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My Fellow Conservatives: You’re too Good to Undermine the Legitimacy of the Election
Men for Palin Blog ^ | December 1, 2008 | W. T. Howes

Posted on 12/01/2008 8:34:59 AM PST by Charlie Fairbanks

Conservatives, embittered by the election debacle, are on the internet in force threatening jihad on BHO over the apparent defects in his citizenship. For them, it is payback time. For eight years, the American Left wrongfully undermined President Bush by arguing ad nauseum that he stole the 2000 election. They hurt the party by doing so, and conservatives who undermine the legitimacy of BHO’s election will end up hurting the nation.

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To: IYAS9YAS

What is the long-form certificate? Why doesn’t anyone pursue different means of verifying his birth place?


81 posted on 12/01/2008 9:19:58 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Safrguns

Kitty, Kitty, Bang Bang!!


82 posted on 12/01/2008 9:23:05 AM PST by griswold3
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To: TruthHound

Is that your `watchdog’? It looks like he’s winding himself up...


83 posted on 12/01/2008 9:24:05 AM PST by tumblindice (I for one welcome our new alien Overlord)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

We either have a Constitution or not . . .


84 posted on 12/01/2008 9:26:56 AM PST by laweeks
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To: I see my hands

Molon Labe!

Just trying to make it difficult for the collectivist-progressives.
The US Constitution does not grant the right to others’ property or talents. It acknowledges the God given right to pursue your own life, liberty and happiness as your talents allow.


85 posted on 12/01/2008 9:27:47 AM PST by griswold3
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To: Charlie Fairbanks
and conservatives who undermine the legitimacy of BHO’s election will end up hurting the nation

Stuff it.

Obama will get our respect when his mentally-challenged followers (including the dims in Congress) publicly apologize for dragging Bush's name through the mud over the last eight years. Until then, I extend a single digit in their general direction.
86 posted on 12/01/2008 9:28:51 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (I'll give Obama the same amount of respect the left gave Bush)
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To: MrB

Conservatives will never give up the ‘Rule of Law’ as prescribed by the US Constitution.


87 posted on 12/01/2008 9:29:05 AM PST by griswold3
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Here are my thoughts on this subject.

Our Constitution is very clear regarding the qualifications for becoming President of the United States. If you're not a natural born citizen, you're not qualified to be President. It says so in article two.

And to go and say we need to put this aside and stand behind Hussien is dumb, stupid and idiotic. If Obama wants to put this issue to rest, he needs to show his birth certificate. Whether anyone likes it being said or not this issue is not going away.

And another thing, to all the obamabots out there. Obama may be YOUR President, but he's NOT my president. You don't get to decide who my President is and who isn't. MY President is leaving office on January 20th of next year. I just hope and pray our nation survives this Obamanation issue.

BTW, World Net Daily has a petition ongoing regarding this issue. I've signed it.

Regards......

88 posted on 12/01/2008 9:31:16 AM PST by E.G.C. (Click on a freeper's screename and then "In Forum" to read his/her posts)
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To: stuartcr
Right. Why not show some actual evidence first? Do you even know if Obama has a security clearance? If he does, then follow that backwards for a verification of place and date of birth. If you cannot provide evidence of his having or not having a clearance, then you should probably wait on that list of yours.

I dunno how I can help you Stuart...there's plenty of circumstantial evidence that's been posted here on FR.

Obama couldn't become a F.B.I. agent...that much I know..based on his admitted drug usage.

Plenty of loop-holes in providing "Birth Certificates" to gain whatever.

Naw....you are on the list. Sorry.

89 posted on 12/01/2008 9:31:30 AM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: stuartcr
Because of the way Hawaii allowed birth to be registered, the long-form is the only version that will list whether or not he was born in Hawaii, or outside Hawaii. If he was born outside Hawaii, it will list where.

There have been instances of folks investigating the claims of birth in Kenya. There are even reports that officials in Kenya have erected a monument to Obama's birth there. His paternal grandmother has also stated she witnessed his birth in a Mombassa hospital.

There is investigation ongoing at many levels.

This is my simple question, and it has been asked by many folks in different words; "Why lawyer up, when you can pony up?" Why, in the name of puting this issue to rest, doesn't Obama produce this document? His unwillingness to do so furthers the concern that many of us have. Instead, he's fought the release of this form at every step. He's spent thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, to fight it.

Why?

90 posted on 12/01/2008 9:32:56 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

Your contempt for the Constitution is a bright, vibrant commie red.


91 posted on 12/01/2008 9:35:28 AM PST by abigailsmybaby (I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.)
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To: Osage Orange; stuartcr
Obama couldn't become a F.B.I. agent...that much I know..based on his admitted drug usage.

I had a more in-depth background check done on me prior to my enlistment at age 18 than Obama's had since he became a public figure.

92 posted on 12/01/2008 9:37:32 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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To: Osage Orange

OK, I’ll put you on the list I have so they will balance.


93 posted on 12/01/2008 10:05:05 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

This is not like 2000! there was no doubt that Al Gore was native-born, native parents, no question. This is a Constitutional question. Have any of our detractors even considered how 0bama has continuously practiced deceit all along? Concealing about every record pertinent to his life, foremost his BC, nearly 1 mil to lawyers to protect himself from scrutiny, the flying trip to HI & ordering BC sealed, what is investigating & taking this to the High Court? This is still our country and our laws!


94 posted on 12/01/2008 10:05:29 AM PST by luvadavi (Important old novel: The Moon Is Down, John Steinbeck, 1942)
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To: IYAS9YAS

How would I know? I’m just suggesting another way of verifying his birth place that the state of Hawaii couldn’t influence.


95 posted on 12/01/2008 10:07:05 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Me too, I’ve had a clearance for over 30yrs, mil and civ. That is why I am asking if anyone knows if he had a clearance.


96 posted on 12/01/2008 10:08:57 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: Charlie Fairbanks

With all due respect to anyone who espouses this line of thought, conservatives cannot undermine the legitimacy of the election - either the election is legitimate or it is not. If Obama cannot show he is eligible, he has himself caused the election to at the very least APPEAR illegitimate.

To not explore the contradictions and lack of evidence in this instance is to shred the underpinnings of our Republic - the constitution itself. Either we are a nation of laws, or we are the personal cult of one man who is adjudged to be above the law. Which shall we choose?

If Obama can show he is eligible, then he becomes President, whether or not he is accepted by the political right. If the right allows him to ascend to that office without settling the constitutional issue, we will have “assumed the position” while Obama assumes his.

Finally, with respect to endangering the nation, it must be recognized that abrogation of the foundational law of this nation is the most dangerous course of action any of us can undertake. I do not mean that every nuance or slant of the eligibility issue should be fought dishonestly, but rather that legitimate proof be elicited to show that Obama can be President - whether we like his assumption of power or not. For good men to do nothing is to promote the success of evil, after all.


97 posted on 12/01/2008 10:11:49 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Uncle Miltie

The “well known” conservative, but one who does not think the Constitution worth conserving.


98 posted on 12/01/2008 10:17:32 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: ErnBatavia

We disagree. The only path will be to give an initial victory that will not clinch the matter but delay it in the hope that invalidation can become “unthinkable.”


99 posted on 12/01/2008 10:20:08 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: stuartcr
That is why I am asking if anyone knows if he had a clearance.

I don't think so. He's not held a job that required it.

Also, I don't think that elected officials are required to have a security clearance, but I'm not certain on that and will look into it.

100 posted on 12/01/2008 10:30:19 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Ever notice that Obama supporters chant "O-Bahm-AH" while McCain/Palin supporters chant "U-S-A".)
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