There doesn't seem to be a "(Rapture)" or a "(Christians)" in my concordance. Did you plug those in yourself? 
Posted on 06/09/2002 4:43:49 AM PDT by Tycobb
"God (Heavenly Father) doesn't want us to fail"If he does, we might as well hang it up.
"and will provide help when needed "If He won't, nothing will.
"- but that there are some who will eat the apple because they want to eat the apple."I definitely know what you mean. It's hard to imagine that anyone would knowingly turn away from God...but...it's naive to think otherwise, isn't it? To think, "I never could," is hubris.
Thanks, Joe. Your ideas are very good ones.
I'm not a pastor, just a discusser. So the wise would check it out for themselves and draw their own conclusion. :^)
There doesn't seem to be a "(Rapture)" or a "(Christians)" in my concordance. Did you plug those in yourself?
From the PASSIA home page:
Quoted source: Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Evolution of the Arab Flag, Amman, February 1986
From the PASSIA home page:
"Sharif Hussein designed the flag of the Arab Revolt on June 1916. The Palestinian people raised it as the flag of the Arab National movement in 1917. In 1947, the Arab Ba'ath Party interpreted the flag as a symbol of the liberation and unity of the Arab nation. The Palestinian people readopted the flag at the Palestinian conference in Gaza in 1948. The flag was recognized by the Arab League as the flag of the Palestinian people. It was further endorsed by the PLO, the representative of the Palestinians, at the Palestinian conference in Jerusalem in 1964."
Quoted source: Evolution of the Arab Flag, by Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Amman, Feb. 1986.
After the fall of Hejaz the colors were used by Husain's sons 'Abdulla (emir of the Transjordan) and Faisal (king of Iraq). Later on they became known as the Pan-Arab colors.
Harald Müller, 13 March 1996
The flag of Sharif Hussein of Hejaz, was a conscious union of the old Islamic dynasties, plus the red of Sharifian clan. The red also came to symbolise revolt against the Turks. Husain's 3 sons became kings of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq, hence the minor differentiations in the Sharifian flag. Hussein's original intent was for his flag to be identical in those 3 countries with the addition of one star for Jordan-Palestine, two stars for Iraq, and three stars for Syria. The Jordanian one is the only that has survived, and the Palestinians use the same flag without the star as a tie to their original territorial integrity. (Palestine and Transjordan were split in 1923 to clarify that a Jewish homeland did not apply to the latter.) In 1961 Kuwait switched from its red Gulf flag to a Sharifian variant.
T. F. Mills, April 1998
During World War I, Arabs in the Hejaz (the Red Sea coast of the Arabian peninsula) rose up against the Ottoman Sultan, with the help of the British, who were fighting the Ottomans at the time. The revolt was headed by the Hashemite dynasty of Mecca, and their banner was red, white, green, and red. Jordan is the last state left with a Hashemite ruling king, and thus its flag is closest to the original model. The colours are intended to correspond to the early Islamic dynasties of the first half of the middle ages; this is probably an "invented tradition," as the use of flags by such dynasties is anachronistic.
The Hashemite revolt was the Arab world's first embrace of European-style nationalism, but it was largely unsuccessful, mostly due to lack of Western support. The Arab-speaking areas of the old Ottoman empire were mostly divided up between France and England, though the British did install Hashemite princes as local rulers in the areas they controlled. Even in the Hejaz, the Hashemites were driven out by the Wahabi Saudi dynasty, which, then as now, was less concerned with Arab nationalism than in its doctrine of religious fundamentalism. Nevertheless the flag was remembered as associated with Arab nationalism, even if the Hashemite dynasty was not.
Joshua Fruhlinger, 11 January 1999
Source (you'll have to go here to access the above links):
http://www.fotw.net/flags/arabcols.html
Jordan:
http://www.fotw.net/flags/jo.html
"Palestine":
http://www.fotw.net/flags/ps.html
Also worth noting:
The flag of the Hejaz was designed by Sir Mark Sykes of the British Foreign Office for the Arab forces under the Sherif Hussein operating with Allenby in Palestine.
Interpreted properly, scripture doesn't have to be reinterpreted and re-reinterpreted year after year after year. It also doesn't contradict itself. If Revelation really was prophecy of current events, then what are we to do with the words of the Lord that say his return will be with out sign, and as a thief in the night?
No. To give a future tense to all of Revelation is folly, both Biblically and Historically, and the Lord told us as much when he said that it is a wicked and sinful generation that seeks signs from God.(seeking to know when to turn from their sins, in hopes of redemption.)
Revelation itself means to reveal, to warn, and it was a warning, but not to us. In Ch.1 V.4 John clearly states that the book is written to the seven Churches in Asia. In ch. 11, V.1-FF John is given a measuring rod and told to measure the Temple, but to exclude the outer court, because it has been given to the Gentiles. It's quite obvious that this is refering to the Temple that was destroyed in AD70, by Nero's soldiers.
This places the time period that Revelation was written to pre-AD70. History proves that Nero's Rome at that time was very hostile to Christians. Citizens were required to take an oath to Nero as their Lord, recieve a tattoo on their head or hand in order to buy, sell and reside in Rome or face torture and eventual death if they refused, and the policies were fast expanding to the rest of the Empire.(Sounds like an excellent candidate for the AC to me) This is also the reason Revelation is written in it's cryptic style. The seven Churches to whom it was penned understood it perfectly.(Nero and his ministers would have been clueless) For us to understand it's meanings takes the understanding that it wasn't written to us, but for us, and in depth study of Daniel and the other Apocalyptic(symbolic language) Books of the Old Testament.
Historical perspective helps as well, and while it is not inspired and infallible, as the scripture clearly is, early Roman historians were under penalty of death should they record something incorrectly. With those caveots always in mind, Flavious Josephus, Roman historian of the period, describes in the siege and fall of Jerusalem in AD67-70,(War of the Jews) that 1.1 million Jews perished with the uncounted remainder dispersed to the four corners of the Earth, sold into slavery for a pittance(The Dispora).
Many other elements of the siege and fall of Jerusalem, and Judea are contained within his writtings, but for the sake of brievety, I'll for go them here. You are however welcome to read them for yourself here- War of the Jews by Flavious Josephus
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assembilies. To him who overcomes I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of Elohim."
Revelation 2:7
Gan Eden
Garden of Eden
Paradise
PaRDeS...
The second one is translated Ethnos against Ethnos...
This means Ethnic groups against Ethnic Groups...another scenario that fits today...strongly.
The third....famine is a large part of what is going on in both China and East Asia as well as Africa.
The fourth.....Pestilence...is yet to manifest in the way I believe the Word is talking about...I believe it is sooner rather then later.
See http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/bizarre/bizarre.cfm?instanceid=18445
Reprinted here:
PARIS - A funny thing happened on the way to Doomsday - the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse got lost and had to ask for directions!
That is the wild story of a French police officer who claims that one of the fearsome riders trotted up to him on the roadside and sheepishly asked, "Do you know the way to Rome?"
"It was the one on a red horse, holding a broad-sword. I guess that must be the Second Horseman, the War guy," highway patrolman Michel Clenard told a Paris newspaper.
"I was totally taken aback. I mean, these guys are supposed to be determining the fate of all mankind - but they seem to have no Earthly idea where they're going. And I didn't know whether to point them in the right direction or send them on a wild goose chase."
According to prophecies in the Holy Bible, a warning sign that the end of the world is near will be the arrival of four mysterious horsemen, representing the major calamities that will plague man in the last days - war, famine, pestilence and death (Rev. 6:2-8).
The uncanny encounter took place 13 miles outside Paris on the highway from Dijon. Officer Clenard was assisting a female motorist whose auto had broken down on the side of the road, when he first spotted the hooded horsemen and their giant steeds.
"They had stopped on the other side of the road and they were arguing over their map about which way to go," said Officer Clenard. "I was concerned because cars were whizzing by really fast and the horses seemed like they were getting anxious."
Officer Clenard said eventually one of the horsemen was sent over to his patrol car.
"The guy seemed reluctant and when he got close enough for me to recognize him from illustrations in my Bible, I understood why," he said. "The guys are supposed to be these big, bad harbingers of doom - asking for help must have been humiliating."
Officer Clenard said the Second Horseman spoke in an antiquated form of French.
"I advised him to keep his sword sheathed and I gave him directions, but I'm not sure he got them right," the cop said. "When the riders took off, two of them headed the wrong way!" Published on: December 11, 2001
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