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Today's Buzz: Are Zimmerman's injuries a game changer?
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | May 17, 2012 | Editorial Board

Posted on 05/17/2012 12:59:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

ABC-TV news reported this week that George Zimmerman had a broken nose, two black eyes and lacerations on the back of his head the day after his fatal confrontation with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. ABC said it had obtained a medical report that documents Zimmerman's injuries. The injuries could back up Zimmerman's claim that he was defending himself from an attack by Trayvon when he pulled the trigger. Florida's stand your ground law allows people who feel threatened by death or serious injury to respond with deadly force....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: crime; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: ironman

Fascinating. I’ll be watching. Thanks.


21 posted on 05/17/2012 1:31:36 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
In Florida, the law reads this way: "a person is justified in using deadly force (and does not have a duty to retreat) if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony, or to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." [Florida Statute Section 776.012.] "The use of deadly force is further justified when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which the person is located." [Florida Statutes Section 782.02]
22 posted on 05/17/2012 1:31:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only game change is the constant race baiting by a dying press looking for any advantage to incite violence by constantly planting seeds which will bear your vaunted and sought after fruits this summer....October at the latest.


23 posted on 05/17/2012 1:37:19 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mouton
The prosecutor walks away unscathed if the judge dismisses. And that appear to be the intention.

The parents made some big bucks and are happy and Zimmerman and family will be forever scarred by the dumb little skittle dealing punk.

24 posted on 05/17/2012 1:37:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Dan Nunn

You better believe that’s what’ll happen.

Barrytard will go TV and give a speech about race and slant it so it benefits the rioters who will only need a minor Que the burn, slash and shoot anyone they get to.

Reginald Dennis will be nothing compared to what they will do this time and they have sitting around watching how much of a pass OWS has been getting and they have come to the conclusion they will get a pretty good pass as well.


25 posted on 05/17/2012 1:42:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are Zimmerman's injuries a game changer?

Facts are irrelevant. This is purely a political case.

If Zimmerman's name had been Jorge Zapata or some other Hispanic sounding name he never would have been selected as the poster boy for evil white racism.

26 posted on 05/17/2012 1:44:08 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Trayvon’s injuries are the game changer, the beat up knuckles from beating on someone


27 posted on 05/17/2012 1:44:44 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ironman

Hmmm... So the kid was a pothead. seems like he could have an adverse reaction to it that made everyone spooky to him.

Same as well musing with someone when yer drunk. Yuice Got Tuh Takez yer lumps.

Lunkhead.


28 posted on 05/17/2012 1:48:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ironman
... and had THC in system ...

I always suspected that this was why the autopsy had been kept under wraps so long. Martin went for a Skittles run because he was stoned and had the munchies.

29 posted on 05/17/2012 1:49:13 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Vendome


30 posted on 05/17/2012 1:51:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Dan Nunn

I know but what if Z is pardoned prior to Holder bringing the Fed charges...shoots Holder’s agenda full of holes.

He’d go with the charges anyway.

It would be a good test of 10th Amendment.


31 posted on 05/17/2012 1:54:04 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: TigerClaws

I’d sort of like the trial to [proceed, althouth preferably after the November elections, just to clear the air as to just what that fresh-faced, smiling 14-yr. old Trayvon was doing prior to his assaulting Zimmerman, plus the fact that the 911 operator/dispatcher did not order or demand that Zimmerman cease surveillance of the person of interest. In response to Zimmerman’s question, he was told, “No, we don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman, as I interpreted what then occurred, did cease said surveillance, turned and headed back to his auto.


32 posted on 05/17/2012 1:54:09 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Tublecane
That being said - one cannot start a fight - assess that you are losing said fight at the risk of your life - and then draw a gun and kill the guy you started a fight with.

That isn't self defense.

The injuries George and Treyvon received are consistent with George being fearful for his life if the fight continued - but they do not determine who initiated the confrontation.

All posters saying this proves that Treyvon started the fight.... how?

If the case continues it will be based upon who started the fight to establish self defense - not who was losing the fight.

33 posted on 05/17/2012 1:56:44 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m prepAred


34 posted on 05/17/2012 2:00:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

It’s obvious that Mr Zimmerman tried to beat the poor candy carrying child to death with his face.

How very clever of him.

/s


35 posted on 05/17/2012 2:01:34 PM PDT by Salamander (If I'm too rough, tell me.....I'm so scared your little head will come off in my hands.)
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To: Elsiejay

>>I’d sort of like the trial to [proceed<<

Unfortunately, if the case goes to trial, and Zimmerman is found not guilty, Trayvon’s family can still hit him, the condo association, etc. etc. with a suit for civil damages.

If the case gets thrown out by the judge, FL’s self-defense law (AKA the Stand Your Ground statute) makes Zimmerman immune from civil suits.


36 posted on 05/17/2012 2:08:38 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: allmendream
one cannot start a fight - assess that you are losing said fight at the risk of your life - and then draw a gun and kill the guy you started a fight with.

That isn't self defense.

Can you cite statutes or rulings in support of this claim? (I'll stipulate that who started the fight is relevant to whether one believed one's life was in danger.)

37 posted on 05/17/2012 2:25:52 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: allmendream
That being said - one cannot start a fight - assess that you are losing said fight at the risk of your life - and then draw a gun and kill the guy you started a fight with.

That isn't self defense.

That is true. However, it is not up to Zimmerman to prove that he didn't start the fight - it is up to the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman started the fight in order to negate any self-defense claim by Zimmerman. So far, the evidence appears to point toward Martin being the aggressor, but the state probably cannot prove who started the fight one way or another. In this case, that favors Zimmerman, because legally, he doesn't have to prove anything.

38 posted on 05/17/2012 2:29:55 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: yldstrk
the beat up knuckles from beating on someone

One(1) graze on one(1) knuckle of one (1) hand. You really think that can be played into a savage attack?

39 posted on 05/17/2012 2:30:55 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: CA Conservative
Yes, absolutely.

The State has one heck of a case in front of them and a high hurdle of evidence to clear - because so far there have been no reports of any witnesses to who initiated the fight. We have the interview of George after the fact - and Treyvon - the only other witness - is dead.

I am sure much hay will be made of - and straw attempted to be spun into gold with - the ‘not getting away again’ quote from George - and the ‘you don't need to do that (follow him)’ from the dispatcher.

What evidence points towards Martin being the aggressor?

40 posted on 05/17/2012 2:36:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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