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1 posted on 06/29/2010 4:36:03 AM PDT by mattstat
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Yeah, it is.


2 posted on 06/29/2010 4:43:30 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (He promised hope; he gave us hype. He promised change; he gave us chains!)
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Good problem for an actuary...too early in the morning for me.


3 posted on 06/29/2010 4:44:50 AM PDT by FrankR (Standing against tyranny must start somewhere, or the future belongs to the tyrants.)
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Your probability is 100%, or 1.


5 posted on 06/29/2010 4:49:45 AM PDT by StonyMan451
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It’s an easy problem. Write out the possibilities.


6 posted on 06/29/2010 4:50:39 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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Good article; thanks for posting!


7 posted on 06/29/2010 4:51:17 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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It’s all about how you ask the question.


10 posted on 06/29/2010 4:55:07 AM PDT by Poser (Enjoying tasty animals for 58 years)
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If your son was born last Tuesday, the probability you have two sons is 2/3.


12 posted on 06/29/2010 4:56:14 AM PDT by Marylander
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Complete baloney! The author correctly states that, for probability calculations, “The first—and most important—rule of counting is this: What is everything that can happen? In the “Mrs Smith” problem, given the information provided, everything that can happen is this:

Boy, Girl
Girl, Boy
Boy, Boy.”

The list should include all the DIFFERENT possibilities. Possibilities 1 and 2 are the same for purposes of the problem. Therefore the probability is (close to) 1/2, not 1/3.


13 posted on 06/29/2010 4:56:46 AM PDT by pelican001
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It doesn’t say “only” one born on Tuesday.


14 posted on 06/29/2010 4:56:56 AM PDT by Poser (Enjoying tasty animals for 58 years)
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15 posted on 06/29/2010 4:57:16 AM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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You are very blessed, at least until they reach their teens and college ages.


16 posted on 06/29/2010 4:57:24 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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If you had one child on a tuesday, and it was a boy, the odds that a second child born would be a boy would be one in two. The probability of a future event is not affected by a past event.

But that’s not what this topic is about. What we’re asking is “of those families with two children and at least one boy, how many have two boys?” There are two possibilities for one girl and one boy (first child is a girl, or the second child is a girl), and only one possibility for two boys.


18 posted on 06/29/2010 4:58:05 AM PDT by dangus
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I would disagree. Odds are 1/3 no matter if the day of the week is specified.

This is a variation of the Monty Hall Problem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem


24 posted on 06/29/2010 5:08:32 AM PDT by Toskrin (When you're down on your luck, just remember that somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi.)
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This is simply an ambiguously worded problem. The grammar used does not absolutely rule out that the other child is also a son born on a Tuesday. To be unambiguous, it should have said, "I have two children, one and only one is a son born on a Tuesday."

This is less a "tricky" probability question than a tricky and ambiguous grammar question. So I cry foul.

25 posted on 06/29/2010 5:10:17 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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Whatever the other child is, it is NOT a son born on Tuesday.

So what are the possibilities?

It could be a son born on one of the other six days of the week.
Or it could be a daughter born on any of the seven days of the week.

So that’s 13 possible outcomes. Six of those outcomes leads to two sons.

Whatever the percentage is, the answer is 6/13


28 posted on 06/29/2010 5:18:15 AM PDT by djf
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I have two children, one of whom is a son born on a Tuesday. What is the probability that I have two boys?

13/27 if you mean at least one boy born on a Tuesday. 6/13 if you mean one and only one boy born on a Tuesday.

Just figure the odds of each of the three sex/day combinations:

Boy Tuesday (bt) = 1/14
Boy not Tuesday (bnt) = 6/14
Girl (g) = 7/14 = 1/2

Form a table of all nine ordered combinations (bt*bt = 1/196, bt*bnt = 6/196, bnt*bt = 6/196, etc.) and throw out the ones which don't have at least one bt (maybe also throw out the one with two bt depending on whether you want one and only one boy born on Tuesday). Then take the sum of the pairs with two boys (13/196) divided by the sum of all allowed combinations (27/196) and get the answer (13/27).

29 posted on 06/29/2010 5:19:29 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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Hey! I’m getting ready to go on vacation tomorrow. Now my head hurts...


33 posted on 06/29/2010 5:32:10 AM PDT by laker_dad
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There is no probability, since both have already been born.


36 posted on 06/29/2010 5:41:50 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism: severe deterioration of the thinking apparattus)
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One child has been identified as a boy. There is only one variable - the “other child.” If you play the birth order game, it's still 50/50:

Boy, Girl
Boy, Boy

Girl, Boy
Boy, Boy

The “born on a Tuesday” is irrelevant to the question asked.

37 posted on 06/29/2010 5:52:55 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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One child is a son.

The other child is either a son or a daughter.

Assume for the sake of this discussion that the birth of boys and girls is of equal probability.

The probability that the second child is a son is 1/2.

Variations on the question such as “I have two children, one a son born on Tuesday; what is the probability that my firstborn is a boy?” have different answers.

The answer to the question as posed is “1/2”.


41 posted on 06/29/2010 6:07:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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