Yes, well y'all have your own hearing problems.
Posted on 08/22/2009 7:51:32 AM PDT by Arizona SCG
Discovery hearing re. Obama’s Kenyan BC, request for depositions of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates scheduled for September 8th, 8am. I am asking supporters to be there. August 22nd, 2009 08/21/2009 44 MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: ORDER SETTING SEPTEMBER 8, 2009 HEARING ONMOTIONS: (See document for details.) In summary, the Court sets for hearing at 8:00 a.m. on September 8, 2009, (1) the Discovery Motion, (2) the Service Notice, and (3) the Ex Parte Application. All parties are ordered to be present. The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the action. (rla) (Entered: 08/21/2009)
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Would someone explain in non legal terms what this means, please.
Well well... it seems kind of weird that the court would go forward with discovery on the Kenyan BC thing after all the ruckus about it being a punked forgery.
Maybe she DOES have something nobody has seen.
Either that or she is totally nuts and needs to be fired.
I'm leaning toward the "tilting at windmills" side myself...
>>> Would someone explain in non legal terms what this means, please.
Basically the judge has ordered all parties to appear for discovery... kind of like a pre-trial, to determine if it needs to go any further.
If the BC Taitz has is the same thing that was posted and debunked on the internet, then she should have withdrawn her suit... but it is going forward... why?
Burden of proof is on the accuser... so unless she has something to stick them with, she is totally bonkers going forward with it.
Starting to wonder if she is actually working for Obama,
with the objective of losing on purpose.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
Tilting at windmills? How about freakazoid wingnut that should be disbarred?
If so, and if she is asking for Hillary Clinton and Sec. Gates, she has just lost any credibility she has, with us and with the Court.
Had she asked for documents, or certain Hawaii officials, she would have had a chance to get then. But to ask for Gates and Hillary, it clearly becomes grandstanding.
What does Hillary know about this that should require the Sec. of State of the US to come to some deposition. Even if she is trying to make some argument about foreign relations, registering foreign births or documents, some career Dept of State official is a much better witness.
What could Gates know, other than how some military person is called to active duty, and again, some career person is much better for this.
If Tatiz is expecting to get one of them to testify that somehow Obama is exercising special influence involving her clients, fagedaboudit!
This is legally VERY stupid, and can get her labeled as a complete RWNJ. It could even lead to sanctions, but I doubt it at this stage.
Thanks for the explanation.
why?
She is probably nuts. Forgetting it was MSNBC but that appearance on the network made her seem like a nutjob without any help from the host.
Don't people learn that in grammar school any more?
She is asking for depositions from the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense?
That doesn't seem to be reasonable. Secretary Gates is not likely to have anything relevant to say, and certainly Secretary Clinton has no articulable connection to her case.
Why not stick to the basics, and get as much paper evidence as possible?
Production of all Hawaiian vital records would be far more relevant than asking for the head of the State Department to give a deposition.
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Canada Free Press
JB Williams
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
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But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
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Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
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DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
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A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials!
Today’s radio interview in Israel with Dr. Orly.
Discusses bc, Obama not elgible due to being British citizen, death threats, Obots tampering with her car:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/1302
Dr. Orly Taitz storms Israel making a clear case for Obama (TV)
inelgibility- Obama is a British citizen.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Dr. Orly’s official website:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Or Dr. Orly’s blog:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
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After looking at Obama's long form birth certificate, she then declared that Obama was a citizen of the United States.
My question is this: What did Dr. Fukino see on Obama's 1961 long form birth that proved to her and other Hawaii officials beyond any doubt that Obama was an American citizen?
Was it the word "Honolulu"?
I don't think that would be enough evidence to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. To be sure that Obama was born in Hawaii, I think that Dr. Fukino would have had to look at the signature of the person who CERTIFIED that Obama was born on a certain date.
Below is copy of the item on a 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate where a person----m.d., d.o., midwife, or other---signed the space for the WITNESS to a birth.
"I hereby certify that the child was born alive on the date and hour stated above."
"19a. Signature of Attendant"
M.D. |_|
D.O. |_|
MIDWIFE |_|
OTHER |_|
So, again, Dr. Fukino---and other high-ranking Hawaii officials---in order to positively prove in their minds that Obama was born in Hawaii, would have had to look at and verified that someone signed and checked "19a. Signature of Attendant."
I believe that the issue is this: Who signed the space of "Signature of Attendant"?
1. Was it a doctor or midwife?
2. Or, more damaging to Obama, was it "Other"?
3. If it was "Other", who could it have been?
4. If it was "Other", is it possible that Obama's GRANDMOTHER LIED and signed her name?
4a. "AFRICAN": If grandma Dunham LIED and was the one who signed, filled out, and mailed in the long form birth certificate, then that might explain why the word "African" is listed as the father's RACE.
4b. That is, when she came to the space where it asked for the father's RACE, grandma Dunham may have simply checked "other" instead of checking NEGRO and she wrote AFRICAN somewhere on the birth certificate, because she knew that Barack Obama senior was a citizen of some country in Africa and not an American citizen.
4c. NOTE: A doctor or hospital medical person may have written in "African" as the RACE of the father because Obama senior may have made such a request, but I think it is highly improbable that is what happened.
4d. So that is a crucial reason why we should want to see Obama's long form birth certificate: We want to verify that Obama's father is classified as "African" just as he is classified on the Obama short form birth certificate we have seen on the internet during the presidential campaign of 2008.
4e. If Obama's father's RACE is classified differently on the two birth certificates---the long and short forms---then we will know that someone tampered with the short form before it was displayed on the internet.
5. Also, if the "Other" box is checked instead of the the doctor's box and there is no doctor signature, then it means that Obama was not born at Kapiolani hospital as Obama claims.
6. My point is this: Dr. Fukino of Hawaii must tell us how she knows that Obama is a citizen of the United States.
7. That is, Dr. Fukino must tell us if the "Signature of Attendant" is that of a doctor or that of "Other".
8. In addition, if there is no doctor or midwife signature, then there will not be a hospital name, either.
9. And if there is no doctor name or hospital name, then where was Obama born?
10. Dear Dr. Fukino: It is not enough to tell us that Obama is a citizen of the United States, because you really have no legal power to make such a decision of who is or who is not a citizen, especially since you are not a lawyer or an elected public official.
11. Dear Dr. Fukino: Who signed the space for "Signature of Attendant" and certified that Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961?
12. Dr. Fukino: If you are going to make a public announcement that Obama is an American citizen, then you have a moral obligation to also explain to the public what you saw on Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate that led you to your conclusion that Obama was an American citizen.
13. However, I'm afraid you cannot simply cite as evidence that you saw the word "Hawaii" typed or written on the long form birth certificate.
14. I'm sorry, Dr. Fukino, but the controversy has grown so intense and so ugly over the past year that you now have to tell us who signed the "Signature of Attendant", that is, you have to tell us who certified that he/she was a WITNESS to Obama's birth in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, if you expect to have any credibility left whatsoever with the public.
15. If the signature is NOT that of a doctor or a midwife, then Hawaii officials and Obama have a lot of explaining to do.
The question is: what Federal Rule of Civil Procedure has she failed to follow in this case that will get it dismissed with prejudice?
Simple.
She IS totally bonkers.
Declaring that he is a citizen doesn’t qualify him under the constitution for the office.
Must be natural born....
Born on US soil, ***AND*** BOTH parents US citizens.
I find Orly Taitz to be more than just a little dubious in this role.
But, she's also been a delegate and a spokesperson for AIPAC.
That argues against "bonkers" in totality, and in favor of something else going on, with these eligibility lawsuits.
Maybe she's there to discredit. Maybe she's dragging it out to maximize a political threat ... who knows?
I'd greatly prefer to see competent legal representation in this and any legal matter.
Oh, for goodness sakes. At least rewrite and refresh your spam on occasion. You’ll make more money that way. This is getting tedious.
OK, maybe not bonkers.
But sometimes otherwise sane and lucid individuals get caught up with irrational ideas and movements.
It happens. It’s a human failing.
And it seems to have happened with Orly Taitz with this BC flap.
Oh, for goodness sakes. At least rewrite and refresh your spam on occasion. You’ll make more money that way. This is getting tedious.
Well at least she isn’t spamming each thread with the money raising request. Shows the lack of respect for FR to ask Freepers to fund another site when it is almost all they can do to keep FR up and running. But then that is Orly and her brood.
Then you can see if you can get Congress to impeach BHO.
Otherwise, this remains an academic exercise.
No she’s just an Idiot
The idea that a President should be eligible under the Constitution only became openly risible in public with the advent of Barack Obama.
His life circumstances are uniquely questionable among modern Presidents, perhaps all Presidents.
Suspicion is reasonable and warranted.
No amateur hour at the three ring circus changes that, whether Orly Taitz is the ringmaster, or some other barristocratic oddity, such as Berg or Donofrio.
>>> Then you can see if you can get Congress to impeach BHO.
Congress is not needed, considering they failed to perform their constitutional duty of screening the candidate.
How do you impeach a fraudulent president?
If he is not qualified, technically he is not president.
You are correct, the mechanism for finding a President ineligible is not defined, but provisions for such an eventuality under the Constitution state that the Vice President becomes acting President upon such a finding.
So, by virtue of his having been born to an alien father, under the specific term “natural born citizen” known to John Jay, at whose behest this requirement for eligibility was inserted into the Constitution, and who ruled consistently with this understanding as the very first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Barack Hussein Obama II is ineligible for the office of President.
All hail acting President Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.
Stranger things have happened, I suppose. But, that would rank right up there.
>>> provisions for such an eventuality under the Constitution state that the Vice President becomes acting President upon such a finding.
Remember when Biden said that he didn’t think Obama was ready to become president???
And then how everyone’s jaw dropped when he was tapped AND accepted???
Well, part of me thinks that Biden accepted the vice spot in anticipation of such an occurrence, and felt that he was best suited to lead the country through such a transition.
The other part of me thinks he is not that smart.
Either way, I would much rather have Biden than Obama.
Think of all the risk-free entertainment we would enjoy.
I really don't follow this "Birther" stuff, because I'm fully aware it's an embarrassing to FR non-starter.
From the little I've followed, though, I've been given the impression that Taitz is in bed with a "Truther"........that makes her soiled goods IMMEDIATELY in my book. FReepers, correct me if I'm wrong; I do, however, have that sneaky feeling that she's nothing more than a Don Quixote............
Why Jim Robinson allows this hysteria to go one during a fundraising drive is beyond me - maybe that's why our donations are falling off.
settle down, betsy
Orly (”Eagles” in Russian) Taitz was trying to explain what anyone who knows anything about the subject takes for granted: how easy it is to get a birth certificate in Hawaii even if you weren’t born there.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697
Democrat attorney Philip Berg, or professional journalist Joseph Farah, or Harvard PhD in political science Jerome Corsi could have said the same, but since they are not of foreign origin, they would have been less easy to make fun of.
What we saw was a government-controlled media outlet trying to prevent an anti-Communist citizen from putting forward substantial —and well-established— arguments to the effect that the Constitution is being trampled upon.
Just a comment on Dr. Orly’s efforts here, while a portion of FR is being cybersquatted by left minded posters with an agenda to sway conservative views its still my belief many of us can still see the light, the truth and have not lost our zeal to pursue a proper America for ourselves and loved ones.
Dr. Taitz can arguably be talked about as not being viewed upon as having a lot of loving support but I can assuredly say at the very least her efforts of “kicking the rotten logs” has indeed brought to light the grubworms of a rotten substance. She is doing something, not all of us can possibly be a crusader, few of us have maintained this continuous zeal that to me is a morale builder, she has not quit, resigned or fallen silent.
I had to remain silent, my home has been under attack, I have literally been forced to leave to maintain safety for my family, my accumulation of firearms are as I can only say is “in transit” and I am living in a Peterbilt truck and staying mobile, I’m OK and I have for now access to a computer.
Some people possibly just a few know me, have read my posts from all of recent months, and to my friends such as LucyT, please do not stop, I have not and will not.
I am not making a play for attention, I am speaking the truth, I’m what you could say as being at ground zero, I live in Wasilla Alaska and there is some dangerous talk of something imminent here, please keep searching for facts and the truth should news come about, and thats nothing about me, I’m just caught in the outer circle.
Its happening, its becoming to a point that those of a power position are using resources to silence opposition, they have excellent intel of course, all they have to do is read here at FR!
Remember, WE CAST A GIANT SHADOW!
One has to admire the passion of Dr Taitz but with each headline, and with each error in the court, she is making herself and her cause more and more marginalized. Someone with serious knowledge of legal procedures should be guiding her, and someone else should be the spokesperson.
As to Berg, I am not at all convinced of his dedication to this cause so much as his own self-promotion.
On the ‘natural born’ citizen status of Obama, I can only claim agnosticism. I want us all to be true believers one way or the other. The only way that will happen is to have the original long-form birth certificate in the HI vault opened and made available, even if only in camera, with representatives of both sides. The way these attorneys are proceeding, I doubt that will ever happen.
That doesn't seem to be reasonable. Secretary Gates is not likely to have anything relevant to say, and certainly Secretary Clinton has no articulable connection to her case.
It's necessary to get a response from them, even though the response will be some bureaucratic non-answer saying Obama's credentials were approved by the Senate in January.
I'd be more curious as to the exact chain of evidence of the Certification of Live Birth on Fight the Smears. The Hawaiian Dept of Health refuses to confirm that Obama's birth certificate online was issued by them.
It means that once again Taitz has her head so far up her posterior that it isn't funny. The judge's order is to set a hearing on motions, not to move forward with discovery. Taitz has filed several motions; motion to review Judge Nakazato's order to strike documents (probably the bogus Kenya birth certificate}, motion to recuse Judge Nakazato, and a motion to expedite discovery. The government has filed a motion of their own; a notice of failure of Plaintiff to properly effect service of process. What the hearing is for is to address each motion and either grant it or deny it. No discovery...yet. No trial...yet. Just another example of crass ineptitude on the part of Orly Taitz.
BTW, the judge's order can be read Here.
At least one big one - failure to properly serve the defendants. The judge and the government is cutting her slack on that; they gave her a do-over back in July and taught her how to do it right in the first place. She could have been tossed for that alone. But it's early, there are literally hundreds of ways she can still screw it up and the judge and the government can't protect her from herself forever.
| At least one big one - failure to properly serve the defendants. LOL, there's nothing the Left hates more than when a judge exercises discretion that works against them. You might as well pull out all of the stops and start calling Judge Carter an "activist judge". So, is Judge Carter a nut or a slut in your eyes, Non-Seq? Please, have all of the Leftist bloggers piss off the judge -- that would be a great thing for you to do. I don't think Judge Carter, a "former" Marine (but then again, there's no such thing as a "former" Marine), is going to buckle to political threats or intimidation like others in prior eligibility cases. If she is such a screw up, there must really be something to Taitz's July 15 filing for Judge Carter to be compelled to continue to accept it. That must really irk you, huh? |
He didn’t hear a word you said. Obama has him by the ears, obviously. Can’t answer either. His mouth is occupied.
The Kenyan thing was not part of her original filing, but added later. She has been attempting to force Obama to go through Discovery in the attempt to get a COURT ORDER for Obama’s birth Documents. If she is successful in getting that... Oh yea.. There will be a truck load of poo doo hitting the biggest fan evah! It would be a massive victory.
I dont see it happening unless congress acts.
I don’t see congress acting until we take it back.
I think she was on the right track with Major Cook... that was a bigger victory than people realize... just no follow up. We need more Cooks... its the only “standing” we have outside of Congress acting, and that will take too long.
I expect that Judge Carter will handle the case strictly according to the law. Which is why it won't get anywhere.
If she is such a screw up, there must really be something to Taitz's July 15 filing for Judge Carter to be compelled to continue to accept it.
Ah but he wasn't compelled to accept it. He could have dismissed the case on a technicality, but instead he gave her a second chance and literally walked her through what she should have done if the first place. If he had dismissed the case on procedural grounds then she could have just refiled it. It's better to let it proceed. It won't get very far.
That must really irk you, huh?
Not in the slightest. The entertainment I get from watching Tatitz and her antics is something money just can't buy. She's the reason why villages had idiots.
Yes, well y'all have your own hearing problems.
| What an intelligent response, Non-Seq. You must be working overtime spamming on other boards and ignoring FR. Remember: quality over quantity. It saddens me -- LOL. You do, of course, realize there's a lot more reason to beleive that Ann Dunham, Obama's mama, was not in Hawaii when she gave birth in August 1961. NOT EVEN OBAMA seems to know where his mother was in 1961-1962, like he demonstrates here:
In 1959, at the age of twenty-three, he (Barack Obama Sr) arrived at the University of Hawaii as that institution’s first African student. … In a Russian language course, he met an awkward, shy American girl, only eighteen, and they fell in love. The girl’s parents, wary at first, were won over by his charm and intellect; the young couple married, and she bore them a son, to whom he bequeathed his name. He won another scholarship-this time to pursue his Ph.D. at Harvard-but not the money to take his new family with him. A separation occurred, and he returned to Africa to fulfill his promise to the continent. The mother and child stayed behind … Conflicting with OBAMA'S OWN wordsfrom http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=pf_output.cfm&file_id=8926Dunham also registered for classes at the University of Washington for both the winter and spring quarters of 1962. (She took extension courses, attending classes at night, during the autumn 1961 and winter 1962 quarters, but in the spring of 1962 switched to a more traditional schedule, attending classes during the day. Her grades were good: Of the seven classes she took that academic year, she had three As and three Bs; she audited the seventh course.) Neighbor Toutonghi periodically babysat Barack for a couple of months while Dunham attended night classes during the early months of 1962. Years later Toutonghi recounted, “I remember his being very large and very curious and very alert ... . I don’t remember any undue fussing at all” (Neyman); maybe this was a harbinger of the future laid-back persona that the president would become known for decades later. But what Dunham and her young son did in Seattle after the end of the 1962 spring quarter is mostly a mystery, though they stayed for at least part of the summer of 1962. High school classmate Barbara Rusk recalls visiting them at the Capitol Hill apartment during that summer, noting that Dunham was not in school or working at the time. Other friends have also suggested the two stayed through at least part if not all of the summer. But in December 1962 Dunham transferred her transcript to the University of Hawaii, and enrolled there in the spring quarter of 1963. Given the demands that the young single mother faced raising her infant son alone in Seattle, they may have left shortly after Barack’s first birthday -- perhaps about the time the future president was taking his first steps. |
Of course not.
Any substantial evidence to back up your claim? Or just that CertificaTION of Live Birth that is as flimsy as Mr Obama’s record of keeping his campaign promises to his simple-minded constituents?
Sorry, I'm not the one making claims, you are. Specifically, Obama's mother wasn't in Hawaii when he was born. You did notice that the transcript you posted said she registered in March 1962, didn't you?
Obama is the one making the claims of eligibility.
The Court is not going forward on discovery. The Court is going to hear Orly's motion asking for discovery.
I expect that motion to be denied.
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