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Why Was God So Angry At King David For Taking A Census? (or, why is data mining a sin?)
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Posted on 10/17/2018 10:39:44 PM PDT by Sontagged

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Had a discussion tonight about why it is evil for the State or corporations to data-mine us and store all our information on the "cloud" or a big computer somewhere... it is somehow related to the evil God saw in King David for numbering his soldiers and numbering and counting the people for a census.

To quote the article: "As to why God was angry at David, in those times, a man only had the right to count or number what belonged to him. Israel did not belong to David; Israel belonged to God...."

1 posted on 10/17/2018 10:39:44 PM PDT by Sontagged
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To: pastorbillrandles; Albion Wilde

Somehow have been equating the problem of companies and the government data-mining us with the sin of King David in numbering his people and soldiers...

Would be interested in your thoughts.


2 posted on 10/17/2018 10:42:41 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Sontagged

This would have been a sin of pride on King David’s part, a statement before God that these people were David’s. The devil wanted David to do it so he would sin. God permitted the devil’s desire to tempt David to show him where he needed to repent.

Does it carry over to representative republics such as the USA. I would say no it does not carry over directly for it depends on motive.


3 posted on 10/17/2018 10:46:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: Sontagged

When the time comes that all of the U S belongs again to God, then we’d all better mind our ps and qs.


4 posted on 10/17/2018 10:49:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Thanks that was an interesting and thoughtful response...


5 posted on 10/17/2018 10:54:12 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: BenLurkin

The only Christian analogy to the nation of Israel is the church, and that with some things transformed. Maybe churches that score how well they do by how many pew seats they fill, rather than how well the gospel is lived, might be an analogy here.


6 posted on 10/17/2018 10:58:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: BenLurkin
Pretty sure we need to be minding our p’s and q’s before the 2nd Coming/Armageddon/New Jerusalem/New Earth happens...!

Was recently marveling with a friend about how God showed the entire history of the world and the New Earth/God's Kingdom come to earth to King Nebuchadnezzar...

I always forget that He showed it to the formerly crazy old Nebuchadnezzar instead of Daniel! https://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/understanding-the-book-of-daniel/daniel-2/

7 posted on 10/17/2018 11:02:03 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Sontagged

Was never an “the end is near” type of guy until recently, and now the end seems to be very near.


8 posted on 10/17/2018 11:04:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

God showed that old Babylonian King in Daniel 2 just how it will all come down... with rejoicing.

The good guys win in the end!


9 posted on 10/17/2018 11:08:27 PM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Sontagged

The USs NOT Israel...We are not led by David....

Jesus fulfilled the Law. Live by grace


10 posted on 10/17/2018 11:14:04 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Sontagged

The Census wasn’t the problem. It is what he was trying to do with it, shoring up his support through favouritism.


11 posted on 10/17/2018 11:33:48 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cults.)
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To: Sontagged

Bkmk


12 posted on 10/18/2018 1:17:15 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Sontagged

Yet did not one of the first five books of the Bible, Numbers,did it not start with a census?


13 posted on 10/18/2018 2:55:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Sontagged

In articles like that, I wish the author would not go into which translations are correct and which are not. Use the King James and the the manuscripts used to translate that version of the Bible. They are correct and inspired, not any of the others, and then there will be no doubt as to who, in this case, moved David to take the census.


14 posted on 10/18/2018 3:56:49 AM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Sontagged

I always read it to believe that David was shifting his trust away from God and to his own military might — which was quantified by the number of fighting age men in his nation. Almost every other occurrence of a census in the Old Testament was about figuring out how many men you had on hand to decide if you should go to battle.


15 posted on 10/18/2018 4:26:36 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 - put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true)
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Was it pride (vanity) or a demonstrated lack of faith on Davids part that angered God?


16 posted on 10/18/2018 5:29:50 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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To: Clutch Martin

If “the reality is that God didn’t justify His actions with a reason, nor does He have to”, you’re talking about Allah of the Muslims, or you’ve fallen for the Muslim influenced error of Voluntarism. Truth is so close to God’s essence that in the psychological analogy of faith, Truth is the Eternal Logos, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. (The essential attributes of spiritual beings, whether men, Angels, or God, are to know and to will. The knowledge with which God knows Himself infinitely is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Eternal logos, the Eternal Word, Jesus.) It’s in Islam that God arbitrarily refuses to give His reasons, and is not bound by rationality. When Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, He said it in the context of coming into this world to Enlighten all men.


17 posted on 10/18/2018 6:03:43 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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It’s in Islam that God arbitrarily refuses to give His reasons, and is not bound by rationality.

Incorrect.

Read the Book of Job and learn.

God does not report to you.

FReegards!

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18 posted on 10/18/2018 9:07:28 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Biggirl
Yes and the people who were being counted had to pay something in order to avoid a plague.

I don't get it... which is why i posted. Someone pointed out to me that this website isn't the most reliable... but I just posted this because I wanted FReeper feedback...!

19 posted on 10/18/2018 10:03:53 AM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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To: Tell It Right

Yes, I agree with you... so somehow the number of people would give David a sense of self sufficiency or prideful importance, instead of a reliance upon God?


20 posted on 10/18/2018 10:05:44 AM PDT by Sontagged (TY Lord Jesus for being the Way, the Truth & the Life. Have mercy on those trapped in the Snake Pit!)
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