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To: MHGinTN

Yes, a thousand times and the first time I read it I thought as you do, that mary had other children.

Jesus had brothers and sisters is the only hint that mary had other children which is a false concept.

There is no hint other than that that mary had other children
but there are several scriptures that hints pretty strongly that she didn’t.

John 19:25-27 25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

The above scripture alone is enough to convince any one that Jesus was Marry`s only child.

not to mention the other scriptures I gave you.


688 posted on 08/10/2019 12:30:41 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

So what’s the big deal if Mary had more children?

Why does the thought that Mary and Joseph having a normal marriage that included sex and children throw Catholics into such a tail spin?


709 posted on 08/10/2019 2:27:31 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ravenwolf; MHGinTN
There is no hint other than that that mary had other children but there are several scriptures that hints pretty strongly that she didn’t.

And if all you have is hints then perpetual Marian virginity has no place being a doctrine. Moreover, there are not scriptures that hint pretty strongly that Mary never consummated a marriage, and it would be highly atypical that the Holy Spirit would not state this. For as said, the Holy Spirit characteristically notes exceptions to the norm, even among lesser figures. From extreme age (Methuselah), to excess size, fingers (Goliath), strength (Samson), speed (Asahel), sterility (Hannah), a celibate marriage (David and Abishag), prolonged celibacy (Anna), birth by a virgin (Mary), ascetic diet (John the Baptist), uncharacteristic singleness (Paul and Barnabas), and uncharacteristic duplicity of Peter, the surpassing grace and labor and suffering of Paul, the lack of genealogy of Melchizedek, etc., to Christ being sinless, which is mentioned at least thrice.

Note that marriage is described as two sexually becoming one (if fact, not intending to have children is grounds for annulment in RC law), and in regards to only known possible non-consummated marriage, the Holy Spirit was careful to state that in David did not "know" Abishag who ministered to him. (1 Kings 1:4)

And in contrast, we have the explicit statement that Joseph "knew her [Mary] not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (Matthew 1:25)(Mt. 1:25)

Here, true to form, in order for Catholics to argue for an exceedingly rare occurrence, they must resort to arguing for another exceedingly rare occurrence, that the Greek word for "til" (heōs) does not mean a terminus is inferred.

738 posted on 08/10/2019 4:10:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ravenwolf

No, the passage at Calvary shows that His brothers and sisters had turned away from Him as He drew the ire of the Sanhedrin. James IS THE brother of Jesus. Is James older or younger than Jesus? When you finish reading the entire Bible, perhaps you will have a different take on this issue.


752 posted on 08/10/2019 5:41:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ravenwolf
Yes, a thousand times and the first time I read it I thought as you do, that mary had other children.


NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, 
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.


784 posted on 08/11/2019 5:05:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
The above scripture alone is enough to convince any one that Jesus was Marry`s only child.

Uh; no - it isn't.

785 posted on 08/11/2019 5:06:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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