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Air Force Staff Sergeant Refusing Orders Until Obama's Eligibility Dealt With
Birther Report ^ | Aug.13,2011

Posted on 08/14/2011 1:58:41 PM PDT by charlene4

Here is the email from Air Force Staff Sergeant Moran,

My name is Daryn J. Moran. I am a SSgt in the USAF stationed in Germany.

I called Pastor Manning of the Manning Report just recently (Youtube video posted below) to share my concern for our country. Boils down that I have not gone in to work last Thurs. and Fri. First time I was AWOL in nearly 13 years. Until B. Obama provides a birth certificate which stands up to professional examination, not even mentioning the seriousness of the fact that his father was never an American, I no longer serve the Armed Forces or take orders.

Basically, I'd rather follow Mr. Lakin, the ex-Army officer who went to Ft. Leavenworth, into war against our real enemies.

My family is in turmoil because I cannot change my heart to support Obama, or protect his criminality. I love America and the Constitution and stand against B. Obama. He should be arrested.

(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: barrysoetoro; birthcertificate; birthcertifigate; certifigate; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama; palin; usurper
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To: Mr Rogers
Fine! Start disobeying the tax laws, so YOU can be a soldier in the cause! And start thinking about how YOU will decorate your 80 sq ft of prison...

I am unaware of how the tax laws might be unconstitutional. I believe the 16th Amendment is widely interpreted as the legitimizing authority regarding them. Even so, were I to regard them as illegal and unconstitutional, I am currently under no obligation to give away my position by exposing myself to retaliation.

You are as sensible about this as you ever are about anything.

182 posted on 08/15/2011 9:16:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: charlene4
Obama is still safe when this happens onesey twosey. Its when a full unit including Commander refuses orders until Obama proves eligibility is when the game really starts.

Sadly this brave man will be deposited in the meat grinder. I applaud his effort and commitment but I wish for his sake he drops this and goes back to his duties!

183 posted on 08/15/2011 9:18:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Elendur
absolutely. he’s a fraud, and a criminal. the IMPOSSIBLE Connecticut SSN alone, proves that.

Sven Magnesson (sp) suggests that the Connecticut social security number is the result of an Organization designed to rescue ex-pat children from foreign countries. The theory is that this Organization (Of Which I have forgotten the name) was appointed by the US Government to represent Obama in his efforts to return to US Citizenship after being expatriated to Indonesia by his idiot mother. He suggests (or claims) that their National offices are in Connecticut, and as representatives of the child in their care, they can work around the requirements for individuals having to apply in person.

It is an interesting theory, and there are some small bits and pieces here and there that make it seem plausible, but till more proof (one way or the other) presents itself, at this point it is just something to keep in the back of your mind.

In any case, if it turns out to be true, then Obama will have a legitimate Social Security number from Connecticut.

184 posted on 08/15/2011 9:27:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Look, it’s totally acceptable to question Obama’s eligiblity. It is not acceptable to have military members refuse to obey orders. If we allow that, where is the line?

It is their DUTY to refuse to obey Orders until satisfactory proof is presented that their commander is legitimate. The line is that we don't let lawyer tricks prevent the truth from outing.

185 posted on 08/15/2011 9:41:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: McCloud-Strife
I've been in the service for 20 years and still going; and long before I joined the oath of enlistment has been EXACTLY the same. To obey the orders of the president and the officers appointed over you and in the case of the Guard, the orders of the governor. It's the oath my father took, and his father if I am not mistaken. That is how the chain of command works. I obey my supervisor who obeys his commander, who obeys the General, who obeys the head of the Air Force who obeys the Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who obeys the president.

The following is the text of the Officers oath of office.

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

The Officers oath is to the Constitution, not the chain of command.

The enlisted oath is to Constitution, then the President and the chain of command.

"I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I would suggest that means the Constitution comes first, and if there is a conflict between the first part and the second part, the Constitution wins the conflict.

186 posted on 08/15/2011 10:04:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: Pilsner
This clown didn't just refuse to get on an airplane, he called for the Commander in Chief to be hunted down and arrested.

Wow. That's bad. This jackass is essentially calling for a military coup. I'm no lawyer, but a member of the armed forces calling for a coup against a dully elected president sounds like treason. I hope they throw the book at him.

187 posted on 08/15/2011 10:05:27 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: DiogenesLamp
I would suggest that means the Constitution comes first, and if there is a conflict between the first part and the second part, the Constitution wins the conflict.

True. However, this does not give each individual serviceman the power of constitutional adjudication. Servicemembers must accept the judgement of the civilian branches of government as to the constitutional eligibility of their commander in chief, as well as every other constitutional question.

To give the military the power to determine eligibility of the president would destroy the principle of civilian government.

That's why an individual service member who questions the eligility of his commander in chief, when that eligibility is accepted by all civilian branches of government, is committing treason.

188 posted on 08/15/2011 10:18:18 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: 21stCenturion
I’M not the one promoting insurrection or lawlessness on the part of the Military — that’s YOU and your precious Cdr K.

Yes you are. You are saying they should accept illegitimacy without challenging it, a direct violation of their oath of service and oath of office. YOU are promoting lawlessness by urging them to violate their oath by ignoring constitutional requirements.

189 posted on 08/15/2011 10:22:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: 21stCenturion
I CANNOT make any sense out of the assertion that the OATH somehow makes ME personally accountable for ANY political act or omission you have taken in dispute — won’t even try.

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS." One day we shall discover you lying on the ground at the bottom of a ladder with white paint spilled all over you.

190 posted on 08/15/2011 10:29:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
You are saying they should accept illegitimacy without challenging it, a direct violation of their oath of service and oath of office.

It is not up to the military to determine whether the commander in chief is legitimate or not. It's up to the civilian branches, which have determined him to be legitimate. To have the military contravening the judgement of the civilian branches strikes at the very heart of the constitution.

191 posted on 08/15/2011 10:30:51 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: DiogenesLamp
By the way, it isn't "insurrection" when the proper authorities take out the illegitimate ones.

That's the truth.

192 posted on 08/15/2011 10:38:37 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: darkwing104
What the guy is doing is stupid. He signed a contract and took an oath...he's in violation of it and that is a court-martial offense starting from an Article 15 to a BCD. My recommendation would be separation under less than honorable condition.

We must ALWAYS OBEY the Nationally Elected Leader. Though he may have been born in a Foreign Country and has implemented a policy of National Socialism, we MUST NOT QUESTION his authority!


193 posted on 08/15/2011 10:38:52 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: Ladysforest

The vast majority of enlisted men and women in the military do not wan homosexuals in the military. That is not being “homophobic” - an invented nonsense word to smear people with anyuway, that is being rational and having a moral compass.

But that point doesn’t nullify what you said, just pointing out facts.


194 posted on 08/15/2011 10:42:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: 21stCenturion
I am so profoundly moved by the cogency of your arguments and factual citations that I am in mortal danger of falling into a Birther trance and reciting gobbletygook ‘til the Rapture comes.

Yes, obsessing about "birthers" will do that to you. You need to snap out of it and stop spouting gobbletygook.

195 posted on 08/15/2011 10:43:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: woofie
You are, unfortunately, wrong. If Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin and the others had just "obeyed the law" there wouldn't have been all that lawlessness. But then we wouldn't have a republic today, we'd still be a bunch of colonies.

Get it?

196 posted on 08/15/2011 10:45:02 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: JimC214
Would all who are cheering on the Staff Sgt for his “Brave Stance”, would they be so supportive of, say Palin is elected and some other staff NCO says that he can not serve under her for what ever the reason may be. Would they also support him? I doubt they would.

Yes, we only defend the constitution when Obama violates it. We would put up with violations from other Presidents.(Psstt, he's implying we're all RACISTS because it is the "BLACK" President who's legitimacy we question. What he doesn't understand is that the RACISTS are the people who voted for a STUPID man just BECAUSE he was "black.")

Asswipe. I still want to dig up Wilson, Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Johnson and prosecute THEM! (Ala Lord Cromwell.)

197 posted on 08/15/2011 10:58:51 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: El Sordo
I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

If it is true that he is being discharged for other reasons, he may have figured he didn't have anything to lose and thought he should at least try to bring attention to the eligibility issue.

I feel sorry for him, and I believe he is making a personal mistake. The Strong winds are blowing against him, and he is likely to sacrifice his freedom and his future for little tangible benefit.

Or maybe he is using the eligibility issue to try and draw attention to the circumstances of his discharge. If what he said is correct, I’d find the matter of his discharge rather alarming.

Agreed. Whether it be the one thing or the other, I understand WHY he feels the need to do this, I just hate the fact that he has been put into the position of feeling this need.

I suppose we'll just have to see how this plays out.

Maybe as someone above mentioned, he'll just be kicked to the curb. Too little in the big picture to warrant making a fuss over. Anyway, your comment has made my estimation of you go up a notch.

198 posted on 08/15/2011 11:06:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: darkwing104
I just checked out his uniform and if he has been in 13 years he hasn't done squat. He is in a medical career field. Blah.. Blah... Blah...

Non Sequitur, Meet Ad hominem.

199 posted on 08/15/2011 11:13:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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To: Pilsner
3. Discharge dates may be extended while the service member is under arrest for a military crime. Ssgt Moran will be lucky to do 150% of the time that LTC Lakin is doing.

The Nazis and Communists always manage to create political prisoners. It is you Vichy supporters that deserve incarceration.

200 posted on 08/15/2011 11:15:44 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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