mountain next to Ararat in Turkey, the "true" Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia and the Ark of the Covenant with the Ten Commandments near the site of Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

Among those who accompanied Wyatt on many of his excursions is his wife, Mary Nell. She's concerned about over-exuberance regarding new claims, but the Spring Hill, Tenn., woman tells WorldNetDaily she's "convinced" there are chariot parts located on a subsurface "land bridge" connecting Egypt to Saudi Arabia through the Gulf of Aqaba. She cites Ron's discovery of a wheel hub that he brought to the surface in the late 1970s as proof.

The hub had the remains of eight spokes radiating outward and was examined by Nassif Mohammed Hassan, director of Antiquities in Cairo. Hassan declared it to be from the 18th Dynasty of ancient Egypt, explaining the eight-spoked wheel was used only during that dynasty around 1400 B.C.

Curiously, no one can account for the precise whereabouts of that eight-spoked wheel today, though Hassan is on videotape stating his conclusion regarding authenticity.

When Mary Nell went diving with Ron, she says it was very easy to assume (wrongly) that every item on the flat bottom had historical significance.

"[At first] I thought everything was a chariot wheel!" Mrs. Wyatt exclaimed, noting how difficult it is for the untrained eye to distinguish an artifact from a piece of coral. "I'm just trying to be cautious about over-identifying too much. ... It is God's truth, and we can't hype it up. We can't add to it."

However, she notes a big problem for explorers and scientists is that the Egyptian government no longer allows items to be removed from the protected region. Thus, someone claiming to find an artifact will have a hard – if not impossible – time verifying its authenticity, a classic catch-22.

"And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them." (Exodus 14:28) The Bible account makes it clear that once the Israelites had marched through the parted sea on dry ground, that the waters rushed back to completely engulf the doomed army of ancient Egypt.

With that in mind, many of the items being seen in the Gulf of Aqaba have been photographed by divers for comparison to the Exodus story.

One of the most spectacular items is what appears to be a wheel with metal exposed. Mary Nell says the wheel is covered with a gold veneer, to which coral has difficulty attaching. She says the gold wheel is still there, wedged so tightly in the bottom that it feels like it's been cemented in. Many other photographs show formations in a circular pattern with projections that could be spokes, but those items remain at the bottom and have not been authenticated.

Another issue is the route of the Exodus, and which body of water the Israelites crossed. Many travel maps and Bibles indicate a crossing point in the Gulf of Suez, the western branch of the Red Sea. But those may have to be updated if the Aqaba location is confirmed as the true location for the miraculous event.

"The truth is, no one really knows where the crossing of the Red Sea took place," says Carl Rasmussen, a biblical geographer and professor of Old Testament at Bethel College in St. Paul, Minn. Rasmussen compiled the "Zondervan NIV Atlas of the Bible" and personally thinks the crossing took place somewhere along what is now the Suez Canal.

Some scientists from Europe say the current maps are wrong, and the Wyatts are right – that the crossing began at the Nuweiba beachhead, went through the Gulf of Aqaba, and then into what is now Saudi Arabia where they claim the "true" Mount Sinai is located. For years, scholars have speculated as to the location of the actual Mount Sinai where Moses received the Ten Commandments from God. At least 13 sites have actually been claimed on the Sinai peninsula as being the correct spot.

But Ron Wyatt believed it was in Arabia, even referenced as "mount Sinai in Arabia" by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:25. So he and his sons made their way to "Jebel el Lawz," the mountain of the Law, which is known by the locals as "Jebel Musa" – Moses' mountain. Unfortunately for the Wyatts, they were arrested and held in prison. His wife says someone had phoned embassy authorities for the Muslim country, claiming that Ron was spying for Israel. They were released after spending 78 days behind bars.

Rasmussen doesn't agree with the Arabian Mount Sinai theory. "I believe the strongest candidate is Jebel Sin Bisher," he told WorldNetDaily. "The sites in Saudi Arabia have very, very weak scriptural backing, in spite of the hype."

Now, a new book by Cambridge University physicist Colin Humphreys titled "The Miracles of Exodus" supports not only the claim for an Aqaba crossing, but also the location of Mount Sinai in Arabia. "If my book is correct, and I believe the evidence is very strong," says Humphreys, "then world maps will need to be redrawn to relocate Mount Sinai. History books, travel guides and biblical commentaries will need to be rewritten."

Throughout his work, Humphreys provides scientific explanations to corroborate the accounts of the Old Testament. "'The waters piled up, the surging waters stood firm like a wall,' is a remarkable description of what the mathematics reveals to be the case for water pushed back by a very strong wind," he writes. "What I have found is that the events of the Exodus are even more dramatic than is generally believed," Humphreys said. "The Exodus of the ancient Israelites from Egypt really is one of the greatest true stories ever told."

A Swedish scientist who believes the Red Sea was split says while Humphreys is correct about the Aqaba crossing, there are no natural, scientific explanations for the parting miracle described in Scripture. Walls of water as depicted in 'The Ten Commandments' (Paramount Pictures)

"The wind did not separate the water," says Lennart Moller of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. "No person could be in that wind and survive. ... If God has created all the Earth, it's no problem for Him to separate the water for a while."

Speaking to WorldNetDaily from the isle of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, Moller, the author of "The Exodus Case," says the key in finding the correct route of the Israelites is to understand that the Hebrew reference to "yum suph" does not mean "sea of reeds" as many scholars have claimed.

Moller says it refers specifically to the Gulf of Aqaba, and while he's not formally affiliated with the Wyatts, he agrees with them that a host of other evidence can be found on the Arabian side of the water, including remains of the golden calf, pillars, altars and the even the rock the Bible says Moses split to bring forth water for the Israelites. Regarding the items found beneath the waters, Moller believes there are remnants not only of chariots and wheels, but also human and animal skeletons.

"There was a disaster [there] a long time ago," he said. "Whatever that is, it's open to interpretation."

He also notes that the downward and upward slope of the Aqaba crossing path actually falls within current U.S. standards for handicapped ramps. And while Mary Nell Wyatt warns overstating the claims by divers and authors could do more harm than good, she does believe there's a reason why her husband was led to discover what Ron called "God's attention-getters."

"God preserved all these evidences," she said, "[otherwise] there would have been nothing left. ... God has been lost today. Even Christians still can't believe this all happened. ... We need to pray for the Lord to help us get people to see it."

Back in England, Peter Elmer says people have mockingly asked "Why should a forklift mechanic from Keynsham be able to go to the same place Moses was?"

He takes the criticism in stride, pointing out "Jesus used fishermen, tax collectors and publicans. Why not a forklift mechanic?"

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The Miracles of Exodus: A Scientist's Discovery of the Extraordinary Natural Causes of the Biblical Stories http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060514043/terraspacedock


TOPICS: Apologetics; History
KEYWORDS: apologetics; archaeology; exodus; godsgravesglyphs; history; moses

1 posted on 10/30/2003 12:06:14 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
"Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea?"

Friggn' lucky they weren't parked overtime in NYC!!
2 posted on 10/30/2003 12:17:48 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: All
The WorldNet article also included links to three photos on the website www.wyattmuseum.com, of objects found in the Gulf. This is best of the three....


3 posted on 10/30/2003 4:13:21 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
I'm not sure what to make of Wyatt. A few years back, a friend and I went to hear him lecture and at first we were quite impressed, but as time went on and the more he talked, the more skeptical of him we both became.

He had claimed to be the one that found Sodom and Gomorrah, he claimed to be the one that found Noah's Ark, he said he was the one that found the Mercy Seat ? (It's been a while), and he and his son found these chariot wheels.

Since that time I had read an article here or there about him having some falling out with a previous 'exploration' partner.

Just my nickel's worth, just not too sure about him.

4 posted on 10/30/2003 4:39:05 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: truthfinder9
Oh please!

I have no problem with the account in Exodus, but this is not evidence. So they found a chariot wheel in the Red Sea? Was it signed by Ramses II and timestamped 1250 BC? Sheesh.

This isn't evidence of anything one way or the other.

While I don't have any problem with archaeology tending to confirm the Bible, which it always will, ultimately belief has to be based on something else.

Suppose it turns out that the wheel is 500 years too early or too late for the Exodus account? Do you stop believing in the Bible? Or pigheadedly insist on your "Biblical" dating of the wheel?

5 posted on 10/30/2003 5:28:58 PM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: Alex Murphy
Looks like stainless steel or aluminum. Pretty advanced metalurgy for 2000 B.C.
6 posted on 10/30/2003 6:17:25 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Whatever it is, it hasn't been in the sea very long. Encrusting life forms will completely cover most metals within a few years, and bronze and iron (the most likely candidates for chariot construction materials) almost immediately. There are no encrustations on the rim at all-in fact, both the rim and spokes appear to be brightly polished.

In other words, this is a modern artifact of some sort. It was probably deposited no more than a few months before the photo was taken.

7 posted on 10/31/2003 7:30:27 AM PST by jboot (Faith is not a work; swarming, however, is.)
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To: Salman
>Suppose it turns out that the wheel is 500 years too early >or too late for the Exodus account? Do you stop believing >in the Bible? Or pigheadedly insist on your "Biblical" >dating of the wheel?

Uh, no, braintrust. If it turns out to be authentic, then it is. If it doesn't, then it isn't. There are a lot of verified archaelogical evidences for the Bible, and ones that didn't turn out true.

Chirstianty is based on verifiable evidence and facts. If it wasn't, then the Bible would never have instructed us to "test everything."
8 posted on 10/31/2003 4:04:42 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: ET(end tyranny)
>I'm not sure what to make of Wyatt.

Yeah, he's a bit shady. That's why I perfer the more scholarly research of Humphreys:

The Miracles of Exodus: A Scientist's Discovery of the Extraordinary Natural Causes of the Biblical Stories http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060514043/terraspacedock
9 posted on 10/31/2003 4:06:53 PM PST by truthfinder9
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To: jboot
I'm not real sure what we are looking at in that picture. The 'shiny' rim or if the 'chariot wheels' are in the center of that shiny area. Sitting on what looks like an X.
10 posted on 10/31/2003 4:14:52 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: truthfinder9
I saw a show on natural causes for the disasters of the Bible. Very interesting show.
11 posted on 10/31/2003 4:17:12 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I'm not sure what to make of Wyatt....He had claimed to be the one that found Sodom and Gomorrah, he claimed to be the one that found Noah's Ark, he said he was the one that found the Mercy Seat ? (It's been a while), and he and his son found these chariot wheels.

Looking at his website, I was disturbed by that, too. Wyatt seems to have incredible luck for finding not just one or two, but seemingly ANY Biblical artifact he's standing near - even if he's not looking for it!

Had it been JUST one artifact, I might buy into his efforts. But this kind of activity costs lost of money, and I don't see any evidence of big sponsorship for his travels all over the world - nor do I see the kind of tangible results that win sponsors.

12 posted on 10/31/2003 4:32:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Athanasius contra mundum!)
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To: Alex Murphy
I think I went to his website years ago. By the time we left the church he was speaking at, I was glad to get out of there. He had lots of things on tables in the entryway for sale. The more he spoke, the less I accepted what he said. He had a piece of 'petrified wood' that he said came from the Ark. Like we could look at it and say, 'Yep, that's the Ark all right'! lol

But, yes, that was my impression, too. The it was nice that he was THE ONE to be fortunate to find so many significant artifacts, and in a relatively short time, too.

13 posted on 10/31/2003 4:46:34 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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To: truthfinder9
Uh, no, braintrust. If it turns out to be authentic, then it is. If it doesn't, then it isn't. There are a lot of verified archaelogical evidences for the Bible, and ones that didn't turn out true.

My point entirely. See what I said about archaeology always tending to confirm the Bible.

However, I have seen many instances of people obsessing on some shakey archaeological "proof".

14 posted on 11/01/2003 8:10:52 AM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: blam
Gee, golly, look! Above the chariot wheel is the petrified remains (in profile) of the Egyptian charioteer! ;') A few years back someone I know from another forum, using this Wyatt "evidence", showed me an online pic of another "chariot wheel" which was still on the axle and some feet above the sea floor. He asked me whether there is any information about the number of spokes used in pharaonic times. I talked him down. :')
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