Will Third Parties Run to Victory?

Insight Magazine ^ | May 13, 2002 | Sam MacDonald

[BlackbirdSST]

Why don't you just simplify things and vote for the Democrats? Your vote is going to them, anyway... Ha! So is yours. It's not called the stupid party for nothing you know. Blackbird.

[ex-snook]

"Bush said goodbye to Kyoto, the World Court and yes to the Second Amendment.'

I'll grant you Kyoto and the recent World Court but I didn't know Bush was on the Supreme Court. Running on dry aren't you?

But the World Court was a Buchanan issue a long before last month. Bush also got around to protecting our defense needed steel industry.

But you are right that Brady and Jackson have more influence in Washington than Buchanan does. Sadly there are no conservatives with influence in Washington.

However Washington needs more time to catch up with American citizens as to what is good for America. I think they are beginning to catch on to Buchanan's conservatism - illegal immigration, foreign war entangements, opposition to the one worlders, trade deficit effect on our economy and the evils of abortion and homosexual practices.

[bassmaner]

Though I am very disappointed to hear of the LP's attempts to assasinate Bob Barr over the drug issue. Bob Barr is one of the best friends of liberty in the House.

Barr may actually swing libertarian on some issues (he has expressed reservations about some the actions of the Ashcroft DOJ in regards to the war on terror), but on the drug issue he is an arch-Drug Warrior. No matter what libertarian stances Barr may have taken on other issues, his fascism in regards to the INSANE WOsD simply cannot be reconciled by any principled libertarian - that's why the LP opposes him.

[rdb3]

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Yep, but you're equally dead nonetheless.

[ForOurFuture]

No matter what libertarian stances Barr may have taken on other issues, his fascism in regards to the INSANE WOsD simply cannot be reconciled by any principled libertarian - that's why the LP opposes him.

There are hundreds in Congress who support the insane war on drugs. Why focus on Barr?

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Perot got as close as it's going to get! And he blew it for all 3rd parties for the foreseeable future.

[Twodees]

The republicans had had the Senate for years. They had done diddly with it, too. In case you've forgotten, it was a GOP majority Senate which acquitted Clinton. Jeffords' jump was predictable and planned. The very last thing the GOP could allow was complete republican control of two branches of the government. When that happens, it's put up or shut up time, and they're terrified of having to do what they've pretended to want to do for the past 20 years.

I didn't say that Bush was as bad as Clinton, but now that you mention it, he isn't any better than Gore. It's apparent to me that we'll never be allowed to get decent candidates into the running under the GOP banner.

[rdb3]

I didn't say that Bush was as bad as Clinton, but now that you mention it, he isn't any better than Gore.

Oh, yes he is! It's not even comparable. Gore doesn't measure up to Dubya in any sense. Under Gore, we'd be the ones apologizing to bin Laden, even though our WTC and Pentagon were attacked.

In my mind, it's pure hyperbole to say that Dubya is no better than Gore.

It's apparent to me that we'll never be allowed to get decent candidates into the running under the GOP banner.

Why not try? Ron Paul pulled it off. Who's to say that it can't be done again and again? In other words, it must be tried Double-D. This isn't about the Party, it's about the avenue. A paved road is much smoother to drive on than a gravel one.

[drstevej]

"I didn't say that Bush was as bad as Clinton, but now that you mention it, he isn't any better than Gore."

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Put the cap back on the glue. Maybe your head will clear up.

Excuse me, rdb3, I just had to rescue 2Ds from himself.

[Bush2000]

Ha! So is yours. It's not called the stupid party for nothing you know. Blackbird.

And you expect to make your voice known by electing Democrats? How many Libertarians have been elected recently? Or Reform Party? I'm just curious whether you know the bottom-line on your third-party strategy. Vote your conscience, if you will, but don't be surprised when Democrats end up making laws that govern your existence...

[texlok]

I agree. I find it hilarious that people who care so much for freedom and liberty can't bring themselves to exercise that freedom to vote for someone besides Democrats or Republicans.

They have been conditioned to support the party no matter what. It's what allowed people to defend Clinton constantly (especially many women, who should have been ripping him a new one), and it's what allows people to continue supporting Bush over his leftist actions, even though had it been Clinton they would have been screaming their heads off.

[Bush2000]

Will Third Parties Run to Victory Yes, increasingly so Will Third Parties Ruin Victory? No

Evidence, please. Name a few major third party victories in recent years.

[WhiteGuy]

What was it that J.C. Watts said?........

"Character is doing what's right even when no one is watching".

That's sort of how I approach voting.

I vote for who I believe is right, regardless of which "party"

he/she is working for.

[Bush2000]

do you mean voting for democrats, as in, increasing the fed budget (bush and gore)

Ah, you're opposed to increasing spending on defense?

...allowing in illegals (bush and gore),

Clue phone: It's for you. They're already here. Bush is converting them to taxpayers. Read: more tax revenue.

...abrogating personal rights (bush and gore),

Esplain yourself, Lucy...

or not standing up for principles ran on (bush and gore),

Like a tax cut, pushing for ANWR drilling, and education reform?

signing farm subsidy (bush and gore),

Did Reagan, the father of modern conservatism, ever sign a farm subsidy?

signing campaign finance reform (bush and gore).

Ha ha ha. What an aquamaroon. Bush knows this is unconstitutional and will be struck down on 1st Amendment grounds. He gets to look acquiescient to the McCain wing of the GOP and cut off an attack from the DNC.

so, this is clearly evident. but, why do you shill for the destruction of liberty, calling it whatever you want, repub or dem?

Put down the bong. You don't get everything you want overnight. It takes time and it takes some accomodation. That's the nature of politics. I find that people who expect immediate and radical change are usually immature, unrealistic, idealistic self-deluders...

[BlackbirdSST]

don't be surprised when Democrats end up making laws that govern your existence... Man, people like you can't see the forest for the trees. Your vote for most repubs is no different than if you had voted straight rat on your ticket. There are damn few exceptions to this, most repubs are rats in drag. Get used to disappointment, plenty heading our way. When I see someone, anyone in the stupid party develop some spine, I might reconsider. The only thing the rats will govern over me, will be my demise, but I'll go down from standing, not on my knees. Blackbird.

[stands2reason]

I'm hope Nader runs again in '04. I'm considering joining DU and posing as a Greener and telling everyone that the Dems are corporate, corrupt death penalty supporters and bash "money-bags" Edwards and the Clintons' two-facedness. It'll be so easy, hahahahaha! Except for the lying part...I guess those DU moles over here have an advantage that way, they're used to lying all the time. I know they'll show up on this thread pushing Republicans to vote third, fourth or fifth party, it doesn't matter which, as long as that vote is spread out, so I just want to say, Hi, guys! I know you're out there! You're working so hard, I think you guys ought to take a break!

[Bush2000]

Man, people like you can't see the forest for the trees.

And people like you think it's a single forest when, in fact, it's 50 of them. Political blocs aren't monolithic.

Your vote for most repubs is no different than if you had voted straight rat on your ticket. There are damn few exceptions to this, most repubs are rats in drag.

BS. My Republican rep is conservative and pro-life. Olympia Snowe and other pro-murder candidates aren't in my district; therefore, I don't vote for them. Don't try to blame the policies of individual members of Congress on the entire party. That's a bunch of BS. Get used to disappointment, plenty heading our way. When I see someone, anyone in the stupid party develop some spine, I might reconsider. The only thing the rats will govern over me, will be my demise, but I'll go down from standing, not on my knees. Blackbird.

[Beenliedto]

BTW since Bush ran as a conservative, there must be a dozen conservative things he has accomplished. Anyone care to mention the main 3 or 4?

Hmmmm.. lessee....

1-He's opened up the federal floodgates on education spending.

2-He signed legislation limiting our first amendment rights in the days leading up to elections, in spite of his campaign statement (read my lips)

3-He's running around the world threating war without a declaration by Congress

4-He's used 9/11 to institute measures designed to chill political dissent....

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[sheltonmac]

"I vote for who I believe is right, regardless of which 'party' he/she is working for."

It's like Karl Hess said: "Your vote isn't a bet on who's going to win the election. It's a statement of who you are."

[Mudboy Slim]

"Winning isn't getting elected, it is moving the pile on issues."

Well put, and a message Dubyuh needs to hear...some of the collectivist krap he has supported/signed over the last few months is making me wonder why I worked so hard to get him elected!!

FReegards...MUD