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Bill would keep U.S. out of world court
WND ^ | 4/12/02 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/11/2002 10:05:23 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

A Texas lawmaker has drafted a bill that would ban the United States from participating in the newly formed International Criminal Court.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is set to introduce "The American Servicemember and Citizen Protection Act of 2002," which he said "repudiates ICC jurisdiction over American citizens." The bill essentially provides that "the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States," said a draft copy obtained by WorldNetDaily.

Paul said his bill seeks to protect "American citizens against the ICC by urging President Bush to rescind the foolish Clinton administration signature of the ICC treaty." It would also ban "the use of U.S. taxpayer funds for the court, and deems ICC actions against U.S. servicemen acts of aggression against America," said a statement issued by Paul's office.

"The ICC is completely illegitimate, even under the U.N.’s own charter," Paul said.

"We characterize this legislation as a counteroffensive at this point," Jeff Deist, a spokesman for Paul, told WorldNetDaily. "Congressman Paul has many findings in the bill that lays out the case against the legitimacy and authority of the (ICC)."

Among them, said the Texas lawmaker, is the fact that the world body's "charter gives neither the U.N. General Assembly nor any other U.N. agency lawmaking authority."

"In other words," he continued, "there cannot be U.N. 'laws,' and there is no valid law authorizing the establishment of the ICC. The ratification of the ICC treaty, whether by 60 nations or 1,000, does nothing to give the court any legal authority whatsoever."

The bill notes that that under the terms of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, "no nation may be bound by a treaty to which that nation has not consented."

"Therefore the United States, which has not consented" to the ICC "cannot be bound" by its terms, the bill says.

It notes that the ICC is "wholly unauthorized by the Charter of the United Nations." And, it says the ICC statute "also contravenes the principle of government only by the consent of the governed," which is "enshrined in the American national charter, the Declaration of Independence."

The ICC's authority, the bill notes, circumvents U.S. constitutional "principles of separation of powers, federalism and trial by jury that are guaranteed" to Americans.

The ICC "by design and effect, is an illegitimate court," the bill states.

Paul thinks the world court could be used as a tool against the global interests of the U.S.

"The ICC, like the U.N. itself, will be used for political purposes," he said. "Far from being neutral, the court will serve as a weapon against disfavored nations and leaders. Given the anti-American sentiment that pervades the U.N., we can only assume that the court will be used one day to prosecute Americans who offend our many enemies among U.N. member states."

As WND reported, the world court was officially instituted yesterday at the U.N.'s New York City headquarters. According to its charter, the ICC is a permanent tribunal established ostensibly to prosecute "crimes against humanity." Clinton signed the treaty on his last day in office, Jan. 20, 2001, but it has never been ratified by the Senate. But as late as Monday there were reports that President Bush had sought means to retract the signature of the former president.

Deist confirmed that Bush has talked of finding a way to withdraw Clinton's signature, but he said talk in Washington is sometimes cheap.

"The ICC cannot exercise legitimate jurisdiction over American citizens," Paul said. "Furthermore, the Senate cannot constitutionally ratify any treaty that attempts to surrender the judicial function to an international agency. Our Constitution guarantees every American citizen various rights before, during and after a criminal arrest and trial, and no valid treaty can deny our citizens those rights."

Deist told WND that the bill is similar to legislation introduced in the House and Senate last summer, but that the Texas lawmaker's bill "is more zesty."

He also said the measure had garnered at least 15 co-sponsors by midday yesterday but it is so new that it has yet to be assigned a number.


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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I call a cessation of hostilities for Tonkas sake--LOLOL. The drivel doesnt get him nor anyone, especially the other FReepers anywhere.
141 posted on 04/12/2002 6:24:30 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: SKS Snajperi
I'm still waiting for your Special Forces data.
When, where and what Special Forces did you train for Bosnia.
Let me know when you get your story together.
I'll make sure the other vets know and give you what you deserve.
142 posted on 04/12/2002 6:36:34 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: MissAmericanPie
How quickly they forget. "Stroke of the pen, law of the land", until the congress, or the President voids the EO it stands as the law of the land. doh

Do you know the difference between an executive order and a National Monument declaration?

143 posted on 04/12/2002 6:39:08 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
USMC, 2MarDiv, -----BN, 1st Plt, Hvy Section Leader. Red Two. ooh-rah! Semper Fi, do or die, kl kl kl...:) Nerd Herd, keeps on rollen! Brother. Tank Sniper, Company Sniper, and the number one Awardee...(the last one is an inside joke)
144 posted on 04/12/2002 6:39:27 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
oh, and Bn Security Team NCOIC. I got the position due to my not taking sht from any rank and had Cpls and Sgt's under this Lance Cooley...:) Cao, bro.

My TIS is second to none, as I do not need to brag on my patriotism. Tests/Research has shown tht those drumb beaters are the first ones to Run from the battle/fight.

145 posted on 04/12/2002 6:42:27 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: conserve-it;Norb2569;COB1;LadyX;g'nad;Race Bannon;gunnyg;river rat;SKS Snajperi
Please see post 144
Any Marines onboard that can verify if this data is true?
After several days about bragging about training Special Forces in Bosnia and not being able to answer when, where and what Special Forces Units he trained SKS Snajperi finally posted this Marine background.
Note: Last month he was banned under FReeper name HoChiMinh.
146 posted on 04/12/2002 6:49:15 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;firewall;spar
boyo, you are much too funny...
147 posted on 04/12/2002 6:53:27 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Sorry Tonk,

Milosevich is just another local pol.
By our standards he is a creep, but for years he was the elected (really) leader and for years he was faced with an outside sponsored rebellion.
Dictators might need to be brought down but not by us as an outside, hypocritical and inconsistant arbitor of right versus wrong.
Sure as hell not by some drum-head tribunal led by an ideology we'd all reject.

You'll never win an arguement saying that Ex-yugoslavians of any stripe are better off than before.

Shiptars are albanians imported for a purpose and sponsored by .... oops, it was us.

148 posted on 04/12/2002 6:59:43 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton
"By our standards he is a creep"

Yep and he and his wife joined the Communist Party, while others in their homeland fought the commies.
Once a commie, always a commie, his fate at the hands of the commie court has no bearing on the US.
The US Senate has never ratified the treaty.
So now he gets his payback and it has no effect on America.
He was such a creep that his own people threw him out of office then let him be sent to the commie court.
And President Bush has one less commie to deal with.
It's what I call a win, win situation for the US.
149 posted on 04/12/2002 7:10:48 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
you have just set a new low standard of ignorant bantering, my gosh! You have no concept of what happened in YU, do you? Im sure you have blind loyalty to the likes of CNN, sheesh...good night/laku noc.
150 posted on 04/12/2002 7:20:33 PM PDT by SKS Snajperi
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To: AnnaZ; HangFire; incindiary; brat; vetwife; Askel5; MissAmericanPie; keep U.S. Sovereign...
Anti-UN bump
151 posted on 04/12/2002 7:33:01 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge
Anti-commie bump
152 posted on 04/12/2002 8:03:46 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; SKS Snajperi; FireWall; norton; A Navy Vet; Nitro
Ronnie What, Tonkin? What are you talking about? Im talking about rights as in bill of rights and the right to a fiar trial. Like I said in my evaluation, you make little sense and you are not that bright. I doubt you even have read the Federalist Papers, have you?

Let me test you. Can you describe to me (if you are a true conservative and lover of Ronnie as I am) in what way did Reaganomics serve a blow to a key element of Keynesian economic thinking?

100 words or less should be enough to answer that question.

If you are a true American patriot, please tell me (answer can be found on the web) What American patriot defended the RedCoats in Boston accused of the Boston Massacre? In 100 words or less, What reasons did this American patriot give for defending his enemies the RedCoats?

Patriotisim is more than a slogan.

153 posted on 04/12/2002 8:25:50 PM PDT by Spar
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To: SKS Snajperi
I for one regret the passing of Vlajko Stojiljkovic, as well as the several suicides and murders (by NATO kidnappers) over the years of others indicted by the kangaroo court in the Hague!!!! I also deplore the way that Serbia is forced, via extortionist methods to "cooperate" with this travesty of a "court"!!!!

All the talk of "commies" misses the point!!! The real problem is the international muslim jihad--the same monsters who gave us Sept. 11th!!!! Both the ICTY and the ICC serve the interests of the jihad and of muslim expansionism, while they undermine our US (and other civilized and democratic) standards of justice!!!!

After all, they were both designed by the "American" muslim fifth columnist Cherif Bassiouni, that advocate of the "perfect" nature of sharia law, and of "enlightened" islamic fundamentalism!!!! When the "international community" entrusts the design of its institutions to such a "distinguished jurist", what can we expect?

154 posted on 04/12/2002 8:28:10 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Spar
"Patriotisim is more than a slogan."

It sure is
So in 100 words or less what are you doing in the REAL WORLD to help win the war on terror.
In 100 words or less what have you done in the past to defend Freedom in America.
Reading books does not count.
155 posted on 04/12/2002 8:34:54 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Honorary Serb
I understand that the initial annual budget for the ICC is about one billion dollars. Do you know why it is so high?
156 posted on 04/12/2002 8:36:26 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Spar
Your a military and foreign policy "expert".
Maybe you can help President Bush.
Send him your resume.
157 posted on 04/12/2002 8:38:08 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Spar
"I'm talking about rights as in bill of rights"

Since when did the Bill of Rights become applicable to foreign countries?
HINT: It's the United States Bill of Rights. It seems like you would like it to be an "open borders" document.
Also remember the US Senate did not ratify the UN "court" by a 2/3 vote,
so the "court" has no bearing on America.
Let me know when you understand that the Bill of Rights is a US document.
158 posted on 04/12/2002 8:43:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: lowbridge
bump!
159 posted on 04/12/2002 8:43:35 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Look out!! Behind you!! A communist!!

HaHa. Made you jump.

160 posted on 04/12/2002 8:43:44 PM PDT by getoffmylawn
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