Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
Believe it or not, neither does AIG, but that doesn't stop people from posting it on FR.
How, then, do you expect me to accept a report in a Russian newspaper that has this marvelously quantitative statement:
Bushev said that every metre of the half-kilometre-wide rock surface is covered by three-toed footprints ‘made by giant dinosaurs making their morning or evening promenade along the ancient sea-shore’. The Turkmenian plateau contains more than 3,000 footprints.
That wonderfully one-dimensional surface has at least one track per meter. (That's 500 -- minimum). But the entire Turkmenian plateau contains only "more than 3,000 footprints".
If the exposed track zone were only six (6) meters "long", (it's already 500 meters "wide") at a density of roughly one per (square) meter, it would contain the entire "Turkmenian plateau's" tracks.
With that journalistic 'marvel of precise observation' as the only submitted evidence, I can most readily dismiss the linked "report" -- and hereby do so.
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Even the creationist website to which you linked felt forced to post this disclaimer:
Note: This article is a factual account of a genuine, sober report in the Russian newspaper. However, one needs to be cautious about accepting the prints described on the basis of just this report. None of our sources has been able to obtain any further information on the prints, nor any photograph to this date. It is presented for the information of readers, and to show how these particular evolutionists interpreted evidence which seemed to contradict the whole concept.
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Sorry for being late... I had to eat dinner. The selection occurs based on what trait is better suited to an environment or perhaps a change in environment. I suggest you read up on it at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html. I also highly recommend Patrick Henry's lists of evolution. at http://www.freerepublic.com/~patrickhenry.
Why would this even happen at all?
Gee because if anything we know this is not a static planet. Sometimes it is colder than average... sometimes it is warmer. I used an example in one post the Nene of Hawaii. Basically it is a Canadian goose but has adapted itself to living on the island (it neither swims nor flies but its feet have adapted for climbing). That is the beauty of how evolution works... species adapt to survive. I can send you the link if you want...
1. Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and that this discovery is proof. OR...
2. The mainstream scientific orthodoxy is really lying to us about the age of dinosaurs and the acutal age of the earth because they have chosen evolution as their religion and can't face up to the fact that finding soft tissue in fossilized bone throws their orthodoxy into question.
1. Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and that this discovery is proof. OR...
2. The mainstream scientific orthodoxy is really lying to us about the age of dinosaurs and the acutal age of the earth because they have chosen evolution as their religion and can't face up to the fact that finding soft tissue in fossilized bone throws their orthodoxy into question.
You left out one:
3. Option #2 is direct from conspiracy-theory-central, and isn't worth even the minor inconvenience imposed on the electrons that are holding that option on your screen.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Signed: an associate member of The Mainstream Scientific Orthodoxy
You'll have to deal with them, then. The chimp genome is published, the human genome is published, you can compare them yourself. The genomic similarity is there, regardless of your view of of its origin (unless you think the entire science of biology is conspiring to make us look like monkeys).
Nicely done!
IMHO, you are on the right track!
You mean like the phony Global Warming data, based entirely on computer modeling, which can in no way be proved.
You mean like the phony Global Warming data, based entirely on computer modeling, which can in no way be proved.
There are a lot of scientists who don't buy "human caused global warming."
But, "global warming" is actually real, and the most recent episode started some 15,000 years ago. That's why there are currently no glaciers in Wisconsin and Seattle and other northern climes. That's why sea levels have risen some 430-460 feet during this time period. Something is causing the climate to warm up, and it will probably continue until the next glacial episode begins (and humans don't have very much to say about it).
But I doubt that Clovis man and the earlier folks can be blamed. Those campfires weren't that big!
That wouldn't be so hard so long as I didn't have to cover Canada with the same tent.
Sorry, you just did take a side.
First, "Darwinism" is a term used primarily by creationists to try and categorize (and demean) scientists studying dozens of different fields. I have never heard a scientist refer to himself/herself as a "Darwinist."
Second, you admit you don't know much science, but you are able to pronounce that "Darwinism is more a cosmology than a science."
Third, your slur about "birkenstockers" is meaningless.
That's zero for three. In baseball you'd be out. (So much for not taking sides.)
Birkenstocks? In scientific terms, you have earned yourself the unenviable position of "Laughingstock."
Thanks for the pings. All I think of this is that it fortifies my argument that Darwinism is non-falsifiable. Whatever evidence is presented which may in any fashion be counter to the dogma, that evidence will be rendered to suit the dogma. This evidence should not be noteworthy, but it is. Why?
Yep… I think it’s all a big conspiracy to make us; look like monkeys, eat bananas, adhere to communism, and become fat so that we are harder to kidnap… I know you are not that naïve.
A group of Nobel Prize winners signed this letter against ID stating:
“Logically derived from confirmable evidence, evolution is understood to be the result of an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection.”It seems that here the line between methodological naturalism and philosophical naturalism has been breached regardless on which side you stand.
I have no idea how deep your denial goes.
We are very, very similar genetically to chimps. That's a cold, hard fact. How you shoehorn your hunter gatherer creation myth to adapt to it isn't our problem. We don't want to be involved. We just ask you keep it to yourselves.
A group of Nobel Prize winners signed this letter against ID stating: “Logically derived from confirmable evidence, evolution is understood to be the result of an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection.” It seems that here the line between methodological naturalism and philosophical naturalism has been breached regardless on which side you stand.
If you say so. In that case, philosophical naturalism is upheld. But at least that frees up your Sunday mornings!
What were pedal pushers then?
Lance Armstrong's grandparents.
There is a difference according to this. Capri Pants and Pedal Pushers...
Is that a new tagline, or did I just miss noticing it until now?...in any case, its quite grand...
It is indeed a new tagline, some 20 minutes old.
You are very perceptive.
If you say so. In that case, if ‘my’ Sunday mornings are fair game than so are ‘your’ philosophical naturalistic classrooms - on the weekdays. Because how you shoehorn your hunter gatherer creation myth to adapt to it is everyone’s problem.
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