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DeMint Once Backed Mandate He Now Blasts As “Unconstitutional”
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Posted on 10/01/2010 5:24:12 PM PDT by Joe27

DeMint recently denounced the mandate in the Senate bill as follows:

Not only is an individual mandate unconstitutional, but it will increase premiums for hard-working Americans — further making insurance coverage unaffordable — and will force more people onto government-run programs.

But during the presidential primaries, DeMint endorsed the health care plan Romney developed as Governor of Massachusetts, calling it “innovative” and claiming he supported Romney because he “believes all Americans should have a health plan that they can afford, own and keep.” __________________________________

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I'll say a few things here knowing that I'll get hounded by readers but I have a question that I want some thoughts on, not just sarcastic responses with funny pictures. ;)

DeMint backed Romney in 2008. I haven't found anything from him (though I could be definitely wrong on this one and please tell me if I am) distancing himself from Mitt. If so, and this is the time that he could easily do that, I think he'll back him in 2012.

From what I've gathered working at GOP HQs in my part of the country (eastern North Carolina), Mitt is more liked by the Tea Party movement in general than Free Republic users. I think he has a better shot than we believe, especially is we get a series of more conservative candidates splitting the vote (like if Gingrich, Palin and Huckabee all run).

It seems like we've made up our mind on Mitt but it isn't really in line with some of the heros we've created.

Case in point: I was at a county HQ site the other day and talked about Obamacare with the volunteer. She pulled out stuff from the Heritage Foundation on Obamacare and when we got on to a 2012 discussion, she expressed reservations about Romneycare. I shared with her that the Heritage Foundation was involved in crafting it, that there are similarities between Romneycare and Hillycare-era Republican proposals and Jim DeMint, a guy we all love, backed Romney and spoke well of his plan in 2008.

She almost instantly softened up. I'm not saying thats what all conservatives will do but I was amazed that it went that direction. Just to finish this story, I told her to keep an eye on Mitch Daniels- he doesn't require much swallowing.

So, where do you stand on Mitt and DeMint?

Keep up the work guys. If anyone else is from NC, there is a tea party in little Washington soon.

1 posted on 10/01/2010 5:24:13 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: Joe27

Both of them are far far better than any democrat I can think of.


2 posted on 10/01/2010 5:30:41 PM PDT by Undocumented_capitalist (Pure is the enemy of good.)
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To: Joe27

Huh?


3 posted on 10/01/2010 5:31:35 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: Joe27

FUMR! Baby killing statist scumbag! RomneyCare = ObamaCare!


4 posted on 10/01/2010 5:32:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Just vote them OUT!!)
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To: Joe27

“So, where do you stand on Mitt and DeMint?”

Our choices were slim for the 2008 run. McCain proved that. Thompson never took off. Huckabee had a few glimmers. Romney may have been one of the better of that slim field.

I think DeMint runs himself, or on a ticket with Palin. I hope Mitt either doesn’t run or is out early. Too many negatives for the base, starting with the fact that he’s cozy with the GOP establishment. It is not the era to be cozy with the establishment.

It’s time to stand on the US Constitution and run by listening WELL to the people of America - and the base (Conservatives) of the GOP - not the establishment.


5 posted on 10/01/2010 5:33:24 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (T minus 32 days to SMACKDOWN - Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Joe27

There will be no pro-Romney campaign on FR! I’ll ban every pro-Romney poster if I have to.


6 posted on 10/01/2010 5:34:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Just vote them OUT!!)
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To: Undocumented_capitalist

“Both of them are far far better than any democrat I can think of.”

That’s true. But that only goes so far...


7 posted on 10/01/2010 5:35:04 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (T minus 32 days to SMACKDOWN - Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Joe27

No way is Mitt like by Tea Party people in general...some maybe but not by a majority.

He supported TARP...He believed that there should have been some type of Stimulus just not too much, he push RomneyCare and other RINO’s ways

His time was 2008, but it’s 2010 & 2012 a whole new and different ballgame!


8 posted on 10/01/2010 5:35:57 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Joe27

Hmm starting the attacks early on Demint, eh?

Someone must consider him a threat...like they did Sarah.


9 posted on 10/01/2010 5:36:20 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Bigtigermike

“His time was 2008, but it’s 2010 & 2012 a whole new and different ballgame!”

Totally agree with this. Mitt’s history (or at least I hope so!)


10 posted on 10/01/2010 5:37:30 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (T minus 32 days to SMACKDOWN - Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Joe27

Where Demint stands today is important.


11 posted on 10/01/2010 5:38:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Thanks Joe27.
Joe27: "From what I've gathered working at GOP HQs in my part of the country (eastern North Carolina), Mitt is more liked by the Tea Party movement in general than Free Republic users. I think he has a better shot than we believe... I was at a county HQ site the other day and talked about Obamacare with the volunteer. She pulled out stuff from the Heritage Foundation on Obamacare and when we got on to a 2012 discussion, she expressed reservations about Romneycare. I shared with her that the Heritage Foundation was involved in crafting it, that there are similarities between Romneycare and Hillycare-era Republican proposals and Jim DeMint, a guy we all love, backed Romney and spoke well of his plan in 2008. She almost instantly softened up. I'm not saying thats what all conservatives will do but I was amazed that it went that direction.

12 posted on 10/01/2010 5:38:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Joe27
Romney is a scumbag abortionist.

If DeMint backs him for 2012, he's no better then Willard.

13 posted on 10/01/2010 5:39:53 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Go SARAH!


14 posted on 10/01/2010 5:41:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s part of what I asked for in the post. I’m not challenging you. I want some current DeMint statements on Mitt; I mentioned that I hadn’t found anything, but if you’re aware of it...please link me to it.


15 posted on 10/01/2010 5:42:47 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: Freddd

I’m a Mitt backer attacking DeMint by tying him to Mitt?

Eh, its just one of the attacks I knew I’d get for posting this.


16 posted on 10/01/2010 5:43:54 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: SeattleBruce
"Our choices were slim for the 2008 run."


That is true, though I still disagree with supporting Mitt. Prior to the Florida Primary I would have agreed that he was preferable to McCain. He then proceeded to attack McCain from the left by airing commercials criticizing McCain's failure to vote on spending bills related to senior citizens and prescription drugs. Still, DeMint is more conservative than just about any other perspective candidate, so my disagreement with him on this one aside, I would gladly support him should he decide to run. Mike Pence would be another one who would get my attention.
17 posted on 10/01/2010 5:44:19 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Jim Robinson

A million thank yous from me.


18 posted on 10/01/2010 5:47:22 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Joe27
No, Free Republic will never support Romneycare.


19 posted on 10/01/2010 5:47:35 PM PDT by 50mm (I don't use drugs, my dreams are frightening enough.)
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To: Bigtigermike

I know you didn’t mention him but as part of this larger theme: Do we then say “no” to Thune for his TARP vote?

I’m not backing Romney, I’m saying: Let’s apply to same rules to all GOPers. We have an establishment insider like Dick Armey playing a big role in our outsider movement. We can’t make the mistake of just forgiving the guys we like...that’s how we’ll fail in our mission of restoring conservatism as the standard for the party.


20 posted on 10/01/2010 5:48:06 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: rob777

Thanks for that reply to the topic.

My question is not: Do we support Mitt? Do we support Obomneycare? It’s how can we prop up other conservatives as heros when they’ve been supporters in the past of the stuff we’re really fighting?


21 posted on 10/01/2010 5:50:04 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: Joe27

Demint on romney
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/15/demint-not-sold-on-romney-as-2012-approaches/

DeMint told CNN Monday he isn’t sure he’ll endorse Romney this time around - even though Romney was recently in South Carolina raising money for the senator’s re-election bid.

“Mitt is still near the top of my list of candidates, but I want to look and see who steps up to the plate,” DeMint said after a fundraiser with Florida Senate candidate Marco Rubio. “Frankly I think we need to wait until after the 2010 election to see what happens in Congress.”

Asked to name some candidates he might support instead, DeMint pointed to Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, marking the second time he has floated


22 posted on 10/01/2010 5:50:54 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Joe27
But during the presidential primaries, DeMint endorsed the health care plan Romney developed as Governor of Massachusetts, calling it “innovative” and claiming he supported Romney because he “believes all Americans should have a health plan that they can afford, own and keep.”

Thanks for the heads up. It isn't an 'attack' to point out a legislators record.

23 posted on 10/01/2010 5:51:06 PM PDT by TeachableMoment
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,

Please help me have a useful discussion. My question is not: Do we support Mitt? Do we support Obomneycare? It’s how can we prop up other conservatives as heros when they’ve been supporters in the past of the stuff we’re really fighting?


24 posted on 10/01/2010 5:51:43 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: Joe27

Mitt Romney is loved by the Tea Party? Huh? What do you get paid by Romney? 6.25 an hour?


25 posted on 10/01/2010 5:52:06 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: RummyChick

interesting quote....
“”I don’t want to be president,” DeMint told reporters. “The fact is, anyone who really wants to be president right now doesn’t understand how much trouble we are in as a country.”


26 posted on 10/01/2010 5:52:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Jim Robinson
"There will be no pro-Romney campaign on FR!"


Where is there any evidence in the post of a pro-Romney campaign? If anything there might have been an attempt to question DeMint's conservative credentials by tying him to Mitt. That hardly qualifies as a pro-Mitt campaign.
27 posted on 10/01/2010 5:52:31 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Joe27

For crying out loud!
Are “we” already reduced to Romney bashing, once removed?

I’d have been much more entheusiastic about a Romney campaign than the McCain campaign.
Let’s face it, our entire 2008 slate was pretty uninspiring.
If Jim’s backing of Romney is the worst you can say about him, then I am suspect of your motives for the reach.


28 posted on 10/01/2010 5:52:45 PM PDT by G Larry (Patty-cake diplomacy must give way to strong, decisive action!)
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To: Joe27
Demint is by FAR the best conservative Senator in Washington...BUT he did back Romeny and he DID back FEDERAL Obama care back when it was called Romeny care. The man is the best we have and he is a political hack who cannot be trusted.
29 posted on 10/01/2010 5:52:45 PM PDT by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... travishankins.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the GOP runs with Romney....they sign their own dead certificate.


30 posted on 10/01/2010 5:54:55 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Jim Robinson

Excellent...Kick ‘em all out. I am tired of “politically savvy”


31 posted on 10/01/2010 5:55:03 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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To: G Larry

Jim DeMint, like a lot of prominent GOPers, couldn’t have sat out on an endorsement in 2008? He was one of the earliest supporters. He didn’t say “Well, Mitt’s just the least of the evils.” He was out there very early with Romney.


32 posted on 10/01/2010 5:57:33 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: rob777

“Still, DeMint is more conservative than just about any other perspective candidate, so my disagreement with him on this one aside, I would gladly support him should he decide to run. Mike Pence would be another one who would get my attention.”

Agreed. I also like Paul Ryan, although the last (only?) President from the HoR was Gerald Ford and that through the VPOTUS route first. What about Palin, Bachmann, et al?


33 posted on 10/01/2010 5:57:47 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (T minus 32 days to SMACKDOWN - Tea Party like it's 1773! Pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep - I would rather vote for Hitlary.

At least she is so despised, she would get noting done.


34 posted on 10/01/2010 5:57:47 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: G Larry

The problem with DeMint is backing Romneycare, not neccesarily just Romney’s 2008 campaign.


35 posted on 10/01/2010 5:58:57 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: Joe27
I think he has a better shot than we believe, especially is we get a series of...

Well the part where we get "series"...is classic.

I can't believe Mitt is liked by the majority of Tea Party folks.

36 posted on 10/01/2010 6:00:17 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Joe27
"My question is not: Do we support Mitt?"


That part I understood. My mistake was assuming that the question was whether we supported DeMint given that he supported Romney in 2008. My answer was that I disagreed with him on that but did not hold it against him when it comes to who I would support in 2012. The options in 2008 were not very good after Thompson dropped out.




"Do we support Obomneycare?"


I would hope the the answer to that question is an unequivocal NO!
37 posted on 10/01/2010 6:01:50 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you Jim! Behind you all the way on this one!


38 posted on 10/01/2010 6:03:02 PM PDT by VastRWCon (Taxed to Death)
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To: Osage Orange

I didn’t say he is liked by a majority. I didn’t mention any amount. I just said he is liked less here than in the overall tea party movement.

I think you follow the future of the party enough to know that lots of other potential conservatives have been named. Those three are just the most notable ones at the moment.

I figured the responses would turn into “You back Mitt!” and not adressing whether or not we should really hail DeMint when he’s been right with Mitt in the past.


39 posted on 10/01/2010 6:04:29 PM PDT by Joe27
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To: G Larry; Jim Robinson

***If Jim’s backing of Romney is the worst you can say about him, then I am suspect of your motives for the reach.**

When discussing anyone named ‘Jim’ please include the last name.

It took me several attempts to realize you mean Jim DeMint not Jim Robinson.

In tepid defense of RomneyCare - it was not a Federal mandate - did not attempt to destroy Insurance companies, take over physicians’ practices & hospitals, or dictate medical care.

On Jim DeMint’s strange comment about others wanting to be POTUS and not realizing how bad the situation is ...????? That is very shallow thinking.


40 posted on 10/01/2010 6:04:45 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: RummyChick; Joe27; Jim Robinson
My gosh, that's from March, 2010.

this is recent - with Greta - 9/17/2010

He named MITT ROMNEY, SARAH PALIN and NEWT GINGHRICH in that order.

- - - - - - - - - - -

I hope DeMint isn't trying to elect conservatives only to back Romney (again) because Romney is totally unacceptable, just like Jim said.

41 posted on 10/01/2010 6:06:34 PM PDT by onyx (If you support Sarah and want on her Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Joe27
"The problem with DeMint is backing Romneycare, not neccesarily just Romney’s 2008 campaign."


That is a good point and it is a question that should be asked of DeMint should he run. Other than Mike Pence I do not see any other perspective candidate making noise about running who is as conservative.
42 posted on 10/01/2010 6:08:28 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Jim Robinson

“There will be no pro-Romney campaign on FR! I’ll ban every pro-Romney poster if I have to.”

That’s music to my ears.


43 posted on 10/01/2010 6:08:38 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: sodpoodle

Demint teamed with Wyden and sent a letter to President Bush in 2007 in an effort to bring a universal coverage individual mandate (Romney care) into law.


44 posted on 10/01/2010 6:09:05 PM PDT by Gipper08 (a real conservative for Congress... travishankins.com)
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To: Gipper08

WOW - that’s new and crunchy.


45 posted on 10/01/2010 6:12:18 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: sodpoodle

http://healthcare-economist.com/2007/02/14/youve-got-mail/

The Washington Post reports today (“U.S. Senators…“) that 5 Democratic and 5 Republican senators have signed a letter requesting that President Bush “fix the American health care system.” What does fixing the health care system entail for senators Kohl (D-WI), Thune (R-SD), Wyden (D-OR), DeMint (R-SC), Conrad (D-ND), Bennett (R-UT), Salazar (D-CO), Lott (R-MS), Cantwell (D-WA) and Crapo (R-ID)? The senators pointed to six major issues. Below are a listing of each issue along with my commentary.

1. “Ensure that all Americans would have affordable, quality, private health coverage, while protecting current government programs.” Everyone wants quality goods for affordable prices. I would love to have eaten a quality Maine lobster tonight for dinner and paid only $1, but that is not likely to happen. Generally, there is a tradeoff between quality and cost, but most politicians do not seem to realize this. Also, while I agree with the senators that health insurance should be administered by private companies, I believe that government health insurance programs such as Medicaid and Medicare could be replaced with subsidies for private insurance.
2. Modernize tax rules. I concur with the senators that the health insurance tax deduction as it currently stands not only favors the wealthy but also distortionary.
3. Create incentives for states to design health solutions. Decentralization is a great idea.
4. Focus on prevention strategies. Although I agree that money spent on known preventative treatments are often cost saving in the long run, the majority of health care spending is for supply-sensitive costs (see P4P post). A focus on preventative care is good policy, but is unlikely to decrease medical costs significantly.
5. Encourage cost-effective chronic care and more compassionate end-of-life care. These suggestions are too general and thus have no teeth. Of course more effective care is better, but do the senators want the government to restrict less cost-effective care? How will the government evaluate which treatments will be placed in the ‘less-effective care’ category? Also, it is basically impossible for policy-makers to measure something as abstract as a ‘compassion level’.
6. “Improve access to information on price and quality of health services.” This is a important role for the government to fulfill (see post on California healthcare quality report card).


46 posted on 10/01/2010 6:21:54 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Jim Robinson

Hear! Hear! Thank you so much, Jim!


47 posted on 10/01/2010 6:23:45 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: RummyChick

So is Demint for the death panels???????

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/barone/2007/2/13/healthcare-legislation-in-this-congress.html

5)Encourage more cost-effective chronic and compassionate end-of-life care. Studies show that an increase in health care spending
does not always mean an increase in quality of outcomes. All Americans should be empowered to make decisions about their end of life care, not be forced into hospice care without other options. We hope to work with you on policies that address these issues.


48 posted on 10/01/2010 6:25:05 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Joe27

The “Demint is a rebel conservative” is just a fund raising scheme. The GOP knows ppl are pissed at the Senate Repubs and are withholding donations. Amazing how gullible ppl are.


49 posted on 10/01/2010 6:37:57 PM PDT by brrian
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To: Osage Orange

I don’t think it will be Romney in 2012. Simply because there are a slew of better candidates available. Thune, Christy, Barbour, and a couple of house reps, none of whom ran in 2008.


50 posted on 10/01/2010 7:10:33 PM PDT by Undocumented_capitalist (Pure is the enemy of good.)
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