HMMmm...
Posted on 08/11/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Except for his unfortunate go along to get along support of TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending and the increased credit limit, etc, Ryan is a pretty good choice. Probably the best choice of the RINOS that were on Romney's short list. I support Ryan for the vice presidency. Wish he were at the top of the ticket, though.
But I still cannot and will not support the grand father of ObamaCare. Romney still loves and brags about his bastard brainchild, RomneyCare, even today when he knows what an anti-liberty socialist POS it is.
And the fact that he advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America for over three decades of his adult lifetime and even advocated that Roe v Wade should be supported and sustained as settled law precludes any consideration whatsoever by this pro-life Christian for Myth Romney for the presidency.
And the fact that he boasted that he would be better for "gay rights" than Ted Kennedy, and proved it just increases my resistance.
That, and his penchant for gun control, his continuing support for global warming, gays in the scouts, gays in the military, and his record of appointing liberal judges makes it all but impossible for me to support him.
Lastly, we're having a bit of changeover on our moderator staff. At least two moderators resigned this afternoon after I flatly refused to rein in a so-called anti-Mormon "bigot" on FR. Well, if being in opposition to false prophets and false prophecy makes a Christian believer a bigot, then I guess I'm a bigot. I've posted before that I flat do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Nor do I believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. The Christian bible warns us to be weary of false prophets and that I am. Romney being the presumptive Republican nominee does not change that fact.
..Politics and Religion don’t mix...
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trebb, what do the libs and atheists say...do not speak of God remember “separation of Church and State.” No way, where does our goodness, our virtue come from? How about those lyrics, God bless America?
We’re very close to God’s just judgment for abortion.
And look at the two vile men running for leader of this nation. How scary, do not ignore the Youtubes, his own words, Romney praising his own mother for her support of abortion!!
Then, he follows her example, and for what, to get elected
in Massachusetts.
And BHO is Herod!!
God has already spoken - we WILL fall into a cesspool and Satan WILL have even greater sway until such time as Jesus steps back down to Earth to set it right. We can't stop it.
That said, we are Earthly creatures and suffer the worldly ills so we actually care about our government. I can see where Christians do not want Romney, but I can't see how they consider Obama an alternative. Obama PUSHES for abortion and killing of babies (even those that survive the operation) while Romney says he supports the right of folks to choose but thinks Roe vs. Wade should be overturned. Not the best of credentials but it is a far cry from Obama's goals. At least Romney wants to leave it to the People and that is closer to God's design of Free Will than Obama's insistence that the Government makes the dcision. Romney supports the Constitution that our God-fearing Founders gave us much more that Obama and his ilk. I vote Romney to give America a chance - the saving of souls is a personal reltionship between Jesus and the Individual - not a function of who we elect. Insistence on Christian purism in politicians is not such a far cry from those who want Sharia - both become secular forms of Government.
And just what LANGUAGE do you read it in?
Septuagint ...
HMMmm...
Exactly! Obama acts as if he already sports Satan's mark. Romney is about as "perfect" as the average Christian which is a lot better than what can be said for Obama. Those running on "pure Christian principles" forget their own foibles. Even Paul, who had met the risen Jesus face-to-face and who became a Spirit-driven advocate of the New Covenant, was anguished and lamented that he "Did not that which he would do and did that which he would not do". If he could not do as Jesus commanded, then how can we expect anyone (especially a politician) to do better?
I distinguish between "the lesser of two evils" and act accordingly. Many here would leave Satan in power even if voting for an imperfect and "evil" man would unseat the Prince of Darkness.
God Bless
“No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.” – Thomas Jefferson - Bill for Religious Freedom – passed in 1786 by the Virginia General Assembly, one of only three accomplishments that Jefferson put in his epitaph.
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
MORMONism's Fore Fathers are now spinning in their graves, over the FACT that Men from high above SLC decided that...
...men should be Free to worship as they wished.
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
And the NARROW gate is set in ROME??
Sorry to get into this so late, but, I have been waffling of late following the Ryan pick. JimRob has returned me firmly to the Romney/Obama are not alternatives camp. They are the same choice.
The Republican leadership is at one with the Democrat leadership. Both parties are without Constitutional merit. Both are unutterably corrupt. Both are working for the same goals.
Electing Romney postpones the inevitable. With Obama we have a clear and precise enemy. He can be defeated, not at the polls but in the Congress and the courts. A veto proof Senate, almost a certainty, will guarantee Obama’s impeachment, trial and conviction on charges of sedition and as an enemy of the state. He deserves nothing less.
That is the only worthwhile outcome from the fiasco in which we are embroiled.
Electing Romney accomplishes nothing. It does not save the Constitution. It does not roll back abortion. It does not reduce the size and scope of government. It does not end Obamacare. It does not even save the economy, a shibboleth of the ABO crowd.
I have not missed a national election since 1960 but I am going to sit this one out. The only choices are bad and worse in no particular order.
If our Founders took the same stances as myth we would not be a FREE nation.
Mormons believe in many things that are antithetical to our Christian belief - all the while maintaining that they themselves are the "super Christian" (and yes I can provide a quote by an LDS Freeper who said exactly that)
If we left their version of God unchallenged, if we left their ideas of heaven unchallenged, it would signal our acceptance. Thomas Jefferson obviously thought it important that free argument of our beliefs not be impinged. JimRob is allowing argument to maintain our opinion of OUR religion on his site in a truly Jeffersonian spirit. Those of you who wish to deny us that right should ask themselves why and to what ends.
We do not need to go to the Religion Forum to get “five different” answers from you SF, we’ve already gotten dozens of different answers here on this thread.
It makes me wonder how we’ll react to such a pecking order. Will we be ashamed? Will we be envious or others’ rewards? Will we simply celebrate the rewards that others get?
That verse sounds like this to me: “Well done, good and faithful servant, but don’t get too comfortable here because we have ANOTHER round of judgments coming up.”
I truly hope I’m reading into it things that aren’t there, b/c it sounds we can’t relax for a microsecond, even in the millennial kingdom due to yet another series of judgments coming down on us. Basically it seems like until we make it into the New Heaven and New Earth, we could still not make the cut.
To “our” “Christian beliefs” or just to yours? IMO, most if not all religions and sects claim superiority over others – if they didn’t, then why and how could they hold to their beliefs or claim they are right in their beliefs and even attempt to get anyone to convert? Personally, I don’t care one wit if Mormons claim superiority in their religious beliefs any more than I care that Protestants or Catholics, Hindus, Buddhist, Jews, etc. even Mormons, Unitarians, Scientologist, Mennonites, Amish, Unitariarians, Agnostics and Atheists do the same. In the realm of the free market of ideas and the constitutionally protected Right of Freedom of Religion, it is up to each individual to choose their own belief system.
You and JR certainly do not speak for me and I seriously doubt you speak unilaterally for all “Christians” or for that matter, all conservatives or for that matter, all Freepers.
If Free Republic really wants to cast its self as primarily a “religious site” and not a political site, then so be it, but if that then is the case, and FR can and will define who and who is not “religious” and by that litmus test, who is and is not “conservative”, and by that definition as to who can post here; then fine, but then let’s not for one minute claim that FR is the “Premier Site for Conservative Activism” as there are a good number of conservatives who do not fit your and JR’s rather narrow definition of “Conservatism” based on solely on religion.
If we left their version of God unchallenged, if we left their ideas of heaven unchallenged, it would signal our acceptance. Thomas Jefferson obviously thought it important that free argument of our beliefs not be impinged. JimRob is allowing argument to maintain our opinion of OUR religion on his site in a truly Jeffersonian spirit. Those of you who wish to deny us that right should ask themselves why and to what ends.
You really don’t get it. Thomas Jefferson had no problem with anyone practicing or expressing their own personal religious or even their non-religious beliefs, but Jefferson also did not believe in any sort of religious litmus test for holding public office or that it had any place in political discourse or forcing by law, adherence to any free citizen, the prevailing religious belief.
I ask you what exactly is “OUR” and JR’s “official” religion on FR? Can politically conservative Catholics, Mormons, Buddhists, Hindus, Agnostic or Atheists like me have a place here if we don’t attend and subscribe to your and JR’s church? Have we no voice?
colorcountry, the reply to you in this post by MD Expat in PA, is a perfect example of what you were talking about. I repeated this line in bold, to remind readers of this thread your point, in post #4,631.
The biggest belief that is OURS (Judea-Christian) is ONE GOD Eternal.
Now if someone professes to believe in Christianity yet espouses a belief that there are MANY Gods, and that yes, YOU YOURSELF may certainly one day become God of your own planet, I think we should be able to argue against that.
And obviously so does Jim Rob.
Since the mormons go around claiming that all of Christianity is apostate, we have a say. Denomination doesn't matter, they lump all of us into the apostate category. Ergo, we have a "right" to rebut their claims.
"... but Jefferson also did not believe in any sort of religious litmus test for holding public office or that it had any place in political discourse or forcing by law, adherence to any free citizen, the prevailing religious belief."
This applies to the government, not so-called "free" citizens. The government cannot apply eligibilty requirements for office that include religion. Moslems who meet the eligibility requirements for President can run just like any other religion. How do you feel about that? Since many of us here on FR view islam as a political idealogy wrapped in a cloak of religion, it's a direct threat to our Constitutional Republic. Are you really sure you want to go down this path? Have you ever stated that we need to "get rid of this moslem marxist"?
Me? You? CC? We can apply whatever litmus test to any candidate to elected office we want. Hell, everyone of us does it. Is the candidate liberal enough? Are they conservative enough? Do they believe in abortion? Do they subscribe to 2nd Amendment? And on and on, etc.
If I am of opinion that Jim Jones is a freakin' looney tune because of his "religion" and how he practices it, I am free to say so and to deny him my vote.
Ain't freedom grand?
Romney was never my choice, but I do believe he will sign the repeal obamacare and it will be replaced with market driven solutions. The Tea Party has done a great job of getting conservatives on the ballot and in the House and Senate. I think that presence will grow. As a result it will be impossible for Romney to be a successful POTUS without their support. Romney will sign the bills a conservative House and less liberal Senate will send him. obama will not sign those blls and will continue to "rule by fiat".
Also, I think Ryan is a solid conservative on social issues as well as fiscal issues. Romney has shown good management skills by picking one of the intellectual leaders of the Pubs and I believe a willingness to pursue conservative solutions.
Finally, if R&R win Ryan becomes the most likely candidate in 2020. We have not had a conservative POTUS since Reagan, (Bush was more of a blue dog Rat), because the primaries are front end loaded with moderate/liberal states and consrvatives are such purists we are our own worst enemies and can never get behind a single conservative candidate.
I'm not happy with Romney, but I'll take a moderate over a radical socialist especially when repealing obamacare is at stake.
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