Posted on 02/08/2008 9:56:11 AM PST by Cato Uticensis
Current mood: determined
So it's John McCain. OK.
The Republic of Utica will support John McCain and here's why-
I am NOT just thinking that someone with an "R" after my name be good and "D" be bad. That WOULD be dopey.
But, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, though I adore you both, it's equally dopey to say there isn't any difference between Hillary and McCain.
Let us remember the history of both McCain and Hillary, where each came from. Hillary came from that radical culture of the '60s that wanted to "bring the war home and kill our parents." In 1969, when the Manson Family killed Sharon Tate, a woman eight months pregnant, the SDS, a radical group that Hillary had some ties with, made guerilla theater celebrating this act, right down one of the women sticking her fork in Tate's pregnant belly and saying to Charlie, "look what I did for you." The SDS gave a three fingered "fork salute" to each other in remembrance of this act. The reason hippies like Hillary so loved Charles Manson was his violence in murdering of two middle class everyday American families. They dreamed of doing likewise on a grand scale.
Compare this with McCain, an honorably serving Navy Pilot who was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam. Pilots like McCain shot down early in the war were told of the acts of traitors like Hillary and John Kerry by the North Vietnamese (John McCain as a POW was treated to John Kerry's perjured, high-nasal "fashion reminiscent of Jhenjis Khan" speech) but they did not believe that Americans would act this way. They thought the North Vietnamese were making it up! How disappointing it must have been for them in 1973 to have discovered otherwise!
The three pillars of Reagan Conservatism are strong defense, Fiscal Conservatism and Social Conservatism. In the first John McCain gets 100%, A+. Of any candidate of either Party, he is, in fact, the best candidate for Commander-in-Chief of our military that we have running. After four years of being led by John McCain, we can reasonably expect our military to be strong and have high morale. They will be well taken care of. As veteran of the Clinton-era military, I remember how low morale was under the Slick One. We were short-handed and sick of being run by Political Correctness. As Commander-in-Chief, Hillary would make Bill look like Reagan. Her hatred for our soldiers runs very deep, and we can count on our military being in a complete shambles after four years of her.
Let us also remember that John McCain saved the day in Iraq. If not for him and Joe Lieberman, the al Qaeda Caliphate would be running Iraq right now courtesy of the Democratic Party. They came that close to selling our soldiers and our country down the river AGAIN, just like Vietnam. McCain stood in the gap for America against the Democrats.
For these actions McCain deserves our respect. If a Republican feels in principle that he or she cannot support McCain then let them do so respectfully and not with some of the insults I've seen. That's just plain wrong.
Yes, McCain on several matters of of Fiscal and Social Conservatism has been lacking. I do not propose that we forget this or turn a blind eye to it. However, right now McCain is openly courting us Conservatives. What I do propose is that, rather than ignore him, we answer him. We tell him that we are hearing his high sounding promises that he is making right now, and that we will hold him to them.
Remember the amnesty bill that was defeated? We promise to mke life uncomfortable for him like that if he forgets the promises he is making to Conservatives right now. We should be saying that we will hold him to every sweet promise he makes to us.
People have been calling McCain a traitor to the Republican Party. Well, he has had ample opportunity to royally screw the GOP and has never done so. I have been hearing people cite the rumor that McCain was wanted for Kerry's VP vandidate in 2004. This was a rumor. Let us remember that he campained for Bush that year, I attended a Bush rally and heard him speak at it. He never defected from a 50-50 Senate.
We can look at the glass as half empty or half full, people. Conservatives really do have an opportunity with John McCain. He needs us. And we do need him right now. He is the only one reaching out to us. Will we pout like children? Or will we go to the man and have our say?
John McCain has been on the side of freedom in the war against Asiatic tyranny that we now find ourselves in. Hillary, who no doubt had a Ho Chi Minh poster back in the '60s, has consistently been on the other side. It is prideful foolishness to say there is no difference between Hillary and McCain. McCain, for all that he has been misguided at times, is a patriot who loves this country. Who among us has given more than him for America? The choice is clear for Conservatives- we support McCain, we tell him also that if he forgets his promises to us when he is president that we will remind him in loud voices.
>> My dog John
ROFL! Your dog John is even worse than your wife (”Joan?”) on the other thread! If I were you, I’d sell the wife and dog, move somewhere, get a new identity...
Keep ‘em coming!
Thankyew!
“>> I didnt say he was a great candidate in any respect other than that of C-in-C.
Given his proclivity for crossing the aisle and “working with the other side” — damn the cost to the country (ref: CFR, shamnesty) — how long before he “forgets” his position on the WOT and withdraws his support for our troops and their mission?
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Yes, all the other things people have been saying about him are true, and I dont deny it. I believe we can hold him to his promises to be different. We stopped the Amensty, we can remind him if he strays.
But he has consistently been on the side of our soldiers. You cannot argue that point. Without McCain the Demos would have been successful in handing Iraq over to al Qaeda. I do not forsee him changing that. He is loyal to our military. Whatever else can truly be said about him, he doesnt stab our soldiers in the back. And I do not believe he would, no. With him we will have victory in Iraq, and that is very important to me, if not the only thing.
I may not agree with you in this matter, but I love your Kennedy tagline!
I’m too calm to vote, I’m feeling sleepy, very sleepy.
Ya I could flame ya but Im not gonna. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I am however tired of compromising my principles for “the good of the party” The “party” has done nothing but screw me over repeatedly. So you go ahead and fall in line, vote for who they tell you to vote for and pretend you matter. I for one have had enough and I am sick to death of having to choose between the lesser of 2 evils. In this case there is no difference at all worth mentioning. Sorry but McCains words ring hollow and untruthful. Go shill for him elsewhere please.
Best tagline I've seen.
“Ya I could flame ya but Im not gonna.”
thank you.
“You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.”
On that we agree entirely.
“I am however tired of compromising my principles for “the good of the party” The “party” has done nothing but screw me over repeatedly. So you go ahead and fall in line, vote for who they tell you to vote for and pretend you matter. “
read my words again. I do not propose falling in line or compromising our principles. I am totally in favor of Conservatives watching McCain and holding him to his promises. I am not gonna stick my head in the sand. No way. I am unhappy like you about many of the things he has done in the times past. I do not say we forget that. You misunderstand me if you think that’s what I’m saying.
John Mclaim - the Snitch of Hotel Hanoi... a posuer.. phoney.. fake.. shill.. weasle.. Trojan Horse carrying even worse “handlers”..
>> With him we will have victory in Iraq, and that is very important to me, if not the only thing.
Success in the WOT is the most important thing to me as well.
But I still have serious doubts about whether McCain will hold the line against enormous pressure to cut and run — pressure he’ll get from his own State Department, the left-of-center cabinet he is certain to appoint, and his “friends” in the Senate, among others.
And... the WOT is the most important issue, but not the only important issue by far. What if we hold the line against terrorists, only to watch McCain rape us and pillage internally by trampling on our Bill of Rights, raising our taxes, handing our country to Mexico at OUR expense, ruining our economy by worshipping at the Church of Global Warmism, and so forth. These are not hypotheticals! HE HAS TOLD US HE WILL DO THEM, AND IN MANY CASES, PROVEN IT. ALREADY.
Furthermore, as another poster pointed out — it’ll be easier for a fired-up citizenry and GOP congress to thwart an out-of-control POTUS from the other side than it will be for the same opponents to thwart the excesses of a Dim POTUS.
Furthermore, as yet another poster pointed out, McCain will redefine what “conservative” is — even while taking the country down the sewerpipe with his insane policies. So the next “go-around”, the mess will be blamed on “conservatism” and we’ll have an even MORE liberal government.
No thank you.
I put that incorrectly. I meant to say,
it’ll be easier for a fired-up citizenry and GOP congress to thwart an out-of-control POTUS from the other side than it will be for the same opponents to thwart the missteps of a POTUS from their own party.
Who in the Senate and Congress will be “McCain’s Maverick”?
Who will oppose him when he works with the Dims and the NYT, who will trash him daily and drive down his numbers?
Who will do unto him, as he has done unto others?
He has slashed and trashed the Pres, VP, and the DOD, in public for years, and only since beginning his run has used the caveat of no surrender in Iraq.
Why would he not surrender, after spending years deliberately trying to sabotage support, ie, flirting with Kerry for VP, implying Kerry would make a good CIC?
No, he will leave Iraq, ASAP.
“John Mclaim - the Snitch of Hotel Hanoi... a posuer.. phoney.. fake.. shill.. weasle.. Trojan Horse carrying even worse “handlers”..”
this is disgraceful
I respect the others who voiced honest disagreement with McCain. But you should be ashamed of yourself for saying THIS.
“>> With him we will have victory in Iraq, and that is very important to me, if not the only thing.
Success in the WOT is the most important thing to me as well.
But I still have serious doubts about whether McCain will hold the line against enormous pressure to cut and run — pressure he’ll get from his own State Department, the left-of-center cabinet he is certain to appoint, and his “friends” in the Senate, among others.
And... the WOT is the most important issue, but not the only important issue by far. What if we hold the line against terrorists, only to watch McCain rape us and pillage internally by trampling on our Bill of Rights, raising our taxes, handing our country to Mexico at OUR expense, ruining our economy by worshipping at the Church of Global Warmism, and so forth. These are not hypotheticals! HE HAS TOLD US HE WILL DO THEM, AND IN MANY CASES, PROVEN IT. ALREADY.”
Yes, he has been very misguided on the issues you name. Right now he is promising lower taxes and not to have amnesty. I believe we can hold him to it. McCain-Feingold was ridiculous, but it is really a big nothing. All we did was create 527s on both sides and go around it. Yes, it was garbage. But what did it substantially change?
Yeah, I give you the Global Warming, I hate that crap.
McCain is a patriot who is misguided on some things. Hillary wants to burn the house down. I’ll take the man who is family, even if he is messed up in some ways, over the enemy who hates us.
I don’t think McCain will redefine Conservatism either. Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and Bush 41 didn’t. And I think we can all agree that these presidents were far preferable to their opponents.
The snitch of Hotel Hanoi is the same snitch of the Senate.. You know the democrats snitch.. One russian interogator of the pilots in Vietnam documented this.. and worse that Mclaim worked with the enemys.. in Vietnam..
John Mclaim is a WORSE traitor than John Kerry..
“The snitch of Hotel Hanoi is the same snitch of the Senate.. You know the democrats snitch.. One russian interogator of the pilots in Vietnam documented this.. and worse that Mclaim worked with the enemys.. in Vietnam..
John Mclaim is a WORSE traitor than John Kerry..”
PROVE IT
Nobody.. Geotge Bush fractured the republican party on purpose and mclaim is picking up the pieces..
Mclaim-Feingold.. There is a thread on FR that highlights by a russian interrogator (in Vietnam) mclaims choice treatment.. and collaboration...
I’m not arguing McCain-Feingold, I hate it too.
If you want me to believe that McCain betrayed in Hanoi, I want irrefutable proof of this.
One man’s word isn’t enough, either. Plenty of pilots with McCain in Hanoi said he behaved honorably. I trust them over a Soviet politcal interogator.
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