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Will Third Parties Run to Victory?
Insight Magazine ^ | May 13, 2002 | Sam MacDonald

Posted on 05/13/2002 8:24:05 AM PDT by sheltonmac

America's third parties tend to be regarded by political insiders as something of a joke. No candidate from the Libertarian or Green parties has won a high-profile state or national election — or even come close. That significant failure aside, representatives from these third parties insist that they are poised to make an impact this November. In fact, this time around they might have a few candidates with enough money and support to make things interesting. Establishment politicians who recall the contentious outcome of the 2000 presidential election and the bizarre shift in Senate power last spring regard this possibility as no laughing matter.

Just ask former vice president Al Gore. Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader shaved a critical margin away from Gore — most notably in Florida, where Nader grabbed more than 97,000 votes, most of which probably would have gone to Gore in an election decided by approximately 500 votes. In a less-publicized political fracas, the Libertarian Party (LP) played a critical role in tossing control of the Senate to Democrats and now Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.). The Senate was evenly divided (and ripe for Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont to defect from the GOP) at least in part because in 2000 incumbent senator Slade Gorton (R-Wash.) lost to Democrat Maria Cantwell by fewer than 3,000 votes. In that race, the LP candidate received more than 64,000 votes, most of which probably would have gone to Gorton. A similar fate had befallen Republican challenger John Ensign in his 1998 bid to unseat incumbent Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.). In March 2001, National Review referred to "The GOP's Libertarian Problem" as "what may be the most underreported political phenomenon of the last two election cycles."

The Greens and the Libertarians still itch for the role of spoiler. One of the most interesting races this year will be in Georgia, where redistricting has paired two incumbent Republicans — conservative Reps. John Linder and Bob Barr — in the GOP primary. Ron Crickenberger, political director of the LP, tells Insight that the party plans to spend as much as $100,000 in the race to attack Barr's hard-line position against medical marijuana and give the primary to Linder. An LP position paper entitled "Spoiler Targets for 2002" presents the case in stark terms: "Bob Barr is target No. 1, both in terms of time criticality and in overall importance. To the medical-marijuana movement, Barr is the equivalent of the Antichrist."

Linder does not support medical marijuana, according to his office, but he has a much lower profile on the issue than Barr. A spokesman for Linder tells Insight that the LP has not contacted the congressman about these expenditures, but adds that Linder has a good working relationship with them because of his support for tax reform.

A spokesman for Barr says he, too, is unaware of the LP strategy, but in a written statement to Insight the congressman does not shrink from the challenge: "I'm proud to be the antidrug candidate in this race. … I have been a leader in the war against [illegal] drugs and if the pro-drug folks want to target me with negative ads then that tells me I've been doing a good job in that effort."

In preparing to resist the Libertarian push, Barr might consider consulting with the other vocally antidrug incumbents the LP has targeted. They include Sens. Tim Hutchinson (R-Ark.), Max Cleland (D-Ga.), Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Rep. Henry Bonilla (R-Texas). Crickenberger says Americans are ready to move away from drug prohibition, and his party is focusing resources accordingly. "We believe this is a substantial opportunity to move public policy in a Libertarian direction," he says.

Asked for races in which their candidate has a legitimate chance to win, LP officials point to Wisconsin. The Libertarian candidate for governor there is Ed Thompson, a former meat-cutter, prison guard and boxer who currently owns a bar/restaurant called Mr. Ed's Tee-Pee Supper Club and serves as mayor of tiny Tomah. He is polling between 7 and 11 percent, depending on which Democrat wins the primary.

Thompson reportedly was arrested in 1997 for operating illegal video-poker machines out of his bar and charged in 1998 for refusing to cooperate with police after being stabbed in the stomach by a friend. On the surface, he appears about as likely to win as shock-jock Howard Stern, who once toyed with the idea of running for governor of New York on the Libertarian ticket. But Thompson's brother is Tommy Thompson — probably the most popular politician in the state — who resigned as governor of Wisconsin to become President George W. Bush's secretary of health and human services. In an interview with Insight, Ed Thompson says his family name has given him added exposure and insists he is a serious candidate. "I am going to win," Thompson says. "There's no doubt about it."

Acting Gov. Scott McCallum is a Republican who was appointed when Tommy Thompson left for Washington, and he appears vulnerable. The Democrats will not hold primaries until later this summer and, in the meantime, Ed Thompson has been lapping up media attention and increasing his name recognition. He already has appeared on the Today show and was featured in a lengthy piece in the Style section of the Washington Post. In his interview with Insight, he pointed out that he is doing much better in the polls at this stage than another "hopeless" gubernatorial candidate who eventually went on to victory: Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura.

Since strange circumstances sometimes yield unexpected results, another gubernatorial race for Libertarians to watch might be in Massachusetts. Republican Gov. Jane Swift, the once-popular incumbent who gave birth in office to twins, earlier this year decided not to run when it became clear that Republican Mitt Romney, head of the Salt Lake Olympic Organizing Committee, was throwing his hat in the ring. Several Democrats still are battling for the primary nod.

In the midst of it all sits Libertarian Carla Howell. A management consultant who now is campaigning full time, she collected more than 300,000 votes (11.8 percent) in her 2000 bid for the Senate seat of Democrat Edward M. Kennedy; she fell fewer than 26,000 votes short of the Republican candidate. It is impossible to know whether she will control those votes this fall or if they will move to Romney in a close race because none of the polls conducted so far have included her as an option — a snub she dismisses as "absurd" given her showing in 2000.

Howell remains confident, however. She tells Insight that her campaign will spend approximately $1 million by Election Day — an astronomical war chest by Libertarian standards and one that will allow her to buy precious time on television. "I certainly have a chance," she says. "I'm a dark horse, but we'll see."

Howell says her campaign will get a boost from a possible ballot measure that would give voters the chance to eliminate the state's notoriously high income tax. She is cofounder and chairwoman of the ballot initiative — a measure none of the other candidates supports. Asked if she fears her candidacy might "spoil" the election for Romney and give it to a big-spending Democrat, Howell argues that neither Democrats nor Republicans advocate smaller government. "You can't spoil tainted meat," she says.

Dean Myerson, political director for the Green Party, also dismisses criticism that his party spoils elections. "The whole concept with spoilers is that we have a responsibility to protect Democrats when they run bad candidates," Myerson tells Insight. "We're running candidates because that's what our supporters want."

According to Myerson, the Green Party's best chance this year also is in a gubernatorial race, this one in Maine. He says Green candidate Jonathan Carter and his supporters slogged through the Maine winter to get 20 percent of party members to sign a petition supporting the campaign. Myerson says the signatures put Carter on the ballot and made him eligible for public funds. The political director says the campaign eventually should receive "close to $1 million. He's going to have the funds to run a serious campaign."

Opposing Carter will be a Republican, an independent and Rep. John Baldacci (D-Maine), according to Myerson. He says he is unaware of any polls so far, but adds that the crowded field might favor a dark horse. "It's a four-way race," he notes, "so you can win with 30-some percent."

Optimistic predictions aside, these third-party candidates are all long shots — just like Ventura. But Chuck Muth, chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus (RLC), is one political operative who takes the third-party threat seriously. The RLC derides as RINOs (Republicans in name only) those GOP officials who stray from their small-government promises and it urges the party to stick to fundamentals such as tax cuts. Muth has worked in Nevada to find common ground between Libertarian and Republican candidates for the state Assembly, cobbling deals so the two parties compete in as few districts as possible. "I wish someone at the national level would do it," he says, noting that more and more elections are coming down to the wire, and that tenuous majorities in both the House and the Senate are on the line. "Two or 3 percent is the spoiler level in a lot of these races," he warns.


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To: Bush2000
Why don't you just simplify things and vote for the Democrats? Your vote is going to them, anyway... Ha! So is yours. It's not called the stupid party for nothing you know. Blackbird.
61 posted on 05/13/2002 11:56:08 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"Bush said goodbye to Kyoto, the World Court and yes to the Second Amendment.'

I'll grant you Kyoto and the recent World Court but I didn't know Bush was on the Supreme Court. Running on dry aren't you?

But the World Court was a Buchanan issue a long before last month. Bush also got around to protecting our defense needed steel industry.

But you are right that Brady and Jackson have more influence in Washington than Buchanan does. Sadly there are no conservatives with influence in Washington.

However Washington needs more time to catch up with American citizens as to what is good for America. I think they are beginning to catch on to Buchanan's conservatism - illegal immigration, foreign war entangements, opposition to the one worlders, trade deficit effect on our economy and the evils of abortion and homosexual practices.

62 posted on 05/13/2002 11:59:16 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: ForOurFuture
Though I am very disappointed to hear of the LP's attempts to assasinate Bob Barr over the drug issue. Bob Barr is one of the best friends of liberty in the House.

Barr may actually swing libertarian on some issues (he has expressed reservations about some the actions of the Ashcroft DOJ in regards to the war on terror), but on the drug issue he is an arch-Drug Warrior. No matter what libertarian stances Barr may have taken on other issues, his fascism in regards to the INSANE WOsD simply cannot be reconciled by any principled libertarian - that's why the LP opposes him.

63 posted on 05/13/2002 12:16:38 PM PDT by bassmaner
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To: Sloth
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Yep, but you're equally dead nonetheless.

64 posted on 05/13/2002 12:32:10 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: bassmaner
No matter what libertarian stances Barr may have taken on other issues, his fascism in regards to the INSANE WOsD simply cannot be reconciled by any principled libertarian - that's why the LP opposes him.

There are hundreds in Congress who support the insane war on drugs. Why focus on Barr?

65 posted on 05/13/2002 12:33:57 PM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: sheltonmac
Perot got as close as it's going to get! And he blew it for all 3rd parties for the foreseeable future.
66 posted on 05/13/2002 12:38:02 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: rdb3
The republicans had had the Senate for years. They had done diddly with it, too. In case you've forgotten, it was a GOP majority Senate which acquitted Clinton. Jeffords' jump was predictable and planned. The very last thing the GOP could allow was complete republican control of two branches of the government. When that happens, it's put up or shut up time, and they're terrified of having to do what they've pretended to want to do for the past 20 years.

I didn't say that Bush was as bad as Clinton, but now that you mention it, he isn't any better than Gore. It's apparent to me that we'll never be allowed to get decent candidates into the running under the GOP banner.

67 posted on 05/13/2002 12:39:30 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Twodees
I didn't say that Bush was as bad as Clinton, but now that you mention it, he isn't any better than Gore.

Oh, yes he is! It's not even comparable. Gore doesn't measure up to Dubya in any sense. Under Gore, we'd be the ones apologizing to bin Laden, even though our WTC and Pentagon were attacked.

In my mind, it's pure hyperbole to say that Dubya is no better than Gore.

It's apparent to me that we'll never be allowed to get decent candidates into the running under the GOP banner.

Why not try? Ron Paul pulled it off. Who's to say that it can't be done again and again? In other words, it must be tried Double-D. This isn't about the Party, it's about the avenue. A paved road is much smoother to drive on than a gravel one.

68 posted on 05/13/2002 12:45:20 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Twodees
"I didn't say that Bush was as bad as Clinton, but now that you mention it, he isn't any better than Gore."

====

Put the cap back on the glue. Maybe your head will clear up.

Excuse me, rdb3, I just had to rescue 2Ds from himself.

69 posted on 05/13/2002 12:47:55 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: BlackbirdSST
Ha! So is yours. It's not called the stupid party for nothing you know. Blackbird.

And you expect to make your voice known by electing Democrats? How many Libertarians have been elected recently? Or Reform Party? I'm just curious whether you know the bottom-line on your third-party strategy. Vote your conscience, if you will, but don't be surprised when Democrats end up making laws that govern your existence...
70 posted on 05/13/2002 1:09:04 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: =Intervention=
I agree. I find it hilarious that people who care so much for freedom and liberty can't bring themselves to exercise that freedom to vote for someone besides Democrats or Republicans.

They have been conditioned to support the party no matter what. It's what allowed people to defend Clinton constantly (especially many women, who should have been ripping him a new one), and it's what allows people to continue supporting Bush over his leftist actions, even though had it been Clinton they would have been screaming their heads off.

71 posted on 05/13/2002 1:09:14 PM PDT by texlok
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To: mrclint
Will Third Parties Run to Victory Yes, increasingly so Will Third Parties Ruin Victory? No

Evidence, please. Name a few major third party victories in recent years.
72 posted on 05/13/2002 1:10:55 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: sheltonmac
What was it that J.C. Watts said?........

"Character is doing what's right even when no one is watching".

That's sort of how I approach voting.

I vote for who I believe is right, regardless of which "party"

he/she is working for.

73 posted on 05/13/2002 1:15:41 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: galt-jw
do you mean voting for democrats, as in, increasing the fed budget (bush and gore)

Ah, you're opposed to increasing spending on defense?

...allowing in illegals (bush and gore),

Clue phone: It's for you. They're already here. Bush is converting them to taxpayers. Read: more tax revenue.

...abrogating personal rights (bush and gore),

Esplain yourself, Lucy...

or not standing up for principles ran on (bush and gore),

Like a tax cut, pushing for ANWR drilling, and education reform?

signing farm subsidy (bush and gore),

Did Reagan, the father of modern conservatism, ever sign a farm subsidy?

signing campaign finance reform (bush and gore).

Ha ha ha. What an aquamaroon. Bush knows this is unconstitutional and will be struck down on 1st Amendment grounds. He gets to look acquiescient to the McCain wing of the GOP and cut off an attack from the DNC.

so, this is clearly evident. but, why do you shill for the destruction of liberty, calling it whatever you want, repub or dem?

Put down the bong. You don't get everything you want overnight. It takes time and it takes some accomodation. That's the nature of politics. I find that people who expect immediate and radical change are usually immature, unrealistic, idealistic self-deluders...
74 posted on 05/13/2002 1:18:23 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
don't be surprised when Democrats end up making laws that govern your existence... Man, people like you can't see the forest for the trees. Your vote for most repubs is no different than if you had voted straight rat on your ticket. There are damn few exceptions to this, most repubs are rats in drag. Get used to disappointment, plenty heading our way. When I see someone, anyone in the stupid party develop some spine, I might reconsider. The only thing the rats will govern over me, will be my demise, but I'll go down from standing, not on my knees. Blackbird.
75 posted on 05/13/2002 1:23:49 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: sheltonmac
I'm hope Nader runs again in '04. I'm considering joining DU and posing as a Greener and telling everyone that the Dems are corporate, corrupt death penalty supporters and bash "money-bags" Edwards and the Clintons' two-facedness. It'll be so easy, hahahahaha! Except for the lying part...I guess those DU moles over here have an advantage that way, they're used to lying all the time. I know they'll show up on this thread pushing Republicans to vote third, fourth or fifth party, it doesn't matter which, as long as that vote is spread out, so I just want to say, Hi, guys! I know you're out there! You're working so hard, I think you guys ought to take a break!
76 posted on 05/13/2002 1:31:09 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: BlackbirdSST
Man, people like you can't see the forest for the trees.

And people like you think it's a single forest when, in fact, it's 50 of them. Political blocs aren't monolithic.

Your vote for most repubs is no different than if you had voted straight rat on your ticket. There are damn few exceptions to this, most repubs are rats in drag.

BS. My Republican rep is conservative and pro-life. Olympia Snowe and other pro-murder candidates aren't in my district; therefore, I don't vote for them. Don't try to blame the policies of individual members of Congress on the entire party. That's a bunch of BS. Get used to disappointment, plenty heading our way. When I see someone, anyone in the stupid party develop some spine, I might reconsider. The only thing the rats will govern over me, will be my demise, but I'll go down from standing, not on my knees. Blackbird.
77 posted on 05/13/2002 1:32:58 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: ex-snook
BTW since Bush ran as a conservative, there must be a dozen conservative things he has accomplished. Anyone care to mention the main 3 or 4?

Hmmmm.. lessee....

1-He's opened up the federal floodgates on education spending.

2-He signed legislation limiting our first amendment rights in the days leading up to elections, in spite of his campaign statement (read my lips)

3-He's running around the world threating war without a declaration by Congress

4-He's used 9/11 to institute measures designed to chill political dissent....

< /sarcasm>

78 posted on 05/13/2002 1:45:37 PM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: WhiteGuy
"I vote for who I believe is right, regardless of which 'party' he/she is working for."

It's like Karl Hess said: "Your vote isn't a bet on who's going to win the election. It's a statement of who you are."

79 posted on 05/13/2002 1:55:46 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: ex-snook
"Winning isn't getting elected, it is moving the pile on issues."

Well put, and a message Dubyuh needs to hear...some of the collectivist krap he has supported/signed over the last few months is making me wonder why I worked so hard to get him elected!!

FReegards...MUD

80 posted on 05/13/2002 1:58:17 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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