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DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible
Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.


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B I N G O ~~ there's a reason there's a new crop of trolls among us !!!

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Guess a few of the n00bies missed the brainwashing trolling training sessions cautioning against ARROGANCE.

2,401 posted on 03/04/2010 4:22:29 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you !!


2,402 posted on 03/04/2010 4:22:53 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks much Star, will add link right now


2,403 posted on 03/04/2010 4:23:59 PM PST by JustPiper (Obamacare ONGOING THREAD ~http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2437390/posts?page=855#855~)
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To: STARWISE

Someone else clued me in to the thread - evidence is all over the place. Reeking.


2,404 posted on 03/04/2010 4:33:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks

I remember the threads about this and there was a discussion about the fabric background. I wish I could remember who was active on those threads. It seems to me that it was determined or opined strongly that the fabric in the “punk’d” version was not exactly the same, just very close. But if you find out more, ping me if you remember.

Pinging Fred Nerks in case he remembers.


2,405 posted on 03/04/2010 4:36:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; All

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2,406 posted on 03/04/2010 4:40:20 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

“Have fun”, too.

A number of people on FR have expressed that they get their jollies from hassling people on the Constitutional eligibility threads.


2,407 posted on 03/04/2010 4:51:04 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

Yup. Beer was one. ;-)


2,408 posted on 03/04/2010 4:52:04 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Beer?

THey’re getting paid in beer?


2,409 posted on 03/04/2010 4:57:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah
No. Guess I was being too cryptic. LOL

Freepmail.

2,410 posted on 03/04/2010 5:01:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2308435/posts?page=1
Kenyan document ignites firestorm over authenticity (Let’s Discuss Bomford HERE)
WND ^ | 8/4/09 | Staff

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?page=1228#1228

I just happened to be up really late on Saturday night and was one of the first at FR to see the breaking story. My first post on the big thread is #44.

One of the very first things I did, was copy the image for my own safe-keeping. The time stamp of when I copied it to my computer is: Sunday, August 02, 2009, 6:47:18 AM.

The URL where it was posted at the time read:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018712/03118509264

The title of that page at the time was:

Filing Doc 03118509264

These have since been changed to:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate

and,

Fake Obama birth certificate

What’s important about this, is that I just took a close look at the copy in my computer (which I saved before the website URL and title changes), and son of a gun, if it doesn’t clearly show serial number 47644, and K.F. Lavender.

1,228 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:20:23 PM by Windflier

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll1/BecJul/EF_Lavender.jpg

THE VICTORIAN UNITED LAW CLARK’S SOCIETY SECRETARY E.F. LAVENDER:

http://mulr.law.unimelb.edu.au/go/about/history

The first periodical published within the Law School at The University of Melbourne was The Summons.

excerpt:

In 1957, Professor Zelman Cowen (then Dean of the Faculty and later Governor-General of Australia) re-established the journal along the model of the Harvard Law Review (which had been run by law students since it commenced publication in 1887) and renamed it the Melbourne University Law Review. This move coincided with a period of expansion both in reputation and size at the Melbourne Law School and marked a number of staff and student exchanges to prominent American law schools. Given this environment, the move to a more formally academic publication was made in order to enhance and stimulate enlightened legal discussion. In line with prevailing American practice, the top ranking law students were invited to become members of the Editorial Board.


Starts with E.F. Lavender...and ends up with the Harvard Law Review. Nice one.


2,411 posted on 03/04/2010 5:07:01 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah

PS. Don’t ask me what it all means, I never understood it at the time, but the exchange student reference with Harvard Law Review fascinated me. Still does.


2,412 posted on 03/04/2010 5:21:00 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

That was the thread where a ‘97 signup got the zot.


2,413 posted on 03/04/2010 5:29:27 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

Absolutely ... they’re downright sadistic,
even the feebly, 3rd person quoting, basement
dwellers on moonshine.

Folks who have evil intent are simply evil.


2,414 posted on 03/04/2010 5:30:17 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thank you!! I will peruse what you just posted. I was reading those threads - obsessivly, some might say.


2,415 posted on 03/04/2010 5:43:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: STARWISE

I agree. And the opportunity is always there, until they take their last breath, to beg for forgiveness with a sorrowful repentant heart.

Sigh.


2,416 posted on 03/04/2010 5:44:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Seizethecarp

The whole thing is now linked to above - see F. Nerk’s post up above!


2,417 posted on 03/04/2010 5:45:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

From ‘Properties’ this is the image I downloaded on Sunday, August 2, at 9.35pm. I’m in Australia, don’t know if that time refers to Oz time or whatever.

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv47/MissieBessie/SundayAug2935pm.jpg?t=1267755214


2,418 posted on 03/04/2010 6:16:15 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks!


2,419 posted on 03/04/2010 7:37:10 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: STARWISE

Thank you, I had just read the whole thread before you pinged!


2,420 posted on 03/04/2010 7:44:15 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: potlatch

;)


2,421 posted on 03/04/2010 7:56:49 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE

It disturbs me a bit because it almost makes ‘disagreeing’ about something automatically make you a troll. No matter how long you’ve been here.

I could see it having an inhibiting effect on people.


2,422 posted on 03/04/2010 8:04:19 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: potlatch

The n00bies who have shown up here
on this subject are anything but inhibited.
And, they have exemplary and very worthy
adversaries ... ;)


2,423 posted on 03/04/2010 8:38:49 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: STARWISE
Yes, I've seen the ‘two in particular’ who have been causing trouble. That's obvious.

Some of the comments on the ‘troll’ thread bothered me though. They ‘posed’ questions that some might say, to the effect that if you disagreed at all about something Sarah was doing, you just had to be a troll.

It just made me uneasy, no big deal, lol.

2,424 posted on 03/04/2010 8:43:12 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: potlatch

Inhibiting effect on we “regular Freepers” who may disagree with something.


2,425 posted on 03/04/2010 8:51:21 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: potlatch; STARWISE

I seldom post on Sarah threads. 2012 is not here yet and it’s too early for the intense bickering.


2,426 posted on 03/04/2010 8:57:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I don't bicker, at least I don't think I do. There were a lot of comments on a thread about Sarah and a possible “reality show”.

Turns out it will possibly be more of a documentary. There was a lot of bickering there, lol.

Heading off for the night, cheers.

2,427 posted on 03/04/2010 9:05:37 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: potlatch
I meant posters on those threads do. Didn't mean you!

Night!

2,428 posted on 03/04/2010 9:06:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW; devolve

I knew that, no problem. lol


2,429 posted on 03/04/2010 9:09:11 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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It disturbs me a bit because it almost makes ‘disagreeing’ about something automatically make you a troll. No matter how long you’ve been here. I could see it having an inhibiting effect on people.

Today is the 65-year anniversary of the Battle of Iwo Jima. Of the 22,786 Japanese soldiers entrenched on the island, 21,570 died either from fighting or by ritual suicide. Many Japanese “popped” out of foxholes, even near the last day of the month-long battle, to kill as many Americans as possible before they themselves were dispatched.


Fast forward nearly three decades ...

Although NOT the last Japanese holdout, Shōichi Yokoi emerged from his hidden retreat on Guam in January 1972. Two shrimp trap fishermen saw Yokoi. Thinking he was a poacher from nearby village, the two fishermen managed to surprise and subdue Yokoi, carrying him out of the jungle to later reintroduce him to the modern world. (I actually went down inside Yokoi's hole in the jungle floor in 2001 when I was stationed on Guam).

Shoichi Yokoi cropped.jpg


Never be surprised of the enemy, who may lie in wait for YEARS, for the best opportunity to strike. IMO, we all need to allow discussion — up until the point — that it's blatantly obvious that the person is a contrarian troll and an intentional distractor, hell-bent on disrupting the free speech of others.

Sorry, that IS a subjective call, based upon the content of their postings (just as one is judged upon the content of their character). This is often attributed to noobies, but occasionally it includes people who have been a member of FR for years, lying in the trenches, and disguising themselves as a FRiend.


2,430 posted on 03/04/2010 11:18:06 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: little jeremiah
lj -

I posted during that discussion of the material in the photo so I did a forum search on myself and located a post from the big thread that will get you to the subject matter you want. Here is the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts

You weren't the only one obsessing!

2,431 posted on 03/05/2010 12:51:33 AM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: little jeremiah

Whoops, wrong link.

Right one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=7793#7793


2,432 posted on 03/05/2010 12:55:04 AM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54

Thank you. Goody, now I can obsess some more.


2,433 posted on 03/05/2010 8:58:02 AM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Seizethecarp
Well... the original links on the Punkster's announcement are broken. I was able to find this copy on line though, although I had to convert it to a jpeg from its original tiff image to load it up on photobucket:



It is 1024X768 resolution.

In comparison, here is the image that Orly released (as found on WND)



It is (you will notice immediately) a much lower resolution picture, only 614x529, and it is cropped from the Punkster's larger uncropped original. But you can look at the very dos on the cloth weave to see that they are the same photograph of the same document on the same background.
2,434 posted on 03/05/2010 1:30:02 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

WND’s article had numerous mistakes and they did not use Orly’s original image. There’s a discussion - a detailed one - of the WND article you referenced buried within the large BC thread. I’ll go see if I can find it and then I’ll post the link or copy the posts that explain it.


2,435 posted on 03/05/2010 1:35:01 PM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: Fred Nerks

I am the person who created the hoax Kenyan birth certificate and will be happy to answer any questions about it.

Earlier I provided the original, uncompressed TIF file from the camera to someone who told me of this thread. I imagine they will arrange to have it made available to the public.

I hope this will finally put an end to any speculation that the certificate was anything other than a prank.


2,436 posted on 03/05/2010 1:37:31 PM PST by KenyanBCPunkster
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To: EnderWiggins
Here is one of the posts concerning the WND article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=7370#7370

If you view replies, etc. and go forward a ways in the thread, you'll find more. I'm doing several things at the moment and can't focus on finding the whole jist of it but I'll try to get back to it later.

2,437 posted on 03/05/2010 1:59:28 PM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: KenyanBCPunkster; LucyT
I am the person who created the hoax Kenyan birth certificate and will be happy to answer any questions about it. Earlier I provided the original, uncompressed TIF file from the camera to someone who told me of this thread. I imagine they will arrange to have it made available to the public.

I hope this will finally put an end to any speculation that the certificate was anything other than a prank.


2,438 posted on 03/05/2010 2:01:08 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Natural Born 54

Don’t bother natural... we’ve been joined by the Punkster himself...


2,439 posted on 03/05/2010 2:01:56 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: little jeremiah
Check out this post - you probably have questions to ask:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2457491/posts?page=2436#2436

Poster says he is the person who created the hoax Kenyan BC.

2,440 posted on 03/05/2010 2:05:14 PM PST by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54

I now have the original uncompressed TIF image in my possession, but cannot load it up to a file sharing website from work.

I will get that done as soon as I’m home this evening.


2,441 posted on 03/05/2010 2:07:22 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: LucyT

KenyanBCPunkster
Since Mar 5, 2010


2,442 posted on 03/05/2010 2:09:30 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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Thanks, Fred Nerks; mind if I borrow your post?

I am the person who created the hoax Kenyan birth certificate and will be happy to answer any questions about it. Earlier I provided the original, uncompressed TIF file from the camera to someone who told me of this thread. I imagine they will arrange to have it made available to the public.

I hope this will finally put an end to any speculation that the certificate was anything other than a prank.

Image and video hosting by TinyPic

2,443 posted on 03/05/2010 2:13:14 PM PST by LucyT
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To: KenyanBCPunkster
I am the person who created the hoax Kenyan birth certificate and will be happy to answer any questions about it.

You mean the E.F. Lavender document...

2,444 posted on 03/05/2010 2:17:41 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: LucyT

Here you go. I found a file hosting site that was not blocked at work.

Anybody who wants to download the original uncompressed .tif of the FKBC presented by Orly can do so here:

http://FastFreeFileHosting.com/file/34316/DSCN3763-TIF.html

If you have questions about it, talk to KenyanBCPunkster.

I’m just gonna sit back and watch.


2,445 posted on 03/05/2010 2:19:53 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Cute, Ender.

I especially like the “I’ll just sit back and watch” bit.

Might trip yourself up trying to keep up with multiple identities, huh?

Tell George you’ve earned a raise.


2,446 posted on 03/05/2010 2:31:52 PM PST by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: Jedidah

This is rather, um, curious, isn’t it.


2,447 posted on 03/05/2010 2:35:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Jedidah

I gotta tell you... I would have LOVED to have been the Punkster. But alas, I have never been one to take credit for another’s work.

If you have questions for him, he went out of his way to register on FR to answer them. have fun.


2,448 posted on 03/05/2010 2:39:53 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Post 2444. He hasn’t answered.


2,449 posted on 03/05/2010 2:41:45 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: BP2
Check out this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2457491/posts?page=2436#2436

Poster says he is the person who created the hoax Kenyan BC.

2,450 posted on 03/05/2010 2:48:01 PM PST by Natural Born 54
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