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It's The Sin, Dummy!
June 1, 2017 | Trad Bishop

Posted on 06/01/2017 12:12:01 PM PDT by Trad Bishop

In all my years in the priesthood, the topic of Fatima, as so many people like Fr. Gruner and the Fatima Crusader, and many other authors too many to count, have made the central focus on the Consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart with a close secondary focus on the Third Secret. Neither of which will get any body to Heaven. My priestly function and Jesus Christ's mission center on the salvation of souls. Therefore, the more important part of what Our Lady had to say to the three seers in 1917 at Fatima was just to one of them, Jacinta. She was the youngest and most innocent and yet Our Lady entrusted to her the most significant part of Her message. In a very direct fashion, She united Her mission to Our Christ's in talking about the salvation of souls, in saying to Jacinta: "The sins that lead more souls to Hell are the sins of the flesh" and "Fashions that will greatly offend Our Lord will appear".
Since Our Lady announced this in such a singular fashion, after having shown the three seers Hell, it should be Number One in focus.

I have been following the Posts of The Little Blue Nun with great interest. I have, at her urging, taken the time to look at the websites that seem to be connected to a group called Fatima Revisited. In my reading of everything that's there, some of my own frustrations from the confessional about people not having been taught from God's perspective about sins of the flesh were answered. I find most people to be much more reasonable in their approaches to God and His Laws when they understand their origins. Again, salvation of souls should be paramount!

I urge all to read the following excerpt of one of their Treatises called "Blood Moons Over Fatima, The Woman IV", which gives a very down to earth but not earthy explanation of the Original Sin, which is the progenitor of all sins of the flesh...whose author is Lucifer himself! I encourage you, as I did, to read them all and become friends with your Heavenly Father, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit instead of being the pawn of Lucifer when it comes to sins of the flesh.

You can find this at "The Witnesses are Here!
https://sites.google.com/view/thewitnessesarehere

"From all eternity, God had a purpose for the human race in general, and for each individual in particular. To the question: “Why did God make me? The Baltimore Catechism answers: To get to know Him, love Him, and to serve Him in this world so that I can be with Him in the next.” Without the 'original sin' putting a wall between us and our Creator, we would have had perfect knowledge of God's intent, and the 'heart' to want to fulfill it to the max. There never was any such thing as going overboard in our love or service to God; this was/is a contrivance of Lucifer. Thus, instead of us having a naturally warm and loving relationship with our God and Creator, we have an adversarial relationship as pointed up in St. Matt 5:25-6 where Jesus tells us...”Be at agreement with thy adversary (Jesus) betimes, whilst thou art in the way with Him: lest perhaps the adversary deliver thee to the Judge, (God the Father) and the Judge deliver thee to the officer (Lucifer) and thou be cast into prison....” The 'original' sin also therefore made it necessary for God to 'command' us to love and obey Him, and thus also, the necessity of the Holy Bible, and the Precepts of the Church etc. Our Heavenly Mother and Queen, having been born without the 'original' sin, has no barriers to Her Immaculate Heart in loving Her God; quite the opposite, you couldn't stop Her if you tried. Her role in Her Son's Passion in spite of the danger it put Her in,is truly a testimony to that love.

So, what is this 'original' sin and how is it that God imposes it's consequences on all who come into the world? We weren't there! We didn't commit that sin, whatever it is. How is it that the Blessed Virgin got to be without it and WHY?

“Now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you, that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? And the woman answered him saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it lest perhaps we die....” (Gen. 3:1~3)
“And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb”. (St. Luke 1:42)
...”And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a sign of the covenant between Me and you. An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock: And My covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant. The male , whose flesh of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he has broken my covenant (Genesis 17:11~14)
...”But she shall remain three and thirty days in the blood of her purification. She shall touch no Holy thing, neither shall she enter into the sanctuary, until the days of her purification be fulfilled. But if she bear a maid child, she shall be unclean two weeks, according to the custom of her monthly courses, and she shall remain in the blood of her purification sixty-six days. And when the days of her purification are expired, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring to the door of the tabernacle of the testimony, a lamb of a year old for a holocaust, and a young pigeon or a turtle for sin, and shall deliver them to the priest...” (Leviticus 12:4~6)
...”And Mary said to the Angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called Son of God.” (St. Luke 1:34,35)

Can you see the connection between these foregoing quotes? Each has something to do with conceiving and bearing a child. Can you see how the Church got Her teachings on sexual morality? (see also Tobias 6:16~18 and 8:9) God made a new covenant with Abraham to replace the one that Adam and Eve had broken. Read Genesis chapter 4 and see what fruit Adam and Eve bore from their womb by coupling like animals. Adam and Eve were made in the Image and Likeness of God, Genesis 5:3 says that their children were in Adam's own image and likeness...the sinful fallen creature. How did this occur? We can easily tell when we read in Gen. 2:25 that Adam and Eve were naked and were not ashamed. Then we can read in Gen. 3:7 that, after they committed the original sin: “And the eyes of them both were opened: and when they perceived themselves to be naked, they sewed together fig leaves, and made themselves aprons.” What areas of the naked body does an apron cover?! Why did they then hide from God? What were they ashamed of? Why did God have Abraham circumcise himself and all of the males, perpetually...for its “sign” value? Why did the woman have to suffer the monthly “curse” and have to be purified and offer a sacrifice for sin because she had a baby? She could not touch anything holy lest she cause it to be “unclean”. Anything that she touched while she was “in her flowers was “unclean” and so was any Levite who came in contact with what she touched! Why was the woman commanded to offer a sacrifice for SIN when the days of her purification were over? Our faith teaches us that Jesus didn't need to be circumcised, and Mary didn't need to be purified because they didn't have 'original' sin, but were simply fulfilling the law so as to give the example of obedience to the law and so as not to bring unwanted attention to themselves or Jesus by scandal. Do we need any more evidence as to what the 'original' sin was? Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost and therefore still did not know man! Jesus was incarnated by the Holy Ghost, and not by animal coupling.

We all come into this world by way of the act that was the 'original' sin, it is not imposed on us by God. In this we can see how heinous this offense was to our all loving God (they ate the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden!) and how profound it's effect was for man. It took man from being just a little bit less than the angels, (they have no sluggish, sensual body to drag around) to being only slightly higher than the animals; they could no longer have God's children through the Holy Ghost, or travel with the speed of thought in their spirits, now they were earthbound and subject to their own passions and concupiscences. How profoundly sad! Even sadder, is the fact that we haven't learned our lesson! We continue to commit the 'original' sin for recreation, in unbridled passion, to release tension, spilling the 'seed of life' on the ground, using birth control methods, with people of our same sex, and with ourselves. Instead of repenting, reforming, or at least using the act as the animals do...just for procreation, and only when the biology is right, we use it as though it was just a light dessert with some calories to burn off. And that does not begin to address the heinous way that we treat the 'unwanted' children that are generated in this now mostly indiscriminate act. It's a wonder that we are even here to talk/read about it, both from the preservation of the species and the Wrath of God perspectives! There are very, very few post-pubescent people in this world who can say that they have not stolen at least some part of the sensual pleasure of this act without the benefit of marriage, or if they are married, have misused and abused the marriage act in one way or another."


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; falsedoctrine; remorse; repentance; sin
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To: metmom
The Fall was a result of eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It was indeed. I forgot to mention, that my older sister told me, the teacher told their class that the original sin of Adam and Eve, was a sexual sin. She thought it was bunk, but that's what she was told.

21 posted on 06/01/2017 6:54:15 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Trad Bishop; metmom; Arthur McGowan

As I said to another FReeper in a private message, who the h-— is Trad Bishop, and who authorized him or her to pass off this heretical nonsense as Catholicism??

I have never said thus to a n00bie before, but I wish you would go away. By writing this rubbish as if it were doctrine, you are engaged in a most destructive fraud.


22 posted on 06/01/2017 7:23:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: Trad Bishop

You are really,really creepy.

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23 posted on 06/01/2017 7:27:15 PM PDT by Mears ("It takes a lot of clout to be a victim."---Joe Sobran)
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To: metmom

Metmom: cool your jets or redirect your fire. Thus rubbish about sex being a sin is not Catholicism.

Do not be misled by this impostor.


24 posted on 06/01/2017 7:41:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: Trad Bishop

What is your diocese? Are you a sedevacantist?


25 posted on 06/01/2017 7:42:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I never claimed it was Catholicism.

I have heard Catholics say similar things in the past, but I have never seen it in any official teachings of the church.


26 posted on 06/01/2017 11:37:04 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: cloudmountain
"But you are come to Mount Sion, and to the City of the Living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels, and to the Church of the first born who are written in the Heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the just made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the New Testament, and to the sprinkling of blood which speaks better than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22~24

Would you please my dear sister, keep me in your prayers along with the decision that I myself am praying over at this minute. And thank you, thank you, thank you.

27 posted on 06/02/2017 1:05:50 AM PDT by Trad Bishop
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To: Cvengr

What Christ did for us on the Cross was our Redemption. In the Old Testament redemption meant to pay the price to the Temple so that an animal could live and that man could use him. Jesus paid our redemption/sin debt so that our Eternal Father would not destroy us for having stolen His and His only prerogative as mankind’s Creator. Like that animal from whom service was required by it’s owner, or his owner might sell him as useless, we must, as St. Paul tells us, work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Redemption and salvation are two different things. Redemption was given to us for free by Jesus on the Cross. Salvation will be decided by how well we suffer our cross and keep His commandments. If we are quick to confess our sins before we die, then God will be quick to forgive us. If we don’t we will spend eternity in Hell. Once we have taken that last breath, the state of our soul at that moment will remain that way for all eternity, giving us eternal life or eternal death. We decide. We are not predestined to Hell.


28 posted on 06/02/2017 1:05:50 AM PDT by Trad Bishop
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To: Trad Bishop

We are not saved by works, lest any man should boast.

The Cross was Judgment.

Redemption is to remove us from the slave market of sin.

The animals purchased at the Temple were used in blood sacrifice to atone for sin, not to preserve the life of the animal.

Once you are reborn in the spirit, you have eternal life. If you doubt this, you lack faith in what He provided at the Cross.


29 posted on 06/02/2017 1:20:32 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Trad Bishop; metmom

Dear Traddy:

Stop adding specious texts from untested apparitions to the new Covenant.

It’s what false teachers are made of.


30 posted on 06/02/2017 1:33:33 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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To: Trad Bishop

Sexual hangups?


31 posted on 06/02/2017 2:58:36 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Trad Bishop
. Salvation will be decided by how well we suffer our cross and keep His commandments. If we are quick to confess our sins before we die, then God will be quick to forgive us. If we don’t we will spend eternity in Hell. Once we have taken that last breath, the state of our soul at that moment will remain that way for all eternity, giving us eternal life or eternal death. We decide. We are not predestined to Hell.

Salvation is by faith, not works in the least. Works are evidence of the changed heart and life, not a contributing factor towards salvation.

Here is what Paul says on it.

Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Ephesians 2:1-9 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

ARE saved. Present tense.

Already in heaven with God in the heavenly places.

32 posted on 06/02/2017 4:31:14 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Here's exactly what you wrote:

(FTA)"Jesus was incarnated by the Holy Ghost, and not by animal coupling."

(Your comment)"And Catholics wonder why people claim the Catholic church teaches sex is wrong and marriage is degraded.

"I rest my case."

That's insinuating that these repellent anti-sex and anti-marriage attitudes are linked to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Which they are not.

I rest my case.

33 posted on 06/02/2017 7:49:50 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: Scrambler Bob; Arthur McGowan
"Heresy and nonsense.

= = =>p> Shortened to Horse Sense."

Barnyard ethics.

34 posted on 06/02/2017 7:52:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's up is down, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: All
St. Matthew 7:13&14: "Enter ye at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in there at. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leads to life: and few there are that find it!"
Hebrews 5:1~4: "For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifice for sin: who can have compassion on them that are ignorant and that err: because he himself also is compassed with infirmity. And therefore he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. Neither does any man take to honor to himself, but he that is called by God, as Aaron was."

Any one who is familiar with Aaron certainly knows of the sins that the Bible tells us that Aaron committed. "But the things that are gain to me, the same that I have counted lost for Christ. Furthermore, I count all things to be but loss for the excellent knowledge of Jesus Christ my Lord; for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but as dung, that I may gain Christ: and may be found in Him, not having my justice, which is of the Law, but that which is of the faith of Christ Jesus, which is of God, justice in faith..." (Philippians 3:7,8,9)

Therefore, I come before you my dear brothers and sisters not as your accuser or judge, but as a fellow sinner who is still trying to fight the good fight. I'm simply trying to help you to do likewise and to remind us all that our prime objective is still to drain the swamp of our souls of anything that will keep us out of Heaven.

Our Lady at Fatima did NOT come up with anything NEW, but as a pupil of Jesus all during His private life. She reminded us of just what will keep us out of Heaven. Again, the primary reason why people don't find "the narrow gate" or find it closed, is for sins of the flesh, including: abortion, birth control, pornography, masturbation, adultery, etc. The following is a short list from Scriptures which all are indicated to be "sins unto death". In other words, if you die unrepented with these sins on your soul, you can't get into Heaven.

Leviticus 8:19,20. These all refer to sexual sins.
Genesis 18 & 19. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is obviously sexual sins.
Genesis 38. The story of Onan and even the story of Juda and Thamar: adultery, prostitution, and spilling of seed.
Job 31. Job made a covenant with his eyes.
St. Matthew 5:28~32. Adultery with the eyes and adultery otherwise.
Romans 1:24~32. Sins that will keep you out of Heaven, and verse 32 includes those that consent to those that do them.
Galatians 5:5,16~26, especially verses 19~21. These are sins that will keep you out of Heaven.
Apocalypse 22:14,15, especially verse 15.

All of these are accounted by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church as mortal sin. In the French language, 'mort' means 'Death'! Mortal combat is to the 'Death'. We are in mortal combat daily with the devil and we MUST take it as seriously as he does. It's not a time to play cute or clever with the Trad Bishop because he's just a man. As a Watchman, it is my vowed duty to defend, first of all, Christ, in His rightful concerns for your souls, for which He paid the ultimate Price of His Suffering and Death on the Cross. Secondarily, but in total agreement with His concerns, it is also my vowed duty to arm you in this mortal conflict in which I am down in the trenches fighting right along side you. For, Satan is OUR enemy, not just yours.

We must clear up the difference between 'Redemption' and 'Salvation'. In Exodus 13:12~16, Moses received the commandment from God concerning the first born male of animals and of men. A price was to be paid to the priest for each of the first born males of certain animals. Verse 13 specifically says ..."and if they do not redeem it, thou shalt kill it", concerning animals; and every first born of men "thou shalt redeem with a price." Thus we can understand why Jesus as our Redeemer is the First Born of Men. He died on the Cross as the Redemption Price for mankind. It had to be an unblemished lamb, and so, "the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world" became sin for us and our propitiatory offering to the Eternal Father. Obviously, if the redemption price was not paid for an animal, it had to be killed; and therefore was no longer of service to the human. Therefore, Jesus's death fulfilled the requirement of our sin debt to the Eternal Father and we are free and alive then to serve the Eternal Father. How we perform our service will determine our Salvation/eternal destiny. We are in charge of of own eternal fate. St. Paul tells us to work out our salvation in fear and trembling, and let us never forget that St. Paul's Tutor was Jesus Himself in the three days that St. Paul was in the 3rd Heaven. (2 Corinthians 12:1~9) And therefore his saying "work out your salvation in fear and trembling" supercedes those who say we're saved by faith alone just as Lucifer's "non servium" (I will not serve) got him and his fellows thrown out of Heaven.

Ezechiel 33:12&13: "Thou therefore O son of man, say to the children of thy people: the justices of the just shall not deliver him, in what day soever he shall sin: and the wickedness of the wicked shall not hurt him in what day soever he shall turn from his wickedness: and the just shall not be able to live in his justice in what day soever he shall sin. Yea, if I shall say to the just man he shall surely live, and he, trusting in his justice, commit iniquity: all his justices shall be forgotten, and in his iniquity which he has committed, in the same shall he dies." (Eternal) No sign of "once saved always saved" here, nor is there anything here regarding "faith alone", or that no works are necessary! After all, Martin Luther believed that even obeying the commandments were works!!

35 posted on 06/03/2017 1:10:53 AM PDT by Trad Bishop
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To: Trad Bishop

test... anyone there?


36 posted on 06/04/2017 4:00:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

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Nope!
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37 posted on 06/04/2017 4:02:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jim Robinson

Just got your email, and I’m here!


38 posted on 06/04/2017 5:10:22 PM PDT by Trad Bishop
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