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Bill would keep U.S. out of world court
WND ^ | 4/12/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

A Texas lawmaker has drafted a bill that would ban the United States from participating in the newly formed International Criminal Court.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is set to introduce "The American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002," which he said "repudiates ICC jurisdiction over American citizens." The bill essentially provides that "the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States," said a draft copy obtained by WorldNetDaily.

Paul said his bill seeks to protect "American citizens against the ICC by urging President Bush to rescind the foolish Clinton administration signature of the ICC treaty." It would also ban "the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the court, and deems ICC actions against U.S. servicemen acts of aggression against America," said a statement issued by Paul's office.

"The ICC is completely illegitimate, even under the U.N.’s own charter," Paul said.

"We characterize this legislation as a counteroffensive at this point," Jeff Deist, a spokesman for Paul, told WorldNetDaily. "Congressman Paul has many findings in the bill that lays out the case against the legitimacy and authority of the (ICC)."

Among them, said the Texas lawmaker, is the fact that the world body's "charter gives neither the U.N. General Assembly nor any other U.N. agency lawmaking authority."

"In other words," he continued, "there cannot be U.N. 'laws,' and there is no valid law authorizing the establishment of the ICC. The ratification of the ICC treaty, whether by 60 nations or 1,000, does nothing to give the court any legal authority whatsoever."

The bill notes that that under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, "no nation may be bound by a treaty to which that nation has not consented."

"Therefore the United States, which has not consented" to the ICC "cannot be bound" by its terms, the bill says.

It notes that the ICC is "wholly unauthorized by the Charter of the United Nations." And, it says the ICC statute "also contravenes the principle of government only by the consent of the governed," which is "enshrined in the American national charter, the Declaration of Independence."

The ICC's authority, the bill notes, circumvents U.S. constitutional "principles of separation of powers, federalism and trial by jury that are guaranteed" to Americans.

The ICC "by design and effect, is an illegitimate court," the bill states.

Paul thinks the world court could be used as a tool against the global interests of the U.S.

"The ICC, like the U.N. itself, will be used for political purposes," he said. "Far from being neutral, the court will serve as a weapon against disfavored nations and leaders. Given the anti-American sentiment that pervades the U.N., we can only assume that the court will be used one day to prosecute Americans who offend our many enemies among U.N. member states."

As WND reported, the world court was officially instituted yesterday at the U.N.'s New York City headquarters. According to its charter, the ICC is a permanent tribunal established ostensibly to prosecute "crimes against humanity." Clinton signed the treaty on his last day in office, Jan. 20, 2001, but it has never been ratified by the Senate. But as late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of the former president.

Deist confirmed that Bush has talked of finding a way to withdraw Clinton's signature, but he said talk in Washington is sometimes cheap.

"The ICC cannot exercise legitimate jurisdiction over American citizens," Paul said. "Furthermore, the Senate cannot constitutionally ratify any treaty that attempts to surrender the judicial function to an international agency. Our Constitution guarantees every American citizen various rights before, during and after a criminal arrest and trial, and no valid treaty can deny our citizens those rights."

Deist told WND that the bill is similar to legislation introduced in the House and Senate last summer, but that the Texas lawmaker's bill "is more zesty."

He also said the measure had garnered at least 15 co-sponsors by midday yesterday but it is so new that it has yet to be assigned a number.


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To: Ff--150
Yes, I certainly hope that W keeps his promise. Sometimes a person's word is all they have, and to some, that is more precious than gold.
101 posted on 04/12/2002 2:09:37 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Stopped listening to Rush a year ago. He has lost touch. To bad he doesn't use his radio influence to get bills like these passed, instead of just yapping about them.
102 posted on 04/12/2002 2:14:59 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; SKS Snajperi;davidosborne
Tonk,

It sounds like a bunch of wanna-bees read a few books by Capt Richard "Dickie Doom" Marcinko!!

I was a regular type squid, OS2 and I can answer any qualifiying questions!!!

103 posted on 04/12/2002 2:15:40 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Milosevic's rights should be defended more so. Its easy to defend that which is popular. A true dfender of a person's rights defends even those that you find offensive. Like I said, you are not a deep thinker and your patriotisim is skin deep.
104 posted on 04/12/2002 2:18:49 PM PDT by Spar
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
What if your nakesakes weren't there and Algore---ARGGGHHHH!!! Yeah, methinks W word's Good :)
105 posted on 04/12/2002 2:19:47 PM PDT by Ff--150
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; SKS Snajperi
The closest I came to Spec/Op types was getting really drunk with some EOD types in Golcuk, Turkey!!

Ironically enough, a few years later "the ultimate Spec/Op Warrior" made Golcuk nearly disappear...

his name is God and it was an earthquake that put that city into the sea!!

106 posted on 04/12/2002 2:26:44 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: Spar
"Milosevic's rights should be defended more so."

So everyone else on this thread is wrong except you and SKS Snajperi?
mmmmmmm
interesting
only 2 commie defenders on the whole thread
107 posted on 04/12/2002 2:43:45 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Ff--150
LOL! How true ;o)
108 posted on 04/12/2002 2:45:40 PM PDT by 4CJ
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To: Spar
"Like I said, you are not a deep thinker and your patriotisim is skin deep."

Only you and SKS Snajperi have attempted to slander my character on this thread.
Again everyone else is wrong and you 2 are the only ones who are right.
mmmmmmm
interesting
109 posted on 04/12/2002 2:46:39 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Hi Tonk. Things are slow around here. My Flotilla is down to (1) boat so I haven't been patrolling.
I'm concentrating on VetsCoR nowadays.
110 posted on 04/12/2002 2:47:23 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: SKS Snajperi;sneakypete
A word of warning: The folks on this board don't take kindly to wannabes. If fact, we have a habit of busting them...one even had to do community service.
111 posted on 04/12/2002 2:51:07 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Spar
"A true dfender of a person's rights defends even those that you find offensive."

Please enlighten me and show me where President Reagan ever defended a commie.
Or do you believe President Reagan was not a defender of peoples rights?
112 posted on 04/12/2002 2:53:47 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: A Navy Vet
"Things are slow around here. My Flotilla is down to (1) boat"

We've got 4 boats up here.
I know spend every Tue in the radio room on the Coast Guard base finishing my training
and starting this Sunday on boat patrol on an Auxiliary boat.
Been out on the regular Coast Guard boats a few times.
They have been pretty busy up here rescuing fishing boats that broke down.
One was 30 miles off shore.
113 posted on 04/12/2002 2:58:36 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: MissAmericanPie
Executive Order 13112 dealt with "invasive species".

Although clinton signed the globalists' Biological Diversity Treaty (Agenda 21), the Senate has never ratified it and never will. The UN does NOT have any "control" over American soil. All they have are some feel good, we-are-the-world signs in some places and an ear to whine to. That said, we must be ever vigilant cuz God knows they keep trying.

114 posted on 04/12/2002 3:17:33 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet;sneakypete;Nitro;Travis Mc Gee;SKS Snajperi
Here's SKS Snajperi quote about training Special Forces

From his post 98 on THIS THREAD
"You didnt know htat I showed this SF unit how to look for
and how landmines were planted for the SFOR deployment, did you? "


He still can't rememebr where, when and what Special Forces units he trained for Bosnia.
115 posted on 04/12/2002 3:22:39 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Spar;FireWall;SKS Snajperi
Your buddy, SKS Snajperi has gotten in above his head.
Other vets are onto him about his lies.
Be a pal and help him out.
116 posted on 04/12/2002 3:27:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
He must have survived the STOMP school of mine clearance!!

As a squid, I would call an EOD man...

but the Army and Marines would wait on a Combat Engineer!!

117 posted on 04/12/2002 3:29:25 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: MissAmericanPie;A Navy Vet;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I said that I can find no information on Bush's position on global taxation. An article right here on FR is my source for his refusal to reveal his position and the 4,000 letters from concerned activists.

And have you any support for your silly claim that "The U.N. has joint control of 75% of our government held land, they have to be consulted as to when, if, and how it can be used."

118 posted on 04/12/2002 3:29:58 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: bob808;Spar
Spar, I'm trying to help you here.
No one but SKS Snajperi is helping you defend commies.
bob808 just posted on another thread he is upset that a commie killed himself yesterday.
Maybe he'll help you.
IF he does then it would be 3 whole FReepers on this thread that agree with you.
119 posted on 04/12/2002 3:44:05 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: VA Advogado
I just did some research on the net...seems Biological Diversity Treaty was never ratified. Clinton's signature doesn't mean squat. It's just hollow feel good stuff to appease the globalist environmentalists. On the other hand, there is a definite danger from our own federal government concerning property rights!

UC Davis Report
Biological Diversity Treaty

120 posted on 04/12/2002 3:45:35 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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