All European Life Died In Auschwitz

Israel Science and Technology Homepage ^ | November 21, 2004 | Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez

[FARS]

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz.

We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

PROPOSED Constitutional Amendment to avoid encountering this situation in the USA:

28th Consitutional Amendment

[OldFriend]

It is always about finding a scapegoat to blame for their own failures. Never assuming responsibility for the situation but making excuses, blaming others, etc.

Nothing has changed.

The jewish people are a passive minority and the perfect target. It can and will happen again.

[Man50D]

Again, please cite the places or sites where we all can see your data. An inventory list of the weapons is not ANY proof of intent to harm others.

You can't see the forest for the trees. They did more than intend to use them. They used their weapons against BATF!

[Man50D]

That's one of the more absurd things I've seen posted here lately.
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I suppose the large cache of weapons many FReepers own means they are willing to kill anyone who is not a member

You obviously didn't bother to read the link The Waco Davidian Standoff. A passage from the article states:

Koresh's leadership of the Davidians began with violence. A gun battle in 1987 between Koresh (assisted by 7 heavily armed followers) and a rival leader George Roden Jr. led to his trial for attempted murder. But the jury deadlocked and prosecutors chose not to retry Koresh. Texas prosecutor Denise Wilkerson observed at the time that David Koresh "was building an arsenal" and "preparing for a battle with someone."

Koresh was extremely violent by nature. Combine this with weapons such as multiple machine guns, assault rifles and a rocket shell and the end result is not only someone who intends to use them but will use them, in his case against the BATF!

All this ignores the fact they were producing weapons illegally as evident by the lathes, milling equipment and tooling machinery found at the compound used to convert assault rifles to automatic weapons.

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[freeangel]

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[walden]

"The large cache of weapons they acquired and used proves they were willing to kill anyone who was not a member."

This is absolute hogwash. I know a LOT of people who enjoy shooting, many of whom participate in competitive recreational shooting events, and you would be absolutely stunned at the number and variety of weapons that many of them own. You would be even more stunned at their proficiency with those weapons.

A weapon is just an inanimate object, neither intrinsically good nor intrinsically evil. Possession of such items does not, in itself, demonstrate evil intent on the part of the owner, no matter how many of them he or she owns.

[kronos77]

Auschwitz was not German's fault, not even Nazi's fault, it was European fault, Europe murdered 6. million people, germans were just executioners. None gave damn about Jews, not n Moscow, not in Paris, not in Washington, no one. Not then not now. If Israel didn't had nukes, I believe that Europeans would invade Israel just to appease Muslims.

[john drake]

Please explain as to why the Spanish Monarchy chose to banish the Jews once it finally defeated and kicked out the muslims. Was it two for the price of one? Was it anti-Semitism? Were the Jews somehow perceived to be, or actually collaborating with the muslims and thought to be, in the end, equally at odds with Spain? I am not familiar with this aspect of the history of their expulsion.

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

"We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims."

The Nazis killed 12 million in the camps, not 6 million as here cited. About 1/2 were jewish the balance were Christians and other groups targeted by the Nazis for elimination.

Howver, Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez is right about the Muslims. You kill your bankers, doctors, scientists for racial purity and replace them with violent street thugs. Brave new world.

[Man50D]

This is absolute hogwash. I know a LOT of people who enjoy shooting, many of whom participate in competitive recreational shooting events, and you would be absolutely stunned at the number and variety of weapons that many of them own. You would be even more stunned at their proficiency with those weapons.

A weapon is just an inanimate object, neither intrinsically good nor intrinsically evil. Possession of such items does not, in itself, demonstrate evil intent on the part of the owner, no matter how many of them he or she owns.

Read posts 85 and 103.

[Basheva]

France did have a resistance movement made up of everyday courageous citizens. But as a country France was entirely complicit with the Nazis.

France willingly rounded up its Jewish citizens and turned them over by the hundreds of thousands to the Nazis. They even did this in Algeria (a French colony) though the Nazis didn't ask them to do it there.

France (Vichy) also refused to turn over its fleet to the Allies and was prepared to give it to the Germans. We had to destroy that fleet when we really could have used it.

France has little to be proud of in the Second WW. Now, little Denmark - protected its Jewish citizens, even the King wearing a Star of David on his coat.

Norway was another complicit country - and of course - Italy, too. Hungary helped the Nazis round up its Jewish citizens. Ditto Greece - the ancient Jewish population in Salonika was entirely wiped out.

Europe as a whole has little to be proud of.

Let's remember that Europe's killing of six million Jews is only the tail end of a horrible history of anti-semitism going back for almost 2000 years - years of forced conversions, Inquisitions, repeated Expulsions (Spain, Portugal, England, France, Germany, Russia), Ghettoizations, and crippling economic and religious bigotry.

Whatever the Jews accomplished in Europe was despite the odds against them. Think of what they could have accomplished had the Europeans provided a truly happy environment.

And to this day - anti-semitism is on the rise in Europe. Jews in France , Norway, Sweden and Germany, live in fear.

[Myrddin]

I understand your meaning, but for the young demographic to gain that experience, what wretchedness will we all have to go through?

George Santayana, a notable philosopher, coined the phrase, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

A more thorough study of history would help us avoid having to relive the mistakes. That won't be enough. There is a clear divide between conservatives and liberals. Each sees history from a different point of view. When the balance of power falls to the group that chooses to ignore history, we have to learn the lessons through painful experience again.

We're on another "pain cycle" with Democrats in the House and Senate. The young were "educated" by the left who conveniently omitted teaching about the effects of having leftists in power. They are also omitting the horrific history of Islamic armies taking over the Middle East, northern Africa, Spain and parts of India. They omit the destruction of 30,000 Christian churches in the Middle East and Africa alone. They lionize the "offense" of "Islamophobia". They omit the offense to Jews and Christians over putting the Al Aqsa mosque on top of the temple mount. They omit the offense to Hindus to have Islamic mosques built on top of their religious structures in India. The bias is calculated. The consequences are predictable.

[Nowhere Man]

Actually, Andy Warhol is from here in Pittsburgh. Every once in a while when a local station covers the Andy Warhol museum here, you see his brother pop up.

[MarkL]

I guess I should have been more clear on one thing... I was not blaming all of Europe for the holocaust. I was blaming all of Europe for allowing NAZI Germany to grow militarily until they were nearly able to take over the world. Frankly, I believe that if it weren't for Hilter's breaking his non-aggression pact with Stalin in 1941, he would have eventually been able to "break" Great Britain during the "Blitz." Operation Barbarossa opened a new front for NAZI Germany, which sapped resources from the fight against GB.

It was NAZI Germany that DID all the horrid things against humanity, murdering over 12 million people, however, had Europe not allowed NAZI Germany to grow into the military power, the holocaust may never have happened, outside of Germany's borders.

Mark

[Nowhere Man]

Auschwitz was not German's fault, not even Nazi's fault, it was European fault, Europe murdered 6. million people, germans were just executioners. None gave damn about Jews, not n Moscow, not in Paris, not in Washington, no one. Not then not now. If Israel didn't had nukes, I believe that Europeans would invade Israel just to appease Muslims.

Yeah, you're right, we in America had the chance to save 937 Jews when the St. Louis came off the Florida coast from Germany but we did not take them in. At first FDR was somewhat suppoortive of asylum until the Southern Democrats said they would withraw support in the 1940 election if he went through with is so FDR backed off. It's a shame he did, although 937 lives is a drop in a bucket as compared to 10 million (6 million Jews, 4 million others), at least there would be satisfaction of doing the right thing on our conscience if we did proceed to take them in. Eventually, the UK, France, Holland and Belgium took a lot of them in, but many of them still found there way to the death camps, probably as the result of the Nazis invsding and occupying the latter three nations.

[Richard Kimball]

First of all, you obviously put a lot of thought into your post. Thanks for that. I'm impressed that you thought enough of mine to put that much effort into a reply.

Not that long ago I had a funny discussion with a Mormon girl and boy from the US who came here to southern Germany to "evangelize" me. They even learned German to find new lambs for their church. Being brainwashed with their (to me) strange ideology and religion they were unable to understand that nearly nobody (including me) was really interested into their message. Two strange birds. Probably you will find yourself in the same situation like them if you argue with other Europeans on your basis and your conviction.

I wasn't evangelizing you, it was an observation. I don't argue with people about their faith, or try to convert someone who isn't looking for an an answer. Usually, if I go on a mission trip, I go to a third world country. I also don't tell people how to run their sex lives. As to the Mexicans overrunning Texas, yeah, and some of them married into my family, and I'm part Indian. I've got three kids and my brother has five, so we're doing our part, as best we can. I also find your post curious, because I rechecked my initial post, and I said NOTHING about religion, yet your response to me is full of references to Mormonism, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. and indicating that I'm trying to force some religious dogma on you. While faith is part of it, I was thinking more about what I perceive as a general European indifference to children. I saw a European ad, for example, that showed a young boy running around making problems in a store, tearing things up, stepping on people's feet, etc., and at the end, it was an advertisment for birth control. It was supposed to be cute and funny, but I think it's indicative of the European attitude towards children. I would agree with you that this is a problem in some parts of the US, also. In San Francisco, for example, I've read several articles where the author laments there are no children playing on the playscapes there. They don't want to have kids, they just want them playing in the background when they walk by (probably ethnically diverse kids, kind of like an ad for Microsoft, but with little kids instead of adults).

Nevertheless you do not understand anything about art. Art is more than a reduced primitivism that produces cute pictures. If you like such than you have to go to North Korea.

Well, my degree is in Art, but you may be right. I suppose I always lumped Warhol into the European thought process because I consider him the ideological heir of Marcel Duchamp. Most of the things after Dada, the artists were seriously trying to make Art. IMHO, Warhol was the same type of con man, who kind of threw something out there and dared people not to call it Art. Nevertheless, most of my art instructors despaired over my dislike of the "great" artists of the twentieth century. My personal favorites are Kay Nielson, Andrew Wyeth, Howard Pyle, Frank Frazetta, ancient Greek sculpture, Norman Rockwell, Carl Barks (the Disney artist that did the Uncle Scrooge comics), Michelangelo, Gianlorenzo Bernini, and the photographers Margaret Bourke-White, Weegee and Vincent LaForet. There are others, of course, but the Abstract Expressionists, Modernists, Pop artists and the shock artists leave me cold. Most of my instructors pronounced me hopelessly middle class, so you could be right about me knowing nothing about art. However, I know what I like, and I have studied enough to pick up on the underlying ideologies of the various genres. I also do like primitivism, if it's real and not faked. Patchwork quilts, American folk art, some South American folk art, yeah, I can dig that. Never been to Korea, so couldn't comment on the work you mention.

Oh well - My granddad shot down quite a few US-bombers (and also machines from the UK) over Germany in late WWII with his Focke-Wulf and left a real mountain of American corpses.

You are aware the Americans had an answer for that:

[Alexander Rubin]

Yep. 3 million Russians. 1 million Poles. 500, 000 Gypsies. And hundreds of thousands of others. And those are just the ones we know about.

[kronos77]

1,700,000 Yugoslavs, mostley Serbs.

[Alexander Rubin]

Lord Almighty. Never even heard of the Serbs. G-d rest their souls.

[kronos77]

"The crimes of the fascist Ustashe against the Serbs in the notorious camp of Jasenovac must be known - crimes that are the worst ones along with those committed against the Jews in the Holocaust." - Simon Wiesenthal

http://www.jasenovac.org/

Victim list of concentracion camp Jasenovac

https://cp13.heritagewebdesign.com/~lituchy/victimlist.php