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US activists demand lawyers for chimps
BBC News ^ | Friday, 26 April, 2002, 12:46 GMT 13:46 UK | Editorial Staff

Posted on 05/29/2002 3:23:28 PM PDT by vannrox

US activists demand lawyers for chimps




Our nearest relative: Should apes get lawyers too?




Animal activists in the United States have launched a new campaign to let chimpanzees go to court. The Chimpanzee Collaboratory says chimpanzees are so close to humans - sharing 98.7% of our genetic make-up - that they deserve to get the same kind of legal representation as children.




A minimum level of autonomy is sufficient to justify the basic legal right to bodily integrity


Lawyer Steven Wise


Campaigners say this would let activists act as legal guardians for the chimps, potentially lodging law suits against researchers and animal entertainers.


But opponents say granting chimpanzees legal rights would be the start of a slippery slope, and that the current laws provide adequate protection.


Just like us


Among the rights chimps might be granted are the right to life, the right to freedom and the right to freedom from torture.


Research on great apes has shown that they have many of the characteristics associated with humans.


For example, the way in which they examine themselves in the mirror and their ability to name one another indicates they have a sense of self, says Andrew Whiten, Professor of Evolutionary and Developmental Psychology at the UK's St Andrew's University.


What concerns us is the increasingly litigious nature of those who believe that no animal should be used for any reason


Frankie Trull US researcher


Steven Wise, a proponent of chimpanzee rights, says this is enough to justify giving them a basic legal identity.


"I say that a minimum level of autonomy - the abilities to desire, to act intentionally and to have some sense of self, whatever the species - is sufficient to justify the basic legal right to bodily integrity," he writes in the latest issue of Nature magazine.


"Such immunity rights as bodily integrity and freedom from slavery can belong to human children, infants, the very retarded, the profoundly senile and the insane," says Mr Wise, a lawyer from the Boston-based Center for the Expansion of Fundamental Rights.


Why then, he argues, should chimps, which are in some ways more sophisticated than human infants, lose out?


Drawing the line


Frankie Trull of the US National Association for Biomedical Research says the chimpanzee example is the "beginning of a slippery slope".


"What concerns us is the increasingly litigious nature of those who believe that no animal should be used for any reason," he told the Wall Street Journal.


Scientists are also concerned about the long-term implications.


"I can understand and agree with the scientific basis for it. My concern about it is, where do you draw the line?" said Professor Whiten.


He says it is not clear that just because chimpanzees are similar to us they necessarily suffer more than, for example, chickens, which are not like us.


Others say more research into animal cognition is necessary before rights can be assigned to them.


Chimpanzees are already protected by laws making it illegal to catch and kill them and some say that all that is needed is better implementation of the existing legislation on the ground.


The threat they face from science has subsided, with experimentation on great apes banned in several countries, including the United Kingdom.


Breeding of chimpanzees for research was stopped in the United States in 1997. However, around 1,500 chimpanzees remain in captivity and available for experimentation.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activists; animal; characteristics; chimpanzee; collaboratory; identity; legal
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To: vannrox
Here's a good lawyer for the chumps...er, uh, chimps.


21 posted on 05/29/2002 3:51:12 PM PDT by South40
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To: bescobar
Damn, sorry about the grammar.
22 posted on 05/29/2002 3:52:38 PM PDT by bescobar
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To: vannrox
Darn good show! Animals DO have rights and have for quite some time. I say AMEN to lawyers for chimps. parsy.
23 posted on 05/29/2002 3:53:05 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: bescobar
Your family eats chimps?
24 posted on 05/29/2002 3:54:06 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: vannrox
Chimp legalisms:
"The ape that defends himself has a monkey for a lawyer."
"Posession is nine-tenths the banana."
"The law is king-of-the-jungle!"
"No Chimp has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another..."
"Ignorance of the law is not an excuse in any Jungle, unless you're an 800 lb gorilla."
25 posted on 05/29/2002 3:54:24 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: bescobar
Okay, here is my plan. I think we need to call these PETA people what they are...racist. See, the mixed cultures that make up my background (Anglo/Hispanic) consider meat as part of our culture and long tradition. I consider any assault on my family of rancheros and farmers an assault on my race. I hate racist and those who would attack my family history. All PETA people are racist. See my logic, I'll just call them racist whenever there in my face and threaten to sue them for a hate crime.
26 posted on 05/29/2002 3:54:39 PM PDT by bescobar
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To: AriOxman
No, But I have had monkey and baboon, it taste bad but I was hanging out with a local tribe in Africa during some volunteer work. What is the difference between a chimp and a cow?? Cultures should not be attacked for what they traditionally eat. Dogs, cats, horses, bird nest, cow stomach...it is all tradition in some land. Next Hindus will demand Godly rights for cattle; who has the right to decide what ANIMAL is more deserving of rights than another??
27 posted on 05/29/2002 4:00:27 PM PDT by bescobar
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To: AmericaUnited
The natural insane byproduct from all those who think we evolved from monkeys.

I subscribed to sub-sect of Darwinism. Only Liberals evolved from monkeys. Conservatives are divinly inspired.

28 posted on 05/29/2002 4:01:38 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: vannrox
US activists demand lawyers for chimps
I have no problem with this. If these US activists want to pay a lawyer to do whatever it is they want him to do for the chimp, that's fine, it's their money. Any money wasted by liberals and not fed into the democratic machine or Planned parenthood is OK with me.

Now, if they want me to pay, forget it.

29 posted on 05/29/2002 4:06:03 PM PDT by patent
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To: vannrox

"He is not an ape, therefore he has no rights under ape law."

Paybacks are a you-know-what!


30 posted on 05/29/2002 4:10:28 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: bescobar
What is the difference between a chimp and a cow?

Morally, nothing. As a practical matter, however, bushmeat is a bad idea - most bovine diseases do not affect humans. Monkey diseases, on the other hand....

31 posted on 05/29/2002 4:10:51 PM PDT by general_re
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To: bescobar
Well, Jews are prohibited from needlessy damaging/hurting animals of any sort - "Tzar Ba'alie Chaim", lit. causing pain to living creatures. Hence, most forms of hunting are off-limits, since if we can't eat it if we kill it wiht a gun ect. Of course, one can use a dart gun to stun it and then slaughter it...

Note that the above doesn't apply to medical experiments - that isn't considered needless. Even though PETA might be extreme, there are those on the other side who see nothing wrong with hurting animals for the heck of it.

32 posted on 05/29/2002 4:13:59 PM PDT by Krafty123
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To: vannrox
I have no problem with that as long as they are judged by a jury of their peers. Come to think of it, many of the U.S. courts are already experienced and ready to accomadate chimps in the court room.
33 posted on 05/29/2002 4:26:16 PM PDT by SSN558
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To: vannrox

While it is true that chimpanzees share 98.7% of our genetic make-up, the same cannot be said for lawyers. There is no reason for these animal-rights types to be crusading on their behalf.

I personally treat my own lawyers well, and would never dream of killing them or wearing their skins. However, I don't think that we should interfere with Nature by artificially protecting them from predatory beasts.


34 posted on 05/29/2002 4:39:08 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: troublesome creek
Surely there is a way lawyers can win another megalawsuit over this. And when they do, shouldn't dogs have attorneys too? After all, man's best friend should have the nation's best legal representation, right?
35 posted on 05/29/2002 4:54:27 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie
heck yes. we've got BIG TOBACCO, BIG OIL and next we could have BIG ANIMAL...an annuity for shysters everywhere.
36 posted on 05/29/2002 5:00:27 PM PDT by troublesome creek
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To: SSN558
I have no problem with that as long as they are judged by a jury of their peers

I can see the new TV show now, just like we have Judge Judy and Judge Wappner, the Animal Planet will carry Judge Bonzo.....

37 posted on 05/29/2002 5:01:01 PM PDT by 4TheFlag
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To: vannrox
Index
38 posted on 05/29/2002 5:01:20 PM PDT by UB355
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To: PsyOp
Johnny Cochran to the jury: "If the banana is split, you must acquit!"
39 posted on 05/29/2002 6:10:51 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: vannrox
is roddy mcdowell still alive?

40 posted on 05/29/2002 6:46:35 PM PDT by tomakaze
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