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Your briiliant pool of knowledge on this subject is quite fascinating and you should debate openly, perhaps at a college.

"From where I am standing the idea of special creation looks as quaint as the idea that God directly manipulates the weather."

We will carry this (endless) conversation on another time. Until then, enjoy the Spring weather an oh, please do not get hit by lightning!

Sorry, my typing fingers got ahead of my thought process on the last couple of sentences.

>> Man has meditated on (the galaxies) ever since he first LOOKED up into them and asked himself "What is that?"

Believe it or not; my brother, a close friend, and myself did have an ET encounter of the first kind. That was 35 years ago (good Lord!) and I still recall it vividly as if it were last night.

That experience is one of the reasons I as a Christian never shut anybody down for their respective views on science, creation, space travel and little things like that.

Thanks for a great conversation.

"Nothing in science has a higher status than theory (many laymen believe that laws are more certain, which is incorrect, laws are no more certain than theories and they have no explanatory power, unlike theories which are the goal of science)."

Do you also subsribe to the "Big Bang" theory?

Carbon dating seems to be an accurate science as does DNA testing. We don't really know how old the world is.

Somthing that has always amazed me is the dinosaur fossils and now some are coming out with theories the age of the dinosaurs was ended by the earth flooding.

I believe that once we take our last breath in this existence we have yet another existence in another dimension not contained or affected by time - eternity.

You still have an open mind and that is a good thing. Your curiosity of life and the orignins have life have led you into many searches for the answers of the meanings of these things.

Man has meditated on them ever since he first up into the galaxies and asked himself "What is that?"

"Yes, my wife has successfully produced offspring twice, using the ape semen that I produce."

Pictures? (of the resulting offsping, not the act)

"Why do you have no faith in evolution specifically? What is it about the evidence for evolution that you don't find compelling? Be specific."

The specific reason I have no faith in evolution is that evolution IMHO is still a theory and has not been proven to my satisfaction.

I know you probably do not believe in heaven or hell or a Heavenly Father or Satan's existence, but I have more faith that those things exist than I could ever have faith that I evolved from CroMagnum.

I respect your beliefs, they are just not my beliefs. I know many good people who are just like you are with good morals and scruples that I would never try to convince them otherwise, simply because I myself cannot do it.

"What do you think God created the other 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 suns (most with attendant solar systems) for?"

I must assume that you are either an agnostic or an atheist by reading your reasoning.

From your perspective thought, do you believe that there is intelligent life on other planets?

(I believe it.)

"Faith and science are butting heads."

I am not a Scientoligist, but I do believe in The Creator God.

There is just to much evidence that man was created in the likeness of God. Look at man's reasoning, intellect, conscience, will, and how he reacts to his environment.

Over all the other creatures in the world, none posess the powers that man inherently does.

That is not accident. God is the Greatest Scientist, IMHO.

"Make sure you have a firewall straight from God, because you could pick up something nasty."

Thank you for the (friendly) advice. That is good information and I am using Norton Internet Security firewall. The www is indeed a hostile zone.

"We are so fortunate to have abundant water, a protective Moon and a favorable orbit from the Sun. What 'charm' beguiled elements to combine in the primordial soup and sparked 'life'? Random selection?"

I don't think those are mistakes or accidents, do you?

From the page you referred to:

"You are an ape. Your tail is merely a stub of bones that don't even protrude outside the skin. Your dentition includes not only vestigial canines, but incisors, cuspids, bicuspids, and distinctive molars that come to five points interrupted by a "Y" shaped crevasse. This in addition to all of your other traits, like the dramatically increased range of motion in your shoulder, as well as a profound increase in cranial capacity and disposition toward a bipedal gait, indicates that you are not merely a vertebrate cranial chordate and a tetrapoidal placental mammalian primate, but you are more specifically an ape, and so was your mother before you."

That is comical to me, are you trying to get me to laugh?

A "kind" is a species. Yes, there are many variations of dogs, horses, zebras, mammals, etc., but I still don't believe I am an ape or that an ape can give birth to a human being.

Has that ever been tried? Has a female homo sapien ever been impregnated with ape semen and produced the missling link?

I have no faith in science when it comes to evolution and even the creator of that theory on his death bed took a moment of his last breaths to make sure the world knew that.

I know it.

"I asked what evidence outside the bible supports those beliefs."

If you mean what evidence that man was created instead of evolving from another speices outside of the Bible, I would just have to ask you to look into the closest mirror.

Was your greatest grandfather an ape? Mine wasn't.

I lost interest in Mr. O Reilly's show because he always is so bombastic in his approach to people like a real "know it all" if you know what I mean.

I do enjoy Sean Hannity and Tony Snow and listen to them on the radio as I commute to work. They seem to stay on top of the issues without offending half the world at the same time.

I notice the subject of the illegals has not missed the attention of at least one other person who likes this posting forum.

Here is a guy (or lady) who mentions free republic on this rather heated page here "la_migra_deport_u" is talking about a bust just today that involved the arrest of 375 gang members in the past two weeks:

http://www.cosaonline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2600&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

" Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende."

I went to the NewsMax site that went along with that message you posted and it was dated in the year 2000.

It was true six years ago and it is true today. But why does S. America and why do the illegal at COSA in their forums belittle the President and the Republicans so much, especially since they have done so much to try and protect them and bring them amnesty?

"Sounds like another DU site ALLGoodMen and that place turns your stomach."

Yes, it is troubling. I was just watching the news of the 100,000 rally in Chicago of the immigrants wanting their legal status. This is a very strange thing how someone who is not a citizen can openly rally to demand they be given citizenship rights. I just don't understand that.

Anyway, here is one of the pages I replied in trying to defend our President on:

http://www.cosaonline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2437&start=20

Here is a common statement over there about the President and Republicans in general:

(I had to blank out a word.)

"It is strange considering it is Republican xxxxx in House who got this bill passed making us felons. Maybe its a grand scheme to get a guestworker program in there by making the House bill too radical and subject to major amendments."

"The Mexican border is the new favorite for Islamic sleepers to sneak across as hispanics. Most FReepers would know that."

I can see I have much to learn about the freeper thing. I'm not really politically motivated, I'm just concerned about national security and yes, also the threat of terrorists. Also, the problem with illegal immigration I would consider a threat as well. Perhaps not as direct as the terrorists are, but there is going to be serious problems I think because of the sheer numbers, plus the danger of terrorists taking advantage of all of this confusion.

I'm not sure what all those graphics are about. Isn't the man one of Saddam's former information ministers?

"Now, one question, are you an illegal and a member of that forum? This is part of the vetting process and you must answer truthfully{;>)"

I was rather surprised by the amount of replies already to this article. I had no idea it would do that.

To answer this question, I surely am not an illegal and as I said I will be going over there to find out what is going on. It appears there is a lot of movement underfoot to undermine the President and from what I can get out of it that is what they are doing.

Here is some more off of that same page. They do not seem to think very highly of the President, I would say.

http://www.cosaonline.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2540

"With rep/dem issues aside, you can't deny the fact that it's better to have a president who support the Dream Act (Kerry) then to have one that doesn't (Bush.)"

"I believe that we should make it a law that before any new law is passed, two laws have to be stricken from the Legal Code. Progress through elimination!"

That would be a great step in the right direction I think. The problem is who follows the law these days? On any given road in the country, 90% of the drivers are breaking the speed limits.