Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
Romney is NOT Jewish!
***She obviously is attempting to hijack the thread, as well as get it pulled.
No I would have preferred that you had not challenged me to a confrontation on what I believed about Israel, the Biblical people of the LORD God who dwells in their midst ...
I dont know what makes you tick...
But it isnt about any anti-Semitism fron the Christian FReepers in this thread...
I doubt if you will find any...
Meanwhile the LORD God doesnt tell us to obey asnd honor our parents UNLESS they are “secular, extremely political liberal Jews”
He does not qualify the degree to which our parents must EARN our respect, honor and obedience...
He just commands we do it...
I would have thought obeying the LORD God would be second nature to a Jew..
Especially one who has set herself up a Lucy Judgemental Booth where Gentiles are TSAed about their religious thoughts..
Why am I wrong ???
Yep, all her attempts are obvious - from whining to getting it moved to calling freepers names to changing the subject.
Enter ye in at the NARROW gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat.
“And the NARROW gate is set in ROME??”
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Hi Sister,
If you mean by “ROME”, Roman Catholicism, bingo, you got
it. It is the true faith. Jesus IS NOT returning in this
“soon” middle coming to say, “fine, stay with whatever of the 30 thousand plus Protestant denominations, non-denominations and home churches you attend.”
Four centuries of some Christians sad, Scripture is your only authority but you get decide what it means. Inconsistent in belief is the fruit because you make yourself your own pope.
Protestants can never be specific, they keep repeating
one line. “Jesus is coming soon.” There’s more, go
further, we can know, Scripture and prophecy reveals
God’s plans for the near future.
Jesus IS NOT returning in this “soon” middle coming to say, “fine, stay with whatever of the 30 thousand plus Protestant denominations, non-denominations and home churches you attend.”
***Yet another thread hijacking attempt.
AMEN! As He knows what is best for us even when we don't, when we learn to OBEY HIM we will never be misled.
I would have thought obeying the LORD God would be second nature to a Jew..
It certainly was for Abraham!
This isn’t about you!! It’s a thread on Romney and the reasons some of us will NOT vote for him. Capisce?
***No, she does not capisce.
Until you can two and two together just zip the lip!
Thankful there are some helpful freepers who tell us about Mormonism because I knew nothing about it. And, at the time of my ignorance about Mormonism - I NEVER had plans or did I vote for Mitt - I KNEW HIS RECORD.
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE FOR A CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION IS WRONG!
Show me where that is happening???? WHAT CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE???? KEEP IT HONEST. NO MORE OF YOUR BS!
Until you can two and two together just zip the lip!
Thankful there are some helpful freepers who tell us about Mormonism because I knew nothing about it. And, at the time of my ignorance about Mormonism - I NEVER had plans or did I vote for Mitt - I KNEW HIS RECORD.
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE FOR A CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION IS WRONG!
Show me where that is happening???? WHAT CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE???? KEEP IT HONEST. NO MORE OF YOUR BS!
YO!! YOU don't DECIDE when ANYTHING is closed - even though you brought Judaism into a thread about Romney.
WE DO!
Abraham was a man of faith - not a godless wonder of his own imagination!
“All I asked were all religious doctrine stuff be kept to the Religion forum.”
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Hi,
I thought this way too, I remember on road trips I
flipped the car radio to stop at a Christian station, realizing, in a second I would change the music. Couldn’t stand it.
I changed...
The immoral acts of BHO and Romney are going to keep coming up, you can’t separate them from our vote in November.
How we act morally and spiritually is going determine the
future. The 40/50 years of mocking God is up, His hand
is about to fall.
Turn to Christ, to the Father and only look to Them. Two
ungodly men will not help this country.
Here’s a short but not sweet message from Heaven. Heaven
knows. Look at the first prophecy, summer is almost over
and we are experiencing the worst drought in decades.
Now, the second prophecy, it’s so dire, put some necessities
aside, have faith. God will multiply even if you can only
buy a few items. You showed faith.
He has waited for our return, this judgment may no longer
be put off?? ...so that means it truly is close.
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message to Jennifer
5/22/12
7:43 PM
My child, I say to My children that mankind relies too much upon himself and it is there that you become the victim of your own sinfulness. Heed to the Commandments My children for they are your entrance into the kingdom.
I weep today My children but it is those who are failing to heed to My warnings that will weep tomorrow. The winds of spring will turn into the rising dust of summer as the world will begin to look more like a desert.
Before mankind is able to change the calendar of this time you will have witnessed the financial collapse. It is only those who heed to My warnings that will be prepared. The North will attack the South as the two Koreas become at war with each other.
Jerusalem will shake, America will fall and Russia will unite with China to become Dictators of the new world. I plead in warnings of love and mercy for I am Jesus and the hand of justice is soon to prevail.
I would resolve the problem in a way that has not been used before.
The one useful debate in the 2012 cycle was the one at the Palmetto Freedom Forum in Columbia, SC, on or about 9/4/11 and hosted by Senator Jim DeMint in South Carolina. Each candidate was sequestered in a separate "green room" and not allowed to hear the responses of the other candidates. There was no opportunity for smart-assing one another on stage. Each candidate came out on stage alone to be questioned. The panel doing the questioning included substantive folks not enemies from the lame stream media. One questioner (on social issues) was Professor Robert George of Princeton University, perhaps the most distinguished academic in the US on such issues.
The other questioners were Iowa US Representative Steve King and Senator DeMint, fine men both but I think officeholders and politicians should NOT be questioners. Most have alliances. I would look for other panel members to be folks who are not politicians but, like Professor George, serious public policy experts. Examples: Victor Davis Hanson of the Hoover Institute on foreign and military policy and a Peter Schiff on economics and tax policy. It should be clearly understood that the questioners MUST be even-handed even with those with whom they disagree. OTOH, they should not be bashful as to rigorously testing the intellectual and policy bona fides of each candidate. For example, Professor George's questions surprisingly led even so experienced a debater as Newt Gingrich to understand that his pro-life position and those of Gingrich's faith were not identical. Gingrich. to his credit, then conceded that he would modify his stand accordingly to conform with his faith.
I can imagine similar intellectual experiences occurring under the questioning of Peter Schiff and/or Victor Davis Hanson. The specific identities of the questioners are not as important as are their objectivity, conservative commitment, fairness, intellect, policy literacy and questioning skill. If Bill Buckley were alive and in his prime, he would be an ideal moderator. Perhaps Larry Arnn, president of Hillsdale College might moderate.
Conservatives and their organizations must commit to certain propositions. First, full participation in such a debate or debates is mandatory for any candidate seeking conservative support for the GOP POTUS nomination. We must not support anyone ducking the debate.
Second, such a defining debate or debates must be very early in the process (July 4, 2015 or so).
Third, some of the questioning should be general and submitted to each candidate in advance:
A. For example: Why do you seek the presidency? Why are you a conservative? Why are you a Republican? What can you do better as POTUS than other available candidates? What are the strengths and weaknesses (both of them) of the POTUS you seek to succeed? What qualities are most important for public leadership? Why will your supporters see your presidency as a defining moment in their and this nation's life? What do you say to convince us as conservatives that you are the candidate who can develop a 50-state organization led by talented people of experience to run your "ground war," raise the funds necessary to fund your air war WITHOUT compromising your integrity, deal with and overcome the character assassination that is sure to be launched against you as GOP nominee by the moneyed liberals in the GOP process and the Demonrats thereafter?
Cheering sections should be prohibited. An audience is not necessary in the studio. No post debate spin room allowed at the facility. No audio-visual aids.
Try to make this sort of vetting process the standard for choosing our candidate.
Take control of RNC and change the rules to put a stop to front loading the process with mushball moderate states. Also, require each state party to register voters as Republicans (regardless of statutes) and limit the primary and caucus voting to registered Republicans. It is our party and registration is a minimal requirement to choose its candidates. If necessary, the GOP should pay its own expenses for its candidate selection process and set an example for others. If state laws disagree with party rules, the SCOTUS ruled in 1972 that party rules take precedence over statute (so long as not for excluding racial minorities) in a case involving challenges to Mayor Daley the Elder's Illinois delegation to that year's convention.
Change the culture of the GOP so that any attempt ala Romney to use anonymous money by the oceanful to flood the airwaves, stifle his opponents' ability to even buy airtime and to fund the waging of a relentless campaign of lies and character assassination should bring disrepute upon such a candidate equivalent to being caught red-handed molesting a child.
We also need to organize conservatives on the ground throughout the nation, serving as GOP precinct committee members, GOP county committee members, training our folks in election tactics, GOTV tactics, obligations of election officials, battling absentee and early ballot abuse, generating letters to the editor, fighting vote fraud, organizing tactics, causing conservatives to socialize together, coordinating with TEA Party folks, gun owners, veterans, fraternal groups, pro-lifers, church folks, small business owners, socially conservative union members, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, voter outreach, youth, elderly, folks who have (like Sarah Palin) had enough with corruption (no matter which party is at fault), getting out our own absentee votes, and, above all, relentless voter registration of friendly voters.
We should also let our candidates know that they should refuse to submit to MSM debates run by our enemies. They need us. We do NOT need them.
I could go on forever but I won't. We need a new blueprint as a movement and we need a new movement. Others should feel free to suggest other ideas.
God bless you and yours! Likewise to all those pinged.
I was TOLD repeatedly by several posters that it was not POLITICS but MORMONISM of the candidate that was the issue, with tons of scripture and doctrine held up as evidence.
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While all along it was TOLD repeatedly by several posters that it was not the MORMONISM but the POLITICS of the candidate Willard that was the issue, with tons of videos and documention held up as evidence.
Your “secular, extremely political liberal Jew” parents would just love Willards politics...
so why are you agreeing with your parents ???
I may not always agree with you but the story you have posted makes me, at least, glad you are among us. I also agree that the religious arguments belong in the Religion Forum. I don’t envy JimRob in his task of refereeing this stuff.
Excellent, excellent post. I am starting to despair, however, of the GOP ever listening to its base, its backbone, and instituting the change necessary to satisfy us.
The party left us. It’s time for a new one, built for the right reasons, to attract the right candidates, and hopefully save our great country.
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