Posted on 11/07/2008 11:00:42 AM PST by big black dog
For some reason this issue with Obama’s birth certificate will not fade away. There seems to be a nagging belief by many that he is not a natural born citizen of this country and is therefore not qualified to be president. Critics of those that continue to hang onto this theory simply swat away these suggestions as racist (I know, shocking) and coming from people that don’t want to see a half black dude in the White house.
One tiny little bit of information, that you will never find in the lamestream media, seems to point to the fact that those that doubt Obama’s citizenship status just might be on to something.
Back in April of ‘08 highly partisan Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a staunch and fervent supporter of Barack Obama, inexplicably introduced Senate Resolution 511 a resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. She was joined by five other Democratic senators including Barack Obama in an effort to push this bill through the senate. The original text of this bill read:
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110th CONGRESS
2d Session
S. RES. 511
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
April 10, 2008
Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
RESOLUTION
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved,That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
At first blush one may think “big deal” but read it again and see what these five Democrats were really trying to accomplish.
a)Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States
b)Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;
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Now why would five Democratic senators including the one running for president bother drafting a resolution declaring their Republican opponent eligible for office while carefully crafting the bill to be accepting of someone born outside of the U.S. and perhaps NOT a natural born citizen to also be eligible to hold the office of president if elected? Hmmmmmm?
It seems clear to me what they were attempting to accomplish especially with statement “b” and that was to declare Obama eligible for the office of president even if he wasn’t born here or qualified as a “natural born” citizen.
There was no need to issue this resolution for McCain as he was already known to have been born at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama which was under U.S. control at the time of his birth. His father was naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. McCain was cleared to run for president in 2000 based on this information so there was no reason for McCaskill and her pals to introduce the resolution except as cover for Obama in the event he was indeed elected as president.
Subject: an email I received
Look at THESE — Exhibits in Berg’s case — affidavit signed Oct 27th.
FYI, only the “staying” of the election has been denied by Justice Souter. The Writ has not, so the case proceeds.
The next deadline is Dec 1 by which defendants must “answer”, and then Berg can answer their answer.
What is really HHHHOOOOTTTTT is the two Affidavits. These should make you very happy, especially tonight.
Here is the long-awaited statement from the Kenyan grandmother that he was born in Kenya. The two affidavits, from the Reverend and the Bishop. This is what Berg was waiting for, as he stated in an interview a week or so ago.
Also, there are exhibits that were puzzling to me, until I read them. The first, a newsletter from 2004, in pdf — if you search for “obama” you see his mug smiling and the notation that he was born in a hospital there in Hawaii.
The other pdf, from the Star Bulletin, says he was born in a different hospital.
Somewhere I heard, don’t remember where, that one of the two different hospitals claimed wasn’t even BUILT yet when he was born.
U.S. Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari and Application for Stay of the Presidential Election
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Attached is the complete U. S. Supreme Court filing with exhibits and affadavits:
U.S. Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari – PDF (202 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/U_20S_20Supreme_20Court_20Writ_20of_20Certiorari10_30_08.pdf
Exhibit Charter Schools Rainbow Edition Newsletter – PDF (658 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/Exhibit_20Charter_20Schools_20Rainbow_20Edition_20Newsletter.pdf
Exhibit The Star Bulletin – Obama born in different hostpital – PDF (43 KB) <http://comments.blogware.com/Exhibit_20Star_20Bulletin_20Obama_20born_20in_20different_20hostpital.pdf
Exhibit Plaintiff Request for Admissions to Obama – PDF (80 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/Exhibit_20Plaintiff_20Request_20for_20Admissions_20to_20Obama.pdf
Application to Justice David H. Souter for a stay of the Presidential Elections and/or a Temp. Injunction staying the Presidential Election pending resolution of the Writ of Certiorari – PDF (206 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/Application_20to_20Justice_20David_20H._20Souter_20for_20stay.pdf
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae – PDF (3707 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/Affidavit_20of_20Bishop_20Ron_20McRae.pdf
Exhibits for Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae – PDF (178 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/Exhibits_20for_20Affidavit_20of_20Bishop_20Ron_20McRae.pdf
Affidavit of Reverend Kweli Shuhubia – PDF (146 KB) http://comments.blogware.com/Affidavit_20of_20Reverend_20Kweli_20Shuhubia.pdf
This pdf says he was born in Kenya.
That's just one politician asking us to take the word of another politician. He's still refusing to show it directly to the people who matter.
Put another way, it's like the Chinese officials showing the IOC the girls gymnastics team's birth certificates, and then the IOC telling us that it looks okay to them.
Did that satisfy you about the girls' qualifications to compete?
-PJ
If Obama was indeed born in Kenya, which I doubt, he would stll seem to be covered by this:
"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) ... Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
I have a question that none of my friends have been able to answer. What happens, if we find out conclusively that he wasn’t eligible to be elected to POTUS, to any Bills that he signed? Will they still be considered to be legally passed and approved?
Those 5 years have to be over the age 16. His mother was 18 when she had him.
I am fairly certain Obama was born in Kenya. (Say 90%) There is a lot of evidence of this the primary one is not allowing any one to see the original COLB which has a Place of Birth line on it. (Also his African grandma said so).
According to the law in the books between 1952-1986...
If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.
She was 18 when she had Obama.
No matter what laws the ‘Rats try to craft to declare Obama a natural born citizen, they still cannot enact an ex post facto law because there WAS a law in place when Obama was born and that law specifically states the requirements.
MSM shilling and RACISM among blacks.
P.S. It’s not even a bill. It’s a resolution which has no weight in a court of law.
To be honest, I don’t know. I presume that it would take the form of some sort of impeachment, that the President would be forced to leave office but all prior work stands.
We’ll never know for sure. No court is ever going to take up this issue, and frankly no court ever should. Talk about judicial activism - overturning an election?
How about we start that rebuilding by first defending the words of the framers of our Constitution, and get to the bottom of this issue first, after all, isn't this what Constitutional Republicanism is all about??
What good is a brand if there is no viable product behind it??? The founders put those words in our Constitution for a purpose, and it could very well be that if we stand firmly on those words now, that we will save ourselves from insurmountable trouble down the road.
“If Barack was born in Kenya would that disqualify him for President?”
Yes. Under the laws at the time of Obama’s birth, in order to be a “natural born citizen” one must have been born in a US territory or state, OR if outside the US, at least one parent must have been a US Citizen AND have resided inside the US for at least 5 years after they turned 16.
Since Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born, and if it was outside the US, Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and is therefore unqualified to hold the office of the POTUS.
Still laughing... = D
He is a citizen with a legal birth certificate or he does not have a birth certificate and is not a citizen. Votes in a General Election can not over ride the Constitution.
The people either have a Constitution and the Rule of Law or they don’t?
How about we start that rebuilding by first defending the words of the framers of our Constitution, and get to the bottom of this issue first, after all, isn't this what Constitutional Republicanism is all about??
The framers' words have been satisfied. Hawaii has certified his birth in that state. It's a dead issue.
What good is a brand if there is no viable product behind it??? The founders put those words in our Constitution for a purpose, and it could very well be that if we stand firmly on those words now, that we will save ourselves from insurmountable trouble down the road.
The only product this puts behind the brand is wild-eyed crackpot conspiracy theories. I'm proposing that we return to the days when conservatives offered real substance. You know, back when we won elections?
If all we have to contribute is this crackpot-ery, then we deserve our time in the desert. I myself continue to believe that conservatism continues to offer much more to America, if we only have sufficient pride in our convictions.
He is a citizen with a legal birth certificate or he does not have a birth certificate and is not a citizen.
He does have one. Hawaii has certified it. That's a done deal, unless you have proof of some corruption there.
The people either have a Constitution and the Rule of Law or they don’t?
If we really believe in the rule of law, then we acceot Hawaii's verdict and finally let this issue rest.
When he shows it to the Court that’s when it will be accepted. Not until then.
When he shows it to the Court that’s when it will be accepted. Not until then.
Sheer lunacy.
Since when did we give courts the right to over-rule state's certification of their own birth certificates? That's hardly a conservative position.
He does have one. Hawaii has certified it......
To help clarify for everyone, his original birth certificate in 1961 was typewriter written with the hospital and doctors name on it. There should be a microfiche image copy of it somewhere.
What is being shown is a printout of a Certificate of Live Birth from the data on file. But in Hawaii these digital forms can be given out for people born abroad to American citizens.
Therefore he could be a naturalized citizen by the digital form but not a natural born citizen based on the original paper one, as the Constitution requires.
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