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Will The Cain Train Stop Before It Crashes?
TalkingSides.com ^ | 11/29/11 | CaroleL

Posted on 11/29/2011 10:57:48 AM PST by CaroleL

GOP presidential contender Herman Cain's initial response to yesterday's allegation that he had a long term extra marital affair was an emphatic denial. Then a statement from his lawyer seemed to back away from the denial claiming "private, alleged consensual conduct between adults...is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public." Now Mr. Cain's chief of staff has confirmed that the candidate is reassessing whether to stay in the race and will make his final decision "over the next several days." If that decision is to abandon his bid for the nomination, will it really be because of that alleged affair or could this latest sex scandal be giving an unqualified candidate an excuse to get out before he spectacularly implodes on the national stage?

(Excerpt) Read more at talkingsides.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: billclinton; hermancain; newtgingrich

1 posted on 11/29/2011 10:58:00 AM PST by CaroleL
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To: CaroleL

Seems like a lot o’ women been ridin’ the Cain Train...


2 posted on 11/29/2011 11:01:08 AM PST by apillar
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To: CaroleL

Will your blogpimping stop?

Why excerpt your own material?


3 posted on 11/29/2011 11:06:45 AM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: apillar
Seems like a lot o’ women been ridin’ the Cain Train...

Maybe.

What percentage of them are telling the truth, as opposed to being paid off by the Democrat machine, I wonder...

4 posted on 11/29/2011 11:06:55 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: apillar

You’d think that anyone who wants to toss his hat in the ring to run for President of the United States of America, will open up himself to total, and complete diggin in the files of ones past. I wish these things were not true, but I think we’ve been delivered a bill of goods that might be soiled.


5 posted on 11/29/2011 11:07:24 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: CaroleL

I’m glad this is coming out before the primary. I would have hated to have him get the nomination and then get destroyed.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before, but now I think there might be something to all the allegations.


6 posted on 11/29/2011 11:10:24 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: CaroleL

Let’s assume for a moment that these two had a consensual relationship for years - that they shared meals, a bed, and each other’s most inner thoughts. And that they ultimately parted amicably and went their separate ways..

What, pray tell, would bring this woman out of the shadows and into the newsrooms of America? Or, more precisely, WHO? Who is doing this dredging up of past lives? And is George Szaros* (sic) funding it?

* Google up “szar Hungarian”


7 posted on 11/29/2011 11:14:23 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: rovenstinez
You’d think that anyone any CONSERVATIVE who wants to toss his hat in the ring to run for President of the United States of America, will open up himself to total, and complete diggin in the files of ones past.

Fixed.

8 posted on 11/29/2011 11:14:43 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012 -- the man we need at the time we need him)
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To: humblegunner

Whats with Cain and all the cranky white bi**hes?


9 posted on 11/29/2011 11:15:09 AM PST by Mashood
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To: grobdriver
Seems like a lot o’ women been ridin’ the Cain Train...

Maybe.

What percentage of them are telling the truth, as opposed to being paid off by the Democrat machine, I wonder...

Unfortunately, I'm not sure at this point it matters if they are true or not. If they are true, Cain was a fool to run for the presidency and not expect them to come out. If they are false, the media has managed to "Palin" him to the point he is little more than fodder for the late night show. Heck, Rush Limbaugh's guest show host today, Mark Steyn spent the first half-hour cracking jokes and ripping on him. When even the conservative media turns against you, it's over.

10 posted on 11/29/2011 11:15:20 AM PST by apillar
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To: apillar
Seems like a lot o’ women been ridin’ the Cain Train...

All with links to the National Restaurant Association, where Cain was just 4 or so years. Nothing else from 40+ years at multiple other places.

All with checkered financial pasts.

All but the latest with track records of multiple false or frivolous accusations. We have yet to get all the details on the last one.

All but the latest with links to Democrats and Democrat organizations. We have yet to get all the details of the last one.

All coming out as Cain was beginning to be seen as a threat to the Democrat stronghold on the black vote.

But, nothing to see here - move along. Let's get back to the MSM choosing the Socialist-lite Establishment RINO for us to put on the ballot for the (R) side.

11 posted on 11/29/2011 11:16:21 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: rovenstinez

You’d think that anyone who wants to toss his hat in the ring to run for President of the United States of America, will open up himself to total, and complete diggin in the files of ones past.
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How can you say that after watching Obama hide his past.

The problem here is Democrats can hide their past with the blessing of the media, while that same media goes out on a fishing expedition agaist Republicans.

Nothing is as corrupt as the American Media.


12 posted on 11/29/2011 11:19:25 AM PST by Venturer
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To: CaroleL
Then a statement from his lawyer seemed to back away from the denial claiming "private, alleged consensual conduct between adults...is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public."

So much for Cain's denyin', denyin', denyin' plan.

13 posted on 11/29/2011 11:20:39 AM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: humblegunner

Will your blogpimping stop?

Why excerpt your own material?


LOL Good point!


14 posted on 11/29/2011 11:23:25 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: CaroleL

...and we’d notice the difference how?


15 posted on 11/29/2011 11:26:41 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: 5thGenTexan
"All but the latest with track records of multiple false or frivolous accusations. We have yet to get all the details on the last one."

The last one had a protection order filed against her for stalking and threatening character defamation against her business partner. And then was sued for libel with the result being a default judgement in favor of her business partner because she didn't respond to the suit. NYTimes article

16 posted on 11/29/2011 11:28:31 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: mbynack

Whoever the GOP nominee is, he will be destroyed the very same way. This has been going on a month now, and I still haven’t seen one single piece of evidence of any wrong-doing. No receipts, no ticket stubs, no Hallmark cards, nothing. Phone records? Sixty calls/texts over 13 years? I know guys who call their ex-wives with more frequency.

All you need is a couple unstable women willing to make false allegations against Newt, Perry or Romney, and a media which doesn’t demand substantiation, and presto! Your candidate is toast now, too....


17 posted on 11/29/2011 11:33:00 AM PST by kevao
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To: 5thGenTexan

” We have yet to get all the details of the last one.”

Cain , though , did admit to having what he described as a friendship / relationship with Ginger White.
Cain also said that Mrs Cain was unaware of this friendship until yesterday , which begs the question as to why he felt the need to keep it from her.
Cain said he had only given her financial help , again without Mrs Cain’s knowledge .
Plus, she had his personal cell phone number and he hers.
Most married men would have their clothes on the front lawn
and the locks changed by now.
The financial help could interest the IRS and the SEC because it should have been accounted for by one or both of them.


18 posted on 11/29/2011 11:45:10 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: CaroleL
Cain, Train, Pain, insane, blame, lame, maim, vain all nice words that rhyme and seem appropriate for his campaign.
19 posted on 11/29/2011 11:49:28 AM PST by corbe
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To: CaroleL

Please repost on EVERY Cain thread on FR today.

From Lolly Winne, a well-known Cain volunteer:

“I was on a conference call at 11:15am this morning with Herman Cain himself, where he explained to us that, once again, the accusations against him are COMPLETELY FALSE. He ALSO explained that he is NOT considering dropping out of the campaign, despite what the media is reporting. The campaign is moving forward as planned. Additionally, he shared that Ginger White WAS a friend of his (and his wife’s) and she was a struggling unemployed single mom who received several eviction notices due to being unable to pay her rent. So being the good man that he is, Mr. Cain helped her out financially as a FRIEND, as he has done for other friends in the past.”

When asked what the reassessment was about - Winne replied, “I was on the call, I did not hear the words “REASSESS THE CAMPAIGN”, I heard, ‘we need to assess the situation (the damage) over the next couple of days and continue to MOVE FORWARD.’ He said NOTHING about considering to drop out. He didn’t even INSINUATE it.”

https://www.facebook.com/lollywinne


20 posted on 11/29/2011 12:02:38 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: CaroleL

From a Cain Volunteer:

I was on a conference call at 11:15am this morning with Herman Cain himself, where he explained to us that, once again, the accusations against him are COMPLETELY FALSE. He ALSO explained that he is NOT considering dropping out of the campaign, despite what the media is reporting. The campaign is moving forward as planned. Additionally, he shared that Ginger White WAS a friend of his (and his wife...’s) and she was a struggling unemployed single mom who received several eviction notices due to being unable to pay her rent. So being the good man that he is, Mr. Cain helped her out financially as a FRIEND, as he has done for other friends in the past. This is what you get for being a good person in this country. Isn’t that freakin’ great!?

Ginger White’s track record - she filed for bankruptcy, has had several eviction notices with the most recent one being this past month, she’s had lawsuits against her for stalking and for LIBEL, she accused a past employer of sexual harassment which was settled out of court, her EX stated he wouldn’t put it past her to make false accusations against anyone for money, her lawyer is a left-wing Democrat and an Obama supporter who has donated over 4k to his campaign, etc.

Does none of this matter to anyone!?

I personally have ZERO respect for ANYONE so narrow-minded that they’ll give ANY amount of consideration or credibility to ANY of these UNFOUNDED accusations. How can people be so easily led and influenced by the media?? Whatever happened to INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? Do we not have minds of our own??

Honestly? All this does is make me support even more.

And is it just me?? Or does it seem absolutely INSANE that anyone would run for POTUS if they knew they had something THIS HUGE to hide!? I’d like to believe Cain is much smarter than that.

Instead of allowing this UNPROVEN crap to influence our support of Mr. Cain, maybe we should fight it with everything in our being with articles like the one below, which of course is not getting nearly the media attention as all the false accusations.

source: https://www.facebook.com/lollywinne


21 posted on 11/29/2011 12:03:27 PM PST by kidd
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To: CaroleL

The Dems didn’t like a black conservative so they had to come up with something. The ole “Your a racist!” thingy probably would fall flat. We all know how a serial adulterer would fare with the evangelicals. Him being a preacher just makes it better. They just had trouble finding someone to take the money that wasn’t already unemployed and serial sexual harassment filers. If there was only some proof.


22 posted on 11/29/2011 12:20:10 PM PST by chuckles
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To: kevao
Worth repeating:

Whoever the GOP nominee is, he will be destroyed the very same way. This has been going on a month now, and I still haven’t seen one single piece of evidence of any wrong-doing. No receipts, no ticket stubs, no Hallmark cards, nothing. Phone records? Sixty calls/texts over 13 years? I know guys who call their ex-wives with more frequency.

All you need is a couple unstable women willing to make false allegations against Newt, Perry or Romney, and a media which doesn’t demand substantiation, and presto! Your candidate is toast now, too...

I agree and am beyond frustrated by this fact. If it is this easy to destroy a Republican candidate then no Republican can ever win, no matter how circumspect his behavior has been. One big completely unsubstantiated lie, usually accompanied by tears and Gloria Allred acting all self-righteous on behalf of her new client and Herman Cain or any other Republican presidential candidate is finished? Why bother to field a Republican candidate at all if the DNC just have to dig up some acquaintance from the candidate's past, pay them enough to get them to lie and claim they were sexually harassed or had an 'affair' with the candidate sometime in the past, and America just accepts this as fact with no real questions asked? The Communists Democrats will win everything and finish destroying our great nation?

It's discouraging to the point that my interest in politics is fast waning. However, I'm not quite ready to abandon my country to the leftists that hate it and want to turn it into a failed European Nanny State. I remain ensconced on the 'Cain Train' - for as long as it keeps running. However, I'm also re-thinking my support of Michele Bachmann, even Rick Santorum because I won't vote for Romney under any circumstances and, frankly, I don't completely trust Gingrich and can easily see him savaged with the same kind of 'scandals' that Herman Cain is enduring, now. Fake 'scandals' that I hope Mr. Cain can surmount but that, realistically, could derail the 'Cain Train'.

23 posted on 11/29/2011 12:20:22 PM PST by Jim Scott (on the 'Cain Train')
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To: CaroleL

From Lolly Winne, a well-known Cain volunteer:

“I was on a conference call at 11:15am this morning with Herman Cain himself, where he explained to us that, once again, the accusations against him are COMPLETELY FALSE. He ALSO explained that he is NOT considering dropping out of the campaign, despite what the media is reporting. The campaign is moving forward as planned. Additionally, he shared that Ginger White WAS a friend of his (and his wife’s) and she was a struggling unemployed single mom who received several eviction notices due to being unable to pay her rent. So being the good man that he is, Mr. Cain helped her out financially as a FRIEND, as he has done for other friends in the past.”

When asked what the reassessment was about - Winne replied, “I was on the call, I did not hear the words “REASSESS THE CAMPAIGN”, I heard, ‘we need to assess the situation (the damage) over the next couple of days and continue to MOVE FORWARD.’ He said NOTHING about considering to drop out. He didn’t even INSINUATE it.”


24 posted on 11/29/2011 12:20:56 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: All

It does seem like with all their money, the democrats could at least buy a woman WITHOUT all the baggage to claim these sexual charges against Cain....


25 posted on 11/29/2011 12:23:51 PM PST by Boonie
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To: Jim Scott

Bachmann piled on Cain today over these lies. She’s a conniving...loser.


26 posted on 11/29/2011 12:24:31 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81
So being the good man that he is, Mr. Cain helped her out financially as a FRIEND, as he has done for other friends in the past.

Another angle here is that Cain was engaging in private charitable giving. Personal philanthropy.

Government today would have us do away with charity altogether and rely on the government redistributing wealth as it prefers. That's why the Democrats went after President Bush's faith-based initiatives.

Democrats would rather do away with personal charitable giving, because the people get to decide to whom the wish to give, just as Cain has done in this situation.

-PJ

27 posted on 11/29/2011 12:27:28 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
Cain, though, did admit to having what he described as a friendship / relationship with Ginger White. Cain also said that Mrs Cain was unaware of this friendship until yesterday , which begs the question as to why he felt the need to keep it from her. Cain said he had only given her financial help, again without Mrs Cain’s knowledge. Plus, she had his personal cell phone number and he hers. Most married men would have their clothes on the front lawn and the locks changed by now. The financial help could interest the IRS and the SEC because it should have been accounted for by one or both of them.

Herman Cain is a millionaire and I doubt the money he gave this woman amounted to much. His enemies are wording it to make it sound like something sinister when it very likely was nothing of the kind. That you chose to use FR as a vehicle to keep the negativity against Cain going is unfortunate.

28 posted on 11/29/2011 12:29:58 PM PST by Jim Scott (on the 'Cain Train')
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To: Political Junkie Too

Excellent post!


29 posted on 11/29/2011 12:31:54 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Truly excellent summary of what has been going on here. Thanks for putting it together so succinctly.


30 posted on 11/29/2011 12:40:44 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Cain is innocent until proven guilty. The Media and Democrats are guilty until proven innocent. (which will never happen, so don’t get any ideas,lol).

I saw the phone records with all the phone calls and text messages and this is the dead give away that this is a set up.

Why hasn’t this women shown just one of these steamy text messages? The obvious answer is they don’t exist.

Cain needs to get the records of these text massages between him and her and if there is nothing going on it would destroy this story and also end the attacks on him.


31 posted on 11/29/2011 12:49:30 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: kevao

It’s 61 calls and/or texts, TO OR from the supposed Cain number.

She has been accused, in a court of law, of stalking by phone and text messaging.

We don’t know if those 61 were 60 TO Cain FROM her, and 1 reply saying “Leave me the hell alone,” or 60 FROM Cain and 1 from her.

Be careful with the media’s careful use of words.


32 posted on 11/29/2011 1:00:10 PM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: BagCamAddict

The ones who are giving Cain hell on here obviously have an agenda...otherwise, why else would they be so ignorant. Cain has faced these allegations for one reason only...because he was the ONLY candidate the Democrats feared. The MSM has been VERY quiet about Newt...for good reason. He will get destroyed in the generals. This race ain’t over folks...when Newt’s view start playing out, people will see him for who he really is. BTW, most polls have Cain in a close 3rd...he is closing on Romney. This could be a 2 man race soon...and Mitt won’t be one of those.

Bottom line: Cain has admitted to no wrong doing. I really wish you kool-aid drinkers for other candidates would get a clue. But then again, I guess you all know so much.

Go Cain!


33 posted on 11/29/2011 1:41:56 PM PST by chilepup
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To: chilepup

They aren’t ignorant. They are color-challenged.

Take a look at these polls, and vote if you haven’t already:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2813675/posts

We’ll run another poll in a week or so.


34 posted on 11/29/2011 3:11:13 PM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: chilepup

What gets me is....there has been no proof presented that Cain had anything but a friendship or acquaintance with this woman. Supposedly 61 calls or texts are on her phone. Whoopty doo! 61 calls OR TEXTS does not an affair make. That’s not even a call a month!

This thing reeks of leftist ssdd tactics to me.


35 posted on 11/30/2011 10:37:52 AM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee

I agree.


36 posted on 11/30/2011 10:54:09 AM PST by chilepup
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To: chilepup

Can we really afford to be that picky now? I saw these same type of responses from ‘supposed’ conservatives back in 2006, which gave us Pelosi and Reid....and the mortgage loan industry collapse, which dominoed into the housing collapse. And again in 2008....saying they would stay home rather than vote for McCain. And that got us what and where? To the disaster we are now in under Obama and his leftist cabal.

So you guys are going to pull the same stupid stunt this next election again....just cause you can’t get the Rep of your choice in there?

Great. Then might as well just suspend elections and hand it all over to the America-hating leftists now....cause that’s what your decision to NOT vote AGAINST Obama next year will equate to....AGAIN.


37 posted on 11/30/2011 4:31:34 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: chilepup

Ooops...sorry, chilepup. My response was meant to address another freeper that said he wouldn’t vote next year if he had to vote for Romney.

My question to him and people that think that way is....how is handing the country over to Obama AGAIN going to save us from certain destruction? It’s not. Our only hope is if EVERY conservative or non-leftist votes against Obama next year, no matter WHO is the damned Rep candidate. We can worry about the sordid details of that win later....after Obama and his leftists are voted OUT.

We no longer have the luxury or option to be that choosy/picky. It’s down to the life or death wire now.


38 posted on 11/30/2011 4:37:03 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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