Posted on 12/16/2013 3:25:09 PM PST by NYer
Yes, in the Hellenistic world, Persians were considered Orientals. Once the Byzantine Empire fell, most Europeans considered the Middle East “Oriental.” “Orient” is derived from the Latin word for “East.”
Larry Moe and Curly or Manny Moe and Jack.
Most likely Hebrews from the Dispersion still living in Persia, or, “Beyond the river.”
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A letter written by the Synod of Jerusalem in A.D. 836 contains a story about an incident that occurred in A.D. 614 when the Persian army invaded the Holy Land destroying Christian Churches. When they came to the Basilica in Bethlehem, they refused to destroy it because of a mosaic depicting the Magi, which were dressed like them – Persians. In Persian writings in the Arabic Gospel of the Infancy, 7:1, there is a reference to the Magi (Wise Men), coming to Jerusalem to worship an infant born to a virgin, the son having power to raise the dead, and defeat the forces of evil.
Did the Wise Men come from Arabia? The Wise Men mentioned by Matthew are also mentioned in Isaiah 60:6 and Psalm 72:15, mentioning people coming from Sheba, a country of southwest Arabia bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the Lord.
Did the Wise Men come from Babylon? The Babylonians were noted astronomers, well ahead of their time, and studied the night sky intensely, and would have almost immediately noticed the appearance of the Christmas Star. There was a strong Jewish influence in Babylon due to their capture, and the fact that a number of Jews stayed in Babylon after the Exile in the 6th Century, B.C.
http://www.main.nc.us/graham/mcclung/Wise%20Men.html
We don’t really know. We don’t even know if there were just three of them.
That’s my take too.
That is because there is a very old tradition that one of them was black.
Probably the one from India.
Asimov’s Guide to the New Testament states that the Persian priests of the ancient Zoroastrian religion were called “magu”, which in Latin becomes “magi”. Sages and Holy men, it was at one time recorded that the first group of Magi attempted first to undermine Herod’s relationship with the Romans to topple him from his throne (to make way for the Christ) and that this backfired and proved to be the cause of the slaughter of the Innocents as recorded in the Good Book. Additional sources indicate that between the first group and second that there were Chaldean, Persian, Egyptian and Oriental sages represented. Some of the more ancient written papyrus documents that cover this material may be made available from the Vatican archives at the behest of scholars in the not too distant future, showing a link between the magi and the wife of Herod and the tragedy of the Slaughter of the Innocents more fully detailed.
Shemp and Curly Joe always get left out ...
I’ve seen that explanation as well. Daniel had been chosen to head the Magi order, and so they preserved his writings. His 70 Weeks prophecy told them when to look for the Messiah.
Israel sat on the border of the Roman and the Parthian Empires and Chuck Missler thinks that the Magi would have arrived as a large semi-military expedition from the Parthia.
Manny Moe and Jack are the Pep Boys
This is the "east" from which Abraham came, per Jewish tradition.
It is worthy of note that the Magi probably did not require translators and did not require another alphabet (as might have the Persians speaking the Parsi of that day); whereas those of upper Aram (from the northern Syria/Haran/Urfa table-land, center of Syria/Turkey border) would have spoken the Semitic Aramaic, and at least knew the Hebrew alphabet of the day.
Take a look at the area around Sanliurfa (Note the emphasis on "Ur"):
(More later)
I don't think so, because Hebrews of the Babylonian Shul would not have needed the Micah 5:2 reference. They would certainly have anticipated the Bethlehem location. But if they were Syran, they would not need a transltor, either; and id they were of the pre-Noah-origin wisdom, they might well be of the Padan-Aram location.
Hmmm...
According to the Bible, in Luke 1, Zacharias was the father of John the Baptist. No where in the New Testament does Zacharias send anyone to see Jesus.
In Matthew 2, it only says that when Jesus was born, there came three wise men from the East into Jerusalem.
Where did you get that information that Zacharias sent the wise men?
It looks like it came from the Urantia book. (See: Birth of Jesus. Part 7 - Jesus, babe of Bethlehem & The Urantia Book)
Personally, I would not consider the Urantia Book an authoritative source of Biblical information.
Thanks, I appreciate your intentions though I must confess that your comments regarding an authoritative source of Biblical information prompted a chuckle on my part because of their appearance on a thread that includes citations to various unnamed sources, a song, unattributed Greek etymology, an anonymous artist, and a variety of unsourced traditions; to say nothing of numerous references to the three stooges.
As for the Urantia Book, I have read much of it with a critical eye and at the end of the day I remain impressed by it’s scope, it’s detail, and it’s inspirational value. The Bible stands on its own, external sources can neither add to it nor detract from it. Our understanding and appreciation of the Bible’s contents can however, be enhanced by other works, be they scholarly, analytical, or anecdotal, and it is up to each of us to decide whether our understanding has, in fact, been enlarged by other sources or if we have been distracted and misled.
Enlightenment comes in many guises, often unpredictably. Gamaliel spoke wisely to his associates regarding the Apostles, “ ... if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought, but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.”
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