Arafat's cover is now truly blown

The Ottawa Citizen ^ | 4/2/02 | David Warren

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

ping!

[veronica]

I think the value in this article is that explains what Israel is doing now - to build the case that will lead to the end - for Arafat. Maybe that cannot happen yet, though, until we hit Iraq. What do you think?

[veronica]

In short, for Israel there is no substitute for victory. Only after a strong military victory does a generous peace treaty become possible, as the U.S. granted the defeated Germany and Japan after victory in World War II.

I totally agree with this BTW. This is what Rush Limbaugh says and has been saying every day now.

[section9]

See that's the problem. Bush has this pipe dream of an Arab coalition to fight Iraq. And thinks that he will get it if he does something about Israel.

Bollocks. Bush knows he can't count on the Arabs. Bush is figuring on four countries: Israel, Turkey, the U.K., and ourselves. That's all he needs. We are NOT about the business of rebuilding the Coalition.

But he deosn't get it. They don't give a crap about the Palestinians, in fact most of those countries killed Palestinains or drove them out of their own countries.

Of course he does. His going on about a "Palestinian State" is so much agitprop. After Iraq is conquered, the political conditions on the ground will change.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[xm177e2]

I believe the U.S. and Israel are presently negotiating with Morocco for a place to send Yasser Arafat (other than to hell). The Bush administration has -- after Vice-President Dick Cheney was effectively spat in the face by Mr. Arafat upon offering to meet him in Cairo -- finally written Mr. Arafat off. The problem now is what to do with him that will cause the least excitement in the Arab world, and what kind of self-administration can be established by the Palestinians once he is gone.

When did Cheney make that offer?

[Steve Eisenberg]

I think the value in this article is that explains what Israel is doing now - to build the case that will lead to the end - for Arafat. Maybe that cannot happen yet, though, until we hit Iraq. What do you think?

Thanks for the compliment of asking my opinion. Really, I don't know, but I suspect that there's little connection between Israel's current war with the Palestinian Authority and America's apparently coming war with Iraq. It is true that Israel is under U.S. pressure to not push for victory too hard until after our Iraq D-Day. On the other hand, pressure on Israel from overseas democracies to act weakly is always present. Plus, there's always pressure from Egypt (and maybe Jordan) that if Israel goes too far, they'll break their peace treaties. It's also important that Israel not offend Turkey, its crucial Moslem ally. Then there's the constant pressure of the big Israeli left. You did know a lot of Jews are liberals, didn't you :-)

All these factors mean that there never is a good time for Israel to make preemptive strikes. Out of office right wing politicians, like Netanyahu, claim that if only they were in office, things would be different. Not really true. It is always tough for a democracy to mobilize properly for war. The U.S. is a little different in that we put up with a bit less than most other democracies. This is why we are, despite the one terrible day of terrorist success last September, are safer than most.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Connections between the Palestinian Authority and international Islamist terror organizations, including al-Qaeda, are being established, chapter and verse.

Oh please let this be true! If so, maybe arafart can star in the new movie "Running from Miss Daisy Cutter." :-D

I just don't understand why President Bush said that arafart is not a terrorist. I tried calling the White House all day, but the switchboard was constantly busy. Hopefully lots of people were as pissed off as I am.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

On this scale, it must be assumed that the IDF will go through the entire West Bank and Gaza, rounding up suspects, weapons and documents in the most thorough clean-out of terrorist nests yet attempted.

About time.

[Roger_W_Isom]

What I want to see is HITLERARY face when her OVERSEAS BANK ACCOUNT NUMBERS are Given on FOX!!!!!! Now that would TRUELY be PRICELESS!!!! ROFLMAO on THAT MOMENT You can say BYE BYE HILLARY!!!! :-)))))

[ladyinred]

What is so satisfying to me is that no country wants Arafat and his terrorists, not even the Arab ones! They kicked them out in the first place long ago!
I hope this is the end of the murderer.

[Roger_W_Isom]

By FAVORITE place would be simply SHIP THE BASTARD TO SAUDI ARABIA and let the TRAITOR CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH DEAL with the SCUM!!!!

[HockeyPop]

It was part of a campaign within the campaign of suicide bombings: the Palestinian militias doing everything in their power to recruit Israeli Arabs, and to strike in ways that will polarize the two communities. The intention is to force Israel to turn against its native Arab population, in the hope of further radicalizing that community and, ultimately, creating a fresh refugee crisis. An interesting and intriguing dynamic at play.

[malakhi]

Good article. Thanks for posting it.

[liberalism=failure]

I see. W, with all of the intelligence of the United States at his disposal and the finest foreign policy minds available as advisors, doesn't get it, but you, writing here on an anonymous Internet forum, do.

Its not about that, its because I'm not playing a stupid game of political manipulation. And he is.

Bush says that Arafat is a force for peace

Is that right? Do you agree with Bush that a guy who has 400 wanted men in his compound, grenades, the same bombs suicide bombers use, rifles, mortars, who is connected to the arms shipment from Iran, is a force for peace.

Well, he's not. Fact. I don't need to be the head of the frigging CIA to know that.

But if you want to be a blind sheep who says: "my party, my president, right or wrong" you go right ahead. But I won't because that's not conservatism, that's what liberals do. Shame on you, open your eyes fool.

[liberalism=failure]

Gee - Maybe US Intelligence should hire you! You're obviously smarter than they are and by your claim, Bush is too stupid or his advisors are too stupid, to advise him. It's REAL SIMPLE ISN'T IT?!? Any idiot should know the solution.

The solution first to every problem is to tell the truth. Any person who can read the above article would know that Arafat is not a "force for peace". Yet Bush told us that just yesterday. He told us that even though he knew it wasn't true.

Furthermore I don't need Colin Powell around to know that Islam is not a "religion of peace" but our president also tells us it is.

Bush is certainly better than any democrat, but I still resent being lied to myabe you people don't mind Clintonian behavior as long as the guy doing it has an (R) by his name, but I do!

if you sheeple want to say "my president right or wrong" no matter what nonsense he says you go right ahead, but we intelligent people know when we are being lied to, and we don't like it. Wake up moron.

[Catspaw]

Well, you've got to consider the source when it comes to ak47fred:

To: sinkspur

>>lewrockwell.com is a Western Al-Qaeda outpost.

LRC is one of the true voices of sanity on the web.

15 posted on 3/21/02 7:32 PM Pacific by ak47fred
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[liberalism=failure]

Bush knows he can't count on the Arabs. Bush is figuring on four countries: Israel, Turkey, the U.K., and ourselves. That's all he needs. We are NOT about the business of rebuilding the Coalition.

He can get those countries behind him without lying about what Arafat is. There's no need for it.

Of course he does. His going on about a "Palestinian State" is so much agitprop. After Iraq is conquered, the political conditions on the ground will change.

Its not about that. Its about lying. And saying that Arafat is force for peace is a lie that hurts good people (the Israelis that Arafat helped murder and their families) for no good purpose.

Granted Bush is better than any democrat, but his conduct in this matter is terribly disappointing.

[mathurine]

We are, as a society, fascinated by ethnic firsts. Arafat would be a marvellous candidate for the first septuagenarian palestinian astronaut launched to explore the milky way.

[section9]

And saying that Arafat is force for peace is a lie that hurts good people (the Israelis that Arafat helped murder and their families) for no good purpose.

Not to split hairs, here, but I believe that all that Bush has said is that Arafat has negotiated in the past, so we can deal with him. We have not absolved him of responsibility for the present slaughter, nor have we indicated that we will negotiate with him directly in future.

Bush isn't lying. He just doesn't want to give the game away.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Robear]

What I've said all along: what Arafat needs is a bullet in the brain. I'll do it, just get me the hell out of there afterwards.