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How Much Ammo, and Why?
Vanity | 3/8/10 | dagogo redux

Posted on 03/08/2010 7:58:06 AM PST by dagogo redux

With all the talk about the Second Amendment, the ammo shortage, and about what might lie ahead after November (or before), I thought it might be a reasonable vanity post to ask what sorts of quantities of ammo are practical for a person or household to stock for an “emergency”.

A few months ago, for instance, someone here said 6000 rounds for each firearm. More recently, someone said (I think) 3000 rounds for one’s primary battle rifle, and 500 rounds for each handgun and shot gun.

Answers may depend on many factors: for instance, the scenario you think most likely, or most worthwhile to prepare for, as well as the role you might see yourself playing in such a scenario (home defense, active maneuvers, underground resistance, etc), so posting these thoughts may help explain your reasoning.

"The more the merrier,” will occur to many, but practical answers would be more helpful. And HOW did you arrived at your answer - is it calculated in some way, something you were taught, a hunch, collected wisdom, etc? If you say 5000 rounds, why not 2500 or 10,000, etc. and what do you base that on?

Thanks for tolerating another vanity, and thanks for educating us with your answers.


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1 posted on 03/08/2010 7:58:06 AM PST by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux

Q1: Lots
Q2: Why not?


2 posted on 03/08/2010 7:59:58 AM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave.)
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To: dagogo redux

With my luck no matter how many rounds I have you can bet I will end up one short. :-)


3 posted on 03/08/2010 8:00:46 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: dagogo redux

With the current administration, it is probably unwise to say how much ammo you have lest you be branded an “arsenal” ,or worse.


4 posted on 03/08/2010 8:00:47 AM PST by bt579 (America elected a reader when it needs a leader. Clean the House in 2010, Right the Wrong in 2012.)
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To: dagogo redux

Ammo?? What ammo??


5 posted on 03/08/2010 8:01:52 AM PST by Bean Counter (I keeps mah ffigureseathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: dagogo redux
All of the ammo on the planet is worthless without the will and the skill to use it effectively.

That being said I consider 5K per rifle caliber, 2K per pistol caliber, 1K assorted shotgun loads, and about 10K .22.LR rifle rounds to be the minimum one should have laying about.

Those numbers are per person in the household.

Why? It helps me sleep at night. That's why.

L

6 posted on 03/08/2010 8:02:06 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: dagogo redux
Ammo can be good for barter as well.

How much "money" is enough?

7 posted on 03/08/2010 8:02:17 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: dagogo redux

Depends on who or what you shoot. If we are talking about an insurrection against Government zombie takeover then you only need enough rounds to procure your next cache of rounds (from your prey). Government zombies carry 5.56mm, 7.62mm and 9mm. So I would focus on those calibers and expect to be able to resupply after the ambush. So an initial cache of 1,000 would be respectable. If we are talking about real zombies, then you want 10,000 rounds of 12ga double aught buckshot. Even that much might not be enough. Make sure you have a slow runner in your group at all times. Just sayin.


8 posted on 03/08/2010 8:04:00 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: dagogo redux

200 rounds in the safe with the cash. If I can’t carry it I can’t use it. Then again I’m in a city so my primary plan is to get out of dodge.


9 posted on 03/08/2010 8:04:57 AM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Bean Counter

Ammo?? What ammo??


I don’t need ammo because I lost all my guns in the boating accident.


10 posted on 03/08/2010 8:05:07 AM PST by unkus
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To: dagogo redux

Man arrested for having too much ammo:

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2009/05/23/man-about-to-become-us-citizen-arrested-for-having-too-much-ammo/


11 posted on 03/08/2010 8:05:21 AM PST by Cagey
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To: dagogo redux

It’s one of the better alternatives to 401k’s. It will appreciate and, in time, will be an excellent barter.

Makes no diff what caliber you purchase. In time, someone will need it and you can exchange for what you need.

Only problem I foresee is storage.

Anyone know of any depositories out there where you can buy a set amount(say 100,000 rounds) and have it secured?


12 posted on 03/08/2010 8:05:54 AM PST by bestintxas
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To: dagogo redux

If I had 6,000 rounds for each firearm that I have...

I can only dream.

By the way...What is a “battle rifle”?


13 posted on 03/08/2010 8:09:10 AM PST by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: Lurker
5K per rifle caliber, 2K per pistol caliber, 1K assorted shotgun loads, and about 10K .22.LR rifle rounds to be the minimum one should have laying about.
Those numbers are per person in the household.

That's quite a "load" (pun intended) for a mom & dad with six kids!

God help them all if the house catches fire!!!

14 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:06 AM PST by Logic n' Reason ("Minds are like parachutes; they only function well when they are open.")
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To: dagogo redux; All
I don't keep any ammunition around the house. Since all my guns were taken by the tornado I only go shooting with other people who still own guns, and when I do i just go to the store and buy ammo for that day and use it all up at the range, and then I go home.

Honestly, it's a load off of my mind to not have to worry about someone coming in and stealing all those guns and all that ammunition I used to have here.

15 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:20 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Bean Counter

Bean are you one of those unlucky ones who lost all their firearms and ammo in an unfortunate boating accident? ;-)


16 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:21 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: dagogo redux

Enough for you, and however many of your neighbors are about to have an epiphany.


17 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:33 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dagogo redux

Don’t get hung up on numbers. Hoard what you can afford, not just what you think you’ll shoot. It is entirely possible that one day, our currency will be .22 LR.

And don’t stop with ammo. Hoard everything that you use daily that will keep.

Read FerFal’s blog about the economic collapse of Argentina. He said, more than anything, he wished he’d hoarded food beforehand, as well as ammo, precious metals (for use as currency and barter), and luxury items (for personal use and barter).

Heck, I’ve even started hoarding old copper pennies and nickels, because right now, they are the only currency that is actually worth face value (or a little more). Might sound silly to pay for everything in pennies and nickels, but paper money sure isn’t going to be worth anything if the economy crashes hard.

On the products you use everyday, look at the label. If it doesn’t say, “Made in USA”, you probably won’t be able to get it when TSHTF. Start hoarding now.


18 posted on 03/08/2010 8:10:37 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: dagogo redux

It is very scenario dependent. Do you expect to have to hunt for food? How long are you expecting there to be SHTF situation? It is much better to have ammo left over when things settle down vs running out in the middle. You can also use ammo for barter and trade. Another school of thought is, if I have a problem that can’t be solved with 200 rounds...then maybe I need to thinking about something bigger, or moving.


19 posted on 03/08/2010 8:11:44 AM PST by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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To: dagogo redux

I have a pretty decent amount, but no more than I feel I can safely move on my own, if necessary.


20 posted on 03/08/2010 8:11:54 AM PST by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: dagogo redux
You're right it depends on what you're trying to do. The more the merrier is a great concept but like you I'm struggling to maintain my inventories.

I came up with this as a start. I have 3 main weapons I'm stocking for and other weapons I have just for defense.

For my 3 primaries I'm going for 2K ammo each and then 500-1000 rounds for my secondaries. I'm close to 10K rounds all together so far with a goal of about 13K all told.

My largest inventory is the cheapest..... .22LR about 5K rounds. You want twice as much of .22 as everything else for training, small game, and if TSHTF....trade.

Just my humble 2 cents...once my initial goals are met, then I expand on the primaries and .22's even more.

In a nut shell, my strategy has been 2K each of .223, .40SW, .308
500 rnds each for 9mm and .44mag
1000 rnds .38

5K .22LR

All based on what I own and shoot and those are standing inventories, training rounds are not counted as part of inventory and are bought in addition. I'm also not counting shotguns rounds either as that is used strictly for home defense and hunting. I wing shoot several times a year. Safe storage is a must, that and cost are the primary reasons my inventories are not what i'd like them to be. if I could I'd have 10k rounds of EVRYTHING...LOL

21 posted on 03/08/2010 8:13:12 AM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: dagogo redux

Keep in mind lead is an excellent food preservative.


22 posted on 03/08/2010 8:13:42 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
Make sure you have a slow runner in your group at all times. Just sayin.

So, that's why the guys let me play!

TS

23 posted on 03/08/2010 8:14:53 AM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Actually, depends on what zombies you speak of, here in Mass the police are all moving to .40 S&W cartridges, so that’s also going to be plentiful.


24 posted on 03/08/2010 8:16:37 AM PST by gjones77
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

http://thejaghunter.wordpress.com/
check it out scan down to article about request for german troops and just maybe get all the ammo you can.


25 posted on 03/08/2010 8:16:41 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: dagogo redux

Always go higher. Ammo will never be without value. If you have excess you can trade it. DOn’t forget also you need to practice now and then.


26 posted on 03/08/2010 8:16:58 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: dagogo redux
Never mind November; Zombies are an ever-present threat...



27 posted on 03/08/2010 8:17:38 AM PST by Redcloak (Messin' up threads since 1998)
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To: montomike

“By the way...What is a “battle rifle”?”
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Loosely defined, whatever rifle you are bringing to the fight, I imagine. More tightly defined, things like AKs, AR-15s and M1As - rifled infantry weapons actually designed for battles.


28 posted on 03/08/2010 8:19:53 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


29 posted on 03/08/2010 8:20:32 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

It’s not hoarding when there isn’t a crisis. It’s called stockpiling. Don’t use a term like that and set the guy up to hang himself when he says he’s ‘hoarding’ and they think he’s just admitted to something he’s not doing.


30 posted on 03/08/2010 8:20:49 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: montomike

“Wikipedia” should have a really wordy definition.

Essentially a rifle manufactured for sale to a military for use as their “main battle rifle” M-16, M-1 M-14 03 Springfield, etc, etc. Not just US manufacture.


31 posted on 03/08/2010 8:21:40 AM PST by wita
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To: dagogo redux
How much can you afford to buy?

If you use up 2000 rounds in battle and you are still alive the bad guys are really bad shots. 2000 rounds is a good number to use for your rifle. It is a good policy to have a second rifle in the same caliber in case of failure in your primary rifle.

In the selection of a rifle stick to calibers that are common as there is much more ammo available for these. I would suggest the 30:06, .223, and the .308. All of those are military rounds and there is a lot of that ammo out there. If you can afford it buy two rifles in each caliber and sufficient ammo for them.

500 rounds of hand gun ammo is sufficient. I keep more but I shoot a lot. Stick to common calibers i.e. 45CP, 9mm.

When I shoot I replace it with a like amount of new ammo.

There is quite a bit of corrosive ammo out there that is not bad stuff and is cheap. It shoots well and if it has been stored in a spam can it will be good. However, CLEAN YOUR WEAPON after using it and you will not have a problem

32 posted on 03/08/2010 8:26:15 AM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: dagogo redux

I reload both smokeless and black powder. I make extra money reloading for friends. I cast many of my own bullets that don’t require jacketing. Getting enough primers can be a problem especially with unusual or antique calibers.
If TSHTF anyone with the equipment and knowhow to reload will be a very popular person. I’m learning how to knap flint now. When the cartridges run out a flintlock will always work to put food on the table or take care of problems.


33 posted on 03/08/2010 8:27:30 AM PST by Leg Olam
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To: dagogo redux

As much as you think you can store. Whenever the State Run Media reports on somebody’s ammo stash they make it sound like thousands of rounds fills up an entire room. In reality, a thousand rounds of, say, 7.62x39, will fit nicely in the space of two shoe boxes.


34 posted on 03/08/2010 8:28:44 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Democrats and Pelosi. The party of thieves, liars and tax cheats)
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To: dagogo redux

I think people go way overboard on these things.

Try to imagine a scenario in which you personally need and use several thousand rounds.

In that kind of battle, would you really survive long enough to fire several thousand rounds?

And when you’re dead, now the bad guys have all that’s left of your ammo.


35 posted on 03/08/2010 8:29:29 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: Bean Counter

I’m stocking up on paint balls — pretty soon that will be restricted too.


36 posted on 03/08/2010 8:31:25 AM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: gjones77

Actually, depends on what zombies you speak of, here in Mass the police are all moving to .40 S&W cartridges, so that’s also going to be plentiful.

Know your prey. If Govt zombies are your infestation problem I would still stay with 9mm and 5.56mm, reason being that the first line of zombies carrying .40 S&W are limited in numbers whereas the 5.56mm come in greater quantities. Also, if you win your first encounter, you would have a .40 S&W as a backup. If you loose your first encounter, then the question is moot.


37 posted on 03/08/2010 8:35:34 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: dagogo redux

38 posted on 03/08/2010 8:46:12 AM PST by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

All of my guns and ammo were lost in that awful fire...the day after Hussein was elected. Naturally I haven’t replenished my supplies as we now have a post-racial, post-political “WUNDERKIND” in the Whitey House. There is no longer any crime, freedom abounds and the M1A1 in my yard is just for show.


39 posted on 03/08/2010 8:50:20 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: dagogo redux

If one is not prepared to use 6 then 6000 is pointless.


40 posted on 03/08/2010 8:52:10 AM PST by Eagle Eye (The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.)
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To: Kartographer

Mine was an unfortunate RV fire.


41 posted on 03/08/2010 8:53:04 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Pessimist

Do not think of a single event but a lasting situation.


42 posted on 03/08/2010 8:53:42 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: dagogo redux

Last count - 126,000 rounds of 7.62x39. It goes down by about 1,000 a month.


43 posted on 03/08/2010 8:59:02 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: unkus
I don’t need ammo because I lost all my guns in the boating accident.

I was there! Both of our boats collided then sank into the abyss - we barely made it out, but somehow salvaged the beer which we consumed during our fruitless search for the weaponry!

44 posted on 03/08/2010 9:00:42 AM PST by JD91
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To: Pessimist

“Try to imagine a scenario in which you personally need and use several thousand rounds.”

Imagine instead that you need a couple hundred rounds a month, and your neighbor needs about the same from you to cover his zone, and the ammo store is a burned out husk, and fedex isn’t about to drive down your block this month, or year.


45 posted on 03/08/2010 9:02:35 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Secret Agent Man; FLAMING DEATH
"It’s not hoarding when there isn’t a crisis. It’s called stockpiling. Don’t use a term like that and set the guy up to hang himself when he says he’s ‘hoarding’ and they think he’s just admitted to something he’s not doing."

More or less words right out of my mouth. Good advice.

46 posted on 03/08/2010 9:02:39 AM PST by nralife
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To: Lurker
All of the ammo on the planet is worthless without the will and the skill to use it effectively.

That's the heart of the matter, isn't it? For those without a rifleman's training, get thee to an Appleseed event taco pronto. It's all about skill and motivation. At an Appleseed, those of us without tsuch training will hopefully begin to acquire both.

Stop feeding the raccoons. Starve the monkeys. Starving The Monkeys

P.S. - there's no such thing as too much ammunition, eh?

47 posted on 03/08/2010 9:10:00 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: montomike
By the way...What is a “battle rifle”?

As others have pointed out, Wikipedia gives the accepted definition, "a military service weapon that fires a full power rifle cartridge" and then they go on and blow it by including the M-16/AR-15.

5.56x45mm is NOT a full power cartridge. 7.62x39mm is NOT a full power cartridge. 30-06, 7.62x54R and 7.62x51mm ARE examples of full power rifle cartridges.

Here's a good essay on some issues they have in Afghanistan with the M16.

48 posted on 03/08/2010 9:12:57 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Oldpuppymax

There is no longer any crime, freedom abounds and the M1A1 in my yard is just for show.

Do not attempt a bunker scenario in your own backyard. If the zombies are a problem, see to it that you attack them in their comfort zone, not yours. This will make them less confident and will retard their wanderings.


49 posted on 03/08/2010 9:16:52 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: dagogo redux

If, one day, you could never buy ammo or primers again, how much would you need to have a reserve and still be able to practice enough for the rest of your life? Can you afford to invest in that much, and store it safely?

BTW, a local Walmart recently lifted their six box limit, and the other day at Dicks I saw ammo ON SALE (not just for sale, on sale).


50 posted on 03/08/2010 9:18:54 AM PST by Darth Reardon (Im running for the US Senate for a simple reason, I want to win a Nobel Peace Prize - Rubio)
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