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The Battle Begins: ATF vs the Constitution
Tenth Amendment Center ^ | 07-18-09 | Tenth Amendment Center

Posted on 07/18/2009 7:52:40 PM PDT by sovereignty2

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1 posted on 07/18/2009 7:52:40 PM PDT by sovereignty2
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To: sovereignty2

Push, meet shove.


2 posted on 07/18/2009 7:55:08 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: sovereignty2
Not Every Blogpost Is Breaking News
3 posted on 07/18/2009 7:56:38 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR...Monthly Donors Wanted...I Upped My Monthly. Now, Up Yours.)
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To: sovereignty2

All tho they are correct in their Constitutional view, it doesn’t matter. The 10th amendment has been totally erased by the courts. For all practical purposes it is not even in the Constitution.

Maybe some day we will return to real Constitutional rule but I am not holding my breath.


4 posted on 07/18/2009 7:56:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: papasmurf
Has this law been signed by the governor of Tennessee?
5 posted on 07/18/2009 7:57:14 PM PDT by Luke21 (If it's the Asspress, it's usually a lie.)
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To: sovereignty2

There is no case, Constitutionally, from the Federal standpoint. Not that that matters to political cronies, I mean judges.


6 posted on 07/18/2009 7:57:58 PM PDT by allmost
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To: sovereignty2
>The law states that “federal laws and regulations do not apply to personal firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition that is manufactured in Tennessee and remains in Tennessee. ..."

I suspect no court
would ever uphold this law--
won't see a "battle."

7 posted on 07/18/2009 7:58:57 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: sovereignty2

Section 1 article 8 does not give the federal government the authority to form the ATF!


8 posted on 07/18/2009 8:02:05 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: sovereignty2

As I recall, many or most of the Federal gun laws specifically refer to a gun that has “moved in interstate commerce.”


9 posted on 07/18/2009 8:04:36 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: sovereignty2

I hope TN is ready to take this all the way


10 posted on 07/18/2009 8:05:21 PM PDT by GeronL (UnitedCitizen.Blogspot.Com --------- United Citizens Nation! ------------- Join Today!)
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To: theFIRMbss
I suspect no court would ever uphold this law-- won't see a "battle."

Perhaps that's because no federal court has the jurisdiction to hear this case in it's administrative form, and no federal court will agree to hear it in it's common law form.

11 posted on 07/18/2009 8:05:59 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: gatex

Now they are trying to regulate carbon and oxygen which flow with the wind across states and continents.


12 posted on 07/18/2009 8:07:00 PM PDT by allmost
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To: sovereignty2

Is TN receiving any federal funds for law enforcement, criminal-justice programs, and gun-related crimes?


13 posted on 07/18/2009 8:19:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: Man50D
Section 1 article 8 does not give the federal government the authority to form the ATF!

"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; ...."

The Constitution for the United States of America Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 ("1:8:1")

"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration hereinbefore directed to be taken."

The Constitution for the United States of America Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 ("1:9:4")

Bingo I don't see it either ! what pinhead thought this up?

14 posted on 07/18/2009 8:19:52 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to ... remain silent.)
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To: Luke21

The Gov. let it become law without signing. In doing so, he said...

“This bill is not about firearms. It is about a fringe constitutional theory that I believe will be quickly dispensed with by the federal courts.

The Tennessee General Assembly lacks the Constitutional authority to limit the power and authority of federal government in this way…

…While I share the General Assembly’s commitment to federalism, this legislation contravenes our Constitution. I am allowing it to become law so that it can quickly be dealt with by the federal courts.”

BTW, he’s a Democrat.


15 posted on 07/18/2009 8:26:42 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: Talisker

Someone is arrested, by ATF, for violation of Federal law.

The attorney for that person is then free to make the Constitutional case, and inform the jury of the State opinion on the matter.

Jury nullification is the most likely outcome.

Which means it won’t get to SCOTUS, but it will send a message.


16 posted on 07/18/2009 8:27:33 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: papasmurf
The Tennessee General Assembly lacks the Constitutional authority to limit the power and authority of federal government in this way…

Holy crap...your governor said that?

17 posted on 07/18/2009 8:28:07 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: sovereignty2
ATF assistant director Carson W. Carroll wrote that ‘Federal law supersedes the Act’,

Why don't you go on down to Tennessee and enforce your cute little letter there Madame Assistant Director.

L

18 posted on 07/18/2009 8:29:40 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: allmost
" Now they are trying to regulate carbon and oxygen which flow with the wind across states and continents."

But Sotomeyor will stop them because there is no precedent -- she always relied on precedent . /s

Wonder how she would rule. The CO2 was designated a pollutant so it could then be regulated by the EPA. Guess they will soon be regulating (with fines) marathons, sports matches and gyms for "excess production of CO2".

19 posted on 07/18/2009 8:31:15 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: theFIRMbss
suspect no court would ever uphold this law

You suspect wrongly. Another Federal circuit has already decided that a machine gun manufactured in one State isn't subject to Federal laws if it never left the State in question.

The ATF of course ignored that decision.

20 posted on 07/18/2009 8:32:14 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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