Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
All that’s understood . . .
But couldn’t we just slap someone silly for general principles first?
LOL.
ROFLOL!!!!
I, personally, remember that one.
As usual, good job, Alex.
Agreed, I can certainly understand how the prospects of an exorcism or even St. Michael's Prayer could trouble some. That said there is no prohibition against the St. Michael's Prayer nor cause for one that I am aware of.
And, for the record, I did not raise this issue, and those who raised it did so with obvious impunity. I only responded to it.
That assertion has been proven extremely false repeatedly on FR.
No surprise the Vatican headquartered Ishtar-Mary Goddess cult would try to pawn such a falsehood off as truth, though.
My comment was on the picture.....only the picture, I’m an onlooker in this eye gouging contest.
No surprise you would try to denigrate the Church without actually investigating the actual teachings of the Church. I guess that for some their agenda is more important than the truth, but I wouldn't call such people Christians.
Trent merely ratified what had been effectively promulgated in Hippo and Carthage. The fact that the Church used these canons for the next 1100 years provides indisputable evidence notwithstanding the flawed anonymous article you referenced on a biased site.
The Inclusion of the books in the Hebrew Bible was settled 1100 years before Luther needed a change to justify his fanciful theories. Most objective historians, even the anti-Catholic secular humanistic ones, agree to this fact.
Suggest you focus on objective history and excise the fiction, accepting objective historical reality even when it contradicts your cherished opinions. The wording used by your site was careless in its choice of terminology and lacks the precision demanded in any instructional session. Be careful when copying from these sources as they lack the intellectual rigor to use precise terminology.
I just cannot believe you are STILL pressing this! Here's a hint that may just be what you are looking for, the term "Baby Boomers" is speaking of the generation born after the end of WWII. So people like me who were born in the 50s and grew up in the 60s and 70s, are called Boomers. Then there was Generation X, which followed the Boomers, the term generally includes people born in the latter half of the 1960s through the late '70s, sometimes as late as the early '80s, usually no later than 1981 or 1982. (link).
From the book Generations (ISBN 0-688-11912-3) (1991) is the first book by William Strauss and Neil Howe that describes a cyclical theory of history based on repeating generational archetypes. It examines Anglo-American history by dividing it into saecula, or seasonal cycles of history. A saeculum is about 90 years long - the length of a long human life - and is further divided into four "Turnings" that are about 22 years long - as long as the period between birth and adulthood. Children raised during a particular Turning share similar historical and cultural experiences, resulting in distinct generational types. The book suggests that interactions between generations explains why major crises occur roughly every 90 years (e.g. 1773 - 1861) and why spiritual awakenings similarly recur halfway between those crises. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_(book)
GENERATIONS
Lost Generation (1883–1900)
G.I. Generation (1901–1924)
Silent Generation (1925–1942)
(Baby) Boom Generation (1943–1960)
13th Generation (Gen X) (1961–1981)
Millennial Generation (Gen Y) (1982–2000)
New Silent Generation (Gen Z) (2001-)
Will this settle anything???
Thank you for that and dittos.
I disagree that there was no organized church in the NT.
Keep in mind that though the foundation is laid in the NT, the organization and such of the church has evolved over these two centuries.
Just the fact that there were letters written that were passed around and copied so that all the believers followed the same “creed” as it was shows that there was a conscience effort on the part of the Apostles to maintain unity of faith. Obviously it was not a single gathering of believers as the commission was to go into all the world and physically that was impossible.
But, the desire for unity was there, as was the choosing of men to lead the different communities of believers. Acts has them choosing deacons to administer what people are giving to the church for charitable works.
Paul stresses the different roles or functions and in the case of deacons and bishops the qualifications for those offices. Obviously as the numbers grew more organization was required.
Paul even admits that he brought to the Apostles the Gospel that he had been preaching “lest I should be working or have worked in a wrong way.” Gal 2
And it was Paul who asked that the collections be taken on Sunday so they would be ready when he came.
We speak again about two different things. The believers which are the body of Christ and, for want of a better word, the business side of the Church. The Apostles understood this and made it a part of their mission to appoint godly men as overseers of the faith and others to as types of administrators.
As I said, we are a long way from that seedling, the early church of just thousands. And though, (does it need to be said? Lol),I love being a part of an organized church, but I don’t limit my interactions with other Christians, nor my own personal search for God, to only that organization. I also understand why some would eschew it.
But, I believe the hierarchy and organization can be clearly seen in Acts and the Epistles.
Ah, not sure if I want to discuss Revelation anymore, ha ha.
I know this about it. That it is a very difficult book into which few dare to tread. Though I have read through it and have heard it read in church, it is not a book I spend a lot of time contemplating. NO!you say. Yes! It’s true, but I think I am not alone in that admission or omission as the case may be.
Now, our last conversation had me searching and like I said in that post, not everyone agrees on a lot of it. For example, the flood we were discussing. Some said it was a flood of heresies and some a flood of Jews in another diaspora and some were just “out there” bizarre. But, I run on and it really isn’t important now. I have embarrassed my self enough on that issue.
It may surprise you to know that the Church offers very little in the way of Catholic theology on Revelations. I think it is because the while the church is deeply concerned about eschatology, it is not concerned about trying to predict when the “end times” are which seems to be the driving force behind a lot of people’s interest in it.
When it comes to Scripture, the church is actually very lenient about the interpretation of most of it. It is not as if line by line the church says one is to believe this or one is to believe that. It think that may be because the church recognizes that there are many layers to most of the passages.
Where it concerns a core doctrine, interpretation is binding; things like the Trinity, the Incarnation, the passion, death and resurrection of Christ, the Bread of Life discourse, the Virgin Birth to name the biggies.
The woman in 12, the church says could be Israel, or the church or the Virgin Mary as all three have parallel attributes and sufferings. It makes no binding declaration regarding it.
Also, as mentioned I think before, the Mass as most Catholics know it is very similar to what John sees as heavenly worship. So, that is a good thing in Revelation.
The point is that while I understand what you mean about the use of the Lord’s Day for Sunday. I do believe it is because of the connection of the Mass and the heavenly worship and that Jesus comes to us in the Eucharist, body, blood, soul and divinity.
Dang! I almost missed that! LOL!
I have been duly corrected, thank you.
I hope there’s no great assumption that I care greatly about y’all’s labels.
Simply claiming salvation is not going to pass muster with the Judge. Imagine getting a traffic ticket and then claiming that the most righteous Judge in the Universe is going to let you off because you want it in spite of all of Scripture telling you the opposite?
And what will your account be? Something that somebody else did?
If you read Matthew 25, that recompense can be to be thrown in the outer darkness. This is what we believe; this is the Faith of the Church. Not some airy fairy story told by sugar pill pushers.
But now in this post you do a turnaround and say:
We have always understood that the Grace of God is freely offered to all men and that what Christ did is sufficient to claim all men from death.
At one point you seem to say we cannot depend upon another to pay our penalty, but then you claim - as "we have always understood" - that God's freely offered grace is sufficient through Christ's sacrifice to "claim all men from death", which means another paid our penalty. And y'all wonder why we question your Gospel?
But, I have had the good fortune of conversing with some here who have been gracious and kind to me.
We humans are an impatient lot, not always content to submit to God’s will in His time.
My own journey back was somewhat similar in that I had fallen into a deep agnoticism and found God pulling at my heart. After searching and prayer I found my self back in the Church after a more than twenty year absence from any relationship with God.
I see protestantism as a rudderless ship with no captain at the wheel. I believe they are sincere in their beliefs but I am happiest in the Barque of Peter as I see it as the vessel of calm in the stormy sea of faith and life.
True, I should never rely on my faulty memory. My mind was obviously on Mary and Scripture related to her.
But, I was mistaken and am “woman” enough to admit it.
No one loves a show off:)
It is something I have in common with you both. I LOVE to read, nearly anything and everything.
The one homework assignment I always loved as a kid was “definitions” or vocabulary as my kids know it.
The blasphemy is still against God, not Mary.
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