DAY 3 JIHAD PIRACY KIDNAPPING: CAPTAIN MAKES DRAMATIC ESCAPE

Atlas Shrugs ^ | 04/10/09 | Atlas Shrugs

[American Dream 246]

...Van wrote, "We should have put a SEAL team in the water early on, even before the U.S. Warship arrived, by aircraft, low on the horizon. We should have jammed their communications. They are giving interviews to Reuters, for Chrissakes! SEALs probably would have thrown a stun grenage and teargas in that lifeboat and brought the entire mess to a conclusion. The Marines and Navy soldiers were probably tripping over themselves to volunteer for this mission.

And those 3 pirate towns mentioned in the piece? I would level them. Give tehm 24 hours to vacate. Period. Do you think Churchill, Eisenhower, or, Parron, especially, would have countenanced this pussy approach. Sorry, but you use that word, too.

And the sentence about the pirates not wanting to be harmed. Now, isn't that rich. America has become a gelding. I am this close to ordering that DTOM Navy Flag and stickers from Gadsen! "

[Star Traveler]

You guys are just too good... I’ll update it, but I’m gonna have to run for the moment... a bit late here... LOL..

[Star Traveler]

Johnson — Hostages, USS Pueblo, 11 months, North Korea
Carter - Hostages, 444 days, Iran
Carter - Killed (rescue attempt), C-130, Iran
Clinton - Killed, Black Hawk Down, Somalia
Bush - Hostages (EP-3 Aries), 11 days, China
Obama - Hostages, Somalian pirates

[ very good job..., y’all... :-) ...]

[Tijeras_Slim]

Ford - Mayagüez Incident: Cambodia on May 12-15, 1975

Sorry... ;)

[Star Traveler]

Okay, I see it... now I am running out the door, I’ll update later or someone else can, too... :-)

[NC28203]

Reagan - 25 American hostages, held for various lengths of time often yerars, several killed, Lebanon

[Doc91678]

All it would have taken was a few well placed shots from a Ma Deuce to discourage the Somalia’s from recapturing the Capatain.
But it seems the warship is under direct orders not to shoot.
BTW I'm sure that ship has a small Marine detachment aboard. There's got to be some proficient marksmen aboard. Those M-14’s are still in use aboard ships.

[anglian]

UPDATE Homeland Security just sent out a memo specifying that Somali pirates are to be referred to as “seafaring freelance wealth redistributors.” http://twitter.com/jimtreacher/status/1485860666

[NC28203]

I think it would take some pretty good marksmen to hit the four pirates and not harm the captain when both the ship and the lifeboat are pitching up and down in the waves.

[Chode]

if that is what they are in, i take back everything i've said on this matter.

Chode

[trisham]

This is just the beginning of what life is going to be like under Obama.

[anglian]

Combined Task Force 151 hunts down pirates in the Gulf of Aden
By James Warden, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Sunday, March 29, 2009
The USS Boxer is an impressive ship, purpose-built to show up on the horizon and grab a well-protected beach from a determined enemy. An array of helicopters can spot threats before they ever see the amphibious assault ship. Harrier jets can pound them into the ground. And hovercrafts can carry hundreds of Marines and their armored vehicles to storm the beach.

But the Boxer isn’t facing off against an enemy navy. Instead, it’s looking for small groups of men in far less impressive skiffs who are armed only with a few AKs and perhaps a rocket-propelled grenade or two. These men are pirates, and they’ve cost the shipping industry money out of proportion to their small boats and weak weapons.

The Boxer is the flagship for Combined Task Force 151, a joint effort between the U.S., Danish and Turkish navies to prevent pirates from attacking merchant ships in the Gulf of Aden just off Somalia’s coast.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81500

[Star Traveler]

NC28203, you said — Reagan - 25 American hostages, held for various lengths of time often yerars, several killed, Lebanon

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I don’t have the full data on that one. What I found was six hostages (maybe some others were other nationalities). I’ll correct the list if I get additional daa...

The following is what I have so far and please correct it for me (anyone...) if you have the data (i.e., let me know and give me a link...).

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Presidential Crises - Hostages and/or Killings of Military and Civilians

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Johnson — Killed (34), USS Liberty, Israel
Johnson — Hostages (82/1 Killed), USS Pueblo, 11 months, North Korea
Ford — Hostages (21), SS Mayaguez, Cambodia
Carter — Hostages (52), 444 days, Iran
Carter — Killed (8), Operation Eagle Claw, C-130, Iran
Reagan — Killed (241), Marine barracks bombing, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Hostages (6), Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Clinton — Killed (19), Black Hawk Down, Somalia
Bush — Hostages (24), Hainan Island incident (EP-3 Aries), 11 days, China
Bush — Killed (2,998), 9/11 Attack, Islamic Terrorists
Obama — Hostages (1), Somalian pirates, ongoing currently...

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Johnson — USS Liberty Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Johnson — USS Pueblo Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
Ford — SS Mayaguez Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayagüez_incident
Carter — Iranian Hostage Crisis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Carter — Operation Eagle Claw (rescue) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
Reagan — Marine Barracks bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
Reagan — Hostages in Lebanon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair
Clinton — Black Hawk Down - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
Bush — Hainan Island incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Bush — 9/11 Attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11

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[NC28203]

Here’s a partial list:
William Buckley (Killed)
Peter Kilburn (Killed)
John Douglas(Killed)
Philip Padfield (Killed)
William Higgins (Killed)
David Dodge
Frank Regier
Jeremy Levin
Terry Anderson
Benjamin Weir
Charles Glass
David Jacobsen
Thomas Sutherland
Frank Reed
Joseph Ciccipio
Edward Tracy
Alan Steen
Jesse Turner
Robert Polhill

[Star Traveler]

Oh... wow... thanks.

Did you get that at some link I could follow up on?

I’ll follow up on each one and make sure it fits for the right President, at the time and see how to incorporate it into the list (it’s only a simple list anyway..., but thanks for the info...)

[NC28203]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_hostage_crisis

[Star Traveler]

Okay, thanks for the link... I just haven’t had time to really follow up on all the info... :-) ... (I think I did look at that link but skipped over it pretty quickly...)

[Star Traveler]

Okay... I’ve updated some more (still not exactly complete, but getting there...) I split out the killed and hostages during the Reagan term, and I might list those hostages and killed below, after I work on it a bit.

I’ve added a controversial item, because I think it’s *really* terrorism...

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Here’s a comparison of other Presidential Crises, with American hostage-taking and military/civilians killed (various actions against our civilians and/or actions that we took in response to such crises. It’s a good comparison for what is going on today, as to what has happened in the past with other Presidents...

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Presidential Crises - Hostages and/or Killings of Military and Civilians

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Johnson — Killed (34), USS Liberty, Israel
Johnson — Hostages (82/1 Killed), USS Pueblo, 11 months, North Korea
Ford — Hostages (21), SS Mayaguez, Cambodia
Carter — Hostages (52), Tehran Embassy Hostages, 444 days, Iran
Carter — Killed (8), Operation Eagle Claw, C-130, Iran
Reagan — Killed (241), Marine barracks bombing, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Hostages (20), Islamic Terrorist Hostages, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Killed (5), Islamic Terrorist Killings, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Killed (37), USS Stark Missile Attack (FFG-31), Iraq
Clinton — Killed (6), 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan
Clinton — Killed (168), Oklahoma City Bombing, Domestic Terrorists, U.S.A.
Clinton — Killed (19), Black Hawk Down, Somalia
Clinton — Killed (17), USS Cole Bombing (DDG-67), Al Qaeda, at port in Yemen
Clinton — Killed (142), TWA Flight 800, Terrorism [controversial*], Terrorists
Bush — Hostages (24), Hainan Island incident (EP-3 Aries), 11 days, China
Bush — Killed (2,998), 9/11 Attack, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan
Obama — Hostages (1), Somalian pirates, ongoing currently...

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Johnson — USS Liberty Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Johnson — USS Pueblo Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
Ford — SS Mayaguez Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayagüez_incident
Carter — Iranian Hostage Crisis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Carter — Operation Eagle Claw (rescue) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
Reagan — Marine Barracks bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
Reagan — Hostages in Lebanon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair
Reagan — USS Stark Missile Attack (FFG-31) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_(FFG-31)
Clinton — 1993 World Trade Center Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
Clinton — Oklahoma City Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
Clinton — Black Hawk Down - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
Clinton — USS Cole Bombing (DDG-67) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Clinton — TWA Flight 800 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
[*controversial - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_alternative_theories - http://twa800.com/ ]
Bush — Hainan Island incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Bush — 9/11 Attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11

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Please help add more so I can update this. If there is another event that happened within a particular President’s term (hostages taken, military killed in actions regarding the crisis, etc...), give me the info and any pertinent links. Still working on it and adding information...

[papasmurf]

Military deaths during the Clinton administration:
1,245 in 1993;
1,109 in 1994;
1,055 in 1995;
1,008 in 1996.

That's 4,417 deaths in peacetime!

Source: NY Sun

Military deaths during the Bush43 administration: (Beginning 3/03-3/08)

3,993 during WAR years!

Source: icasualities.org

[MinuteGal]

"Clinton - Black Hawk Down"

Obama - Black President Clown

Leni

[Star Traveler]

If anything represents a Presidential Crisis and is a hostage or killing situation and it was either another power or entity doing something to us and/or us responding to them (and it being outside of any direct wartime activity [like Iraq, for example]) — then please give me the *event* and the link so I can follow up on it...

I need an “event” and what happened and a link to the event, so I can categorize it. I’m not familiar with the events you’re listing, you’ll have to give me more information.