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Policeman Suspected as Shooting Spree Kills Five
yahoo news ^ | April 10, 2002 | staff

Posted on 04/10/2002 4:58:46 AM PDT by RogueIsland

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To: RogueIsland; donut watch
I for one can not wait for the New Jersey legislatyre to respond to this crime. They will enact some further legislation disarming more NJ citizens. The only way some of these people would have survived this was by shooting in self defense but that is not an option in New Jersey.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

21 posted on 04/10/2002 6:12:16 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: RogueIsland
a member of the Seaside Heights SWAT team,

It will probably be ruled a good shoot. Soon some of the usual trolls will show up here defending this and calling you a cop basher...

22 posted on 04/10/2002 6:21:19 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: RogueIsland
Police: NJ Cop Kills 5 Neighbors

The initial shootings happened about a mile from the street where a retired police officer is accused of killing four people in February.

John E. Mabie is charged with four counts of murder for killing his granddaughter and three neighbors on Feb. 21 as he went from house to house shooting a .39-caliber revolver.

A .39 caliber revolver? Another cop in the same neighborhood on a killing spree? Gee, they sure no where to find those that are unarmed, unable, and unwilling to defend themselves.

Of course, had one of the neighbors actually defended themselves and ventillated either of these psychos, the cops would have riddled their homes and bodies with bullets before spending the next month praising the brave police officer who was shot down by a psycho neighbor.

What a world we live in.

23 posted on 04/10/2002 6:29:13 AM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: ppaul
Toms River, not that big - two recent shootings like this! Is it something in the water?

Probably. But we should be asking, "Why does every tin-pot, small town in America need a SWAT team?"

The hell it's not (big, that is)! Toms River itself is basically just the downtown area of Dover Township, which has 80,000+ people in it. Dover Township has the second-largest municipal police department in the state, if I remember correctly.

And also bear in mind that this latest shooting did not take place in Toms River, it took place in Seaside Heights, which is a tourist town to the east, on the beaches.

My father retired last year from Dover Township PD as a lieutenant after 33 years. He was in charge of the Emergency Services Unit (i.e., SWAT team), was an experienced hostage negotiator, he trained their snipers, and was an instructor at the county police academy. You'd be surprised at how often ESU is legitimately called out to respond to emergencies. And not once in its history have they ever shot anybody!

Bottom line: the police in Dover Township are very professional.

The only fatal shooting in the force's entire history occurred about 3 or 4 years ago, when a guy fired several shotgun blasts at two officers, who repeatedly told him to drop the weapon and surrender (he'd already wounded another person). It was basically a suicide-by-cop, and he was determined to die.

Most of the cops in Seaside Heights are part-timers, not full-time professionals, because the town is largely deserted from October to late-April. I actually had a teacher in high school that had been a part-time cop there when he was younger. I'm not denigrating Seaside PD, but as my father has said, a lot of cops today are too quick to shoot.

However, in this case, this was just plain murder, of which anybody is capable, whether they're a cop or not.

24 posted on 04/10/2002 6:29:47 AM PDT by JMK
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To: Wm Bach
Policing is a crapy, stressful job in which you must deal with the worst elements of society on a daily basis.

Please don't take the fact that I posted this as an implied criticism of cops. A good friend of mine is an ex-cop, and you couldn't pay me enough to deal with the garbage he dealt with on the job. The post was meant to illustrate the fallacy of the "only cops and soldiers are emotionally capable of owning firearms" argument.

25 posted on 04/10/2002 6:31:05 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: JMK
The hell it's not (big, that is)! Toms River itself is basically just the downtown area of Dover Township, which has 80,000+ people in it.

LOL!
And, they need a friggin' SWAT team?!!
Gimme a break.

26 posted on 04/10/2002 6:46:39 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: JavaTheHutt
A .39 caliber revolver?

One of the local news babes down here on TV kept talking about a "25 millimeter hand gun" during a story on airplane cockpit saftey doors. I do not think I would want to be holding that sucker when it went off.

27 posted on 04/10/2002 6:53:02 AM PDT by Random Access
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To: ppaul
Yeah, they do!
28 posted on 04/10/2002 6:56:04 AM PDT by JMK
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To: JavaTheHutt
Police: NJ Cop Kills 5 Neighbors

I stand corrected with regard to my location comments in #24; I was going by the information in the thread story...

29 posted on 04/10/2002 7:00:38 AM PDT by JMK
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To: Moonmad27
Toms River, not that big - two recent shootings like this!

I live 1/2 hour north of there, and I have a summer house across the bay from them in Seaside Park. Not defending TR nutjobs, but Toms River is much bigger than you are projecting, and the population keeps growing. Any town with 3 "A" Division (highest enrollment) high schools (TR North, TR South, TR East) is not exactly Mayberry.

That being said, they are all a little wacky down there.

30 posted on 04/10/2002 7:07:30 AM PDT by Cable225
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To: JMK
No they don't!
31 posted on 04/10/2002 7:07:47 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: ppaul
But we should be asking, "Why does every tin-pot, small town in America need a SWAT team?"

As I said earlier, TR is not exactly a tin-pot town. And a reason for the SWAT team is the drug trafficing industry in Seaside Heights.

Having said that, I'm not defending it, but I just wanted to give some of you out-of-staters a little insight.

32 posted on 04/10/2002 7:10:31 AM PDT by Cable225
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To: Cable225
TR is not exactly a tin-pot town.

Yes it is.
I've been there.

33 posted on 04/10/2002 7:13:19 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: JavaTheHutt
A .39 caliber revolver?

From the movie "Mr. Mom": ".38, .39, whatever it takes."

34 posted on 04/10/2002 7:19:47 AM PDT by aomagrat
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To: banjo joe
I personally know a couple swat guys - and they're ticking time bombs.<

Whenever I see one of those guys I get the creeps. Cops should not be pretending they are in the 82d Airborne and fantasizing that we are the enemy.

35 posted on 04/10/2002 7:23:26 AM PDT by arm958
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To: RogueIsland
a member of the Seaside Heights SWAT team, was still armed and believed dangerous...what do you have to do to be considered actually dangerous?
36 posted on 04/10/2002 7:34:03 AM PDT by RWG
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To: RogueIsland
MSNBC reported he's been found, dead, in his car.
37 posted on 04/10/2002 7:39:06 AM PDT by csvset
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To: ppaul
When? The Sixties? You're right, it was at the time. It's had explosive growth since then though...
38 posted on 04/10/2002 7:39:19 AM PDT by JMK
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To: Fred Mertz
And why not? Why shouldn't they be able to protect their own citizens in time of need? Like I said in an earlier post, they're called out a lot more than the headlines reflect...
39 posted on 04/10/2002 7:44:08 AM PDT by JMK
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To: csvset
Good news.
40 posted on 04/10/2002 7:55:40 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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