Posted on 05/29/2012 6:09:50 AM PDT by radioone
Who would have guessed that Barack Obama was the original birther, peddling the story that he was born in Kenya long before Donald Trump, Sheriff Joe and assorted nut jobs took it up as a crusade in fantasy and futility.
Mr. Obama’s literary agent put together a little booklet with a biographical sketch in 1991 to promote a book he never finished with a description of the author as “the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review … born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
The literary agent now insists it was her mistake and Mr. Obama never saw the booklet until it was published. An unlikely story, but like everything else about him, it’s an element in the portrait of a composite president, a man with composite ambitions, composite convictions and a composite past populated by girlfriends he now concedes were composites, too.
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I guess I’ll just have to stand trial with Tribe and Olson. Suits me, seems like good company. Have a great day, FRiend.
We need to resolve this matter sooner rather than later thru the courts. Until then, all we have are opinions, yours, mine, Olson and Tribe's, the Senate's, etc.
You touch on an important point, namely, that the courts would have to issue a ruling on what “natural born” citizen really means.
You touch on an important point, namely, that the courts would have to issue a ruling on what “natural born” citizen really means.
No record of the Obama-Dunham marriage, which would be illegal anyway, because Obama was still married in Africa.
We do have the state of Hawaii claiming that Obama was born in Hawaii. Arpaio's Cold Case Posse has challenged the validity of the BC that appeared on the WH website. Pretty convincing stuff, but until criminal charges are pursued, we are left with the status quo.
My point in all of this is that although many of us have strong opinions on Obama and his narrative, we need this to be decided by the courts. We need facts and evidence and the willingess to pursue wherever they take us. Our political leadership has failed us in that regard.
Obama's publicity Bio has him listed as being born in Kenya. I assure you his book publicist did not just dream this up or pull it out of his ass! That was information given to his publicist by President Obama. It stayed on his Bio for years. It was changed just prior to running for the Democrat Nomination.
There are only 2 possible answers:
1. He was born in Kenya.
2. He was born in the United States and lied to his publicist about where he was born.
This would make him a more exotic candidate for his Illinois House and US Senate Races. The only answer that can be given when and if the media asks will be the following: "It was an error of the publisher. and I did not proof read the bio." However, I did remember to get it "corrected" before I ran for president of the United States.
That Bravo Sierra will not pass the smell test. A commercial Bio is written from information given to the publicist by the subject of the bio.
"Alec, I will take number one for the nomination for President of the United States."
...and Obama’s own opinion, 1991-2007, that he was born in Kenya.
Defend Obama all you like, he’s still a lying POS whom is likely ineligible for the Office he holds.
Well, the Obama team trumpet the newspaper announcement that a son was born to Mr. & Mrs. Obama. We also have the divorce papers. I think we can safely say that they were married.
Are you suggesting that, despite the above evidence, they were not married?
I find sixteen years’ worth of biographies from Obama’s personal publicist to be “pretty convincing stuff.” Plenty of other contemporaneous anecdotal evidence that Obama represented himself as born in Kenya.
Was he lying then? Or is he lying now? It’s one or the other.
LOL. There you go getting all emotional when confronted with reality. I am not defending Obama. He is obviously hiding something. He may or may not have been born in Kenya, but for some reason, he thought that saying so gave him some sort of cachet or benefit. In a few weeks, Arpaio and Zullo promise to disclose some more information on the results of their investigation. We need facts and evidence, not emotion.
Here are the divorce papers Some time ago, a FReeper from Hawaii who was in the legal profession responded to me that it was possible to get a divorce without actually getting married.
As far as the announcement is concerned, it could have been a cover story to explain that their daughter had not had a child out of wedlock. Obama himself has made comments to the effect that he was not sure his parents were married. We do know they never lived together and that Obama's mother left a week after he the date he was allegedly born to attend school in Washington state. Obama SR was a sperm donor, period. Zullo has now indicated that Obama Sr may not be the real father based on their investigation. Stay tuned---
What do you mean, “confronted with reality?”
The reality to which I am reacting is that Obama has been saying he was born in Kenya, until 2007, at which point he said he was born in Hawaii.
You assume that he was born in Hawaii and was lying about being born in Kenya. I believe, considering the Obama team’s stonewalling on his college admission records and transcripts, that it’s more likely he was telling the truth about being born in Kenya and is lying now.
Regardless, he’s a liar.
We know he was lying at one point or another. We just don’t know what is the lie and why he was lying.
If he came right out of Harvard claiming to be Kenyan-born, it’s obvious to me that he probably claimed the same while at Harvard; otherwise, his classmates would have noticed the change in stories.
Add in the fact that his biography changed right before his Presidential run, and I think it’s more likely he was telling the truth then and is lying now about being born in Hawaii.
We know he lied about his place of birth. We know the story changed at the time he started his Presidential run. What do YOU think?
Obama's bio put out by his literary publicist in 1991 says he was born in Kenya. Obama either concocted this story to make himself more interesting and exotic or it is true. We don't have his university records to see if he attended school as a foreign student.
It is not only Obama who is saying he was born in Hawaii. It is the state of Hawaii that says officially he was born in Hawaii. And you trot out the contemperanous newspaper announcement that announced his birth to show his parents were married. We need something to counter the state of Hawaii's certification of his birth in Hawaii.
You assume that he was born in Hawaii and was lying about being born in Kenya. I believe, considering the Obama team’s stonewalling on his college admission records and transcripts, that it’s more likely he was telling the truth about being born in Kenya and is lying now.
I assume nothing. I can only state the reality of the situation. Obama is in the WH. Hawaii states he was born there. We need more information and facts otherwise we are just speculating about him. Obama needed to be vetted in 2008. He was not.
You are entitled to your opinion.
If Obama has proof he was born in Hawaii, let us see it. It is not sufficient for a man in Hawaii telling us it exists, not when his grandmother says she was there and witnessed his birth in Kenya.
There may be documents in Hawaii that say Obama was born, but I know they do not say he was born in Hawaii. If they do, let us see. If they existed, some clerk would have peeked and let it out that they were there.
My main problem with Obama being born in Kenya is what kind of window are we talking about in terms of when his mother and Obama Sr. could find the time and money to travel back and forth to Kenya for the birth. Obama Sr did not come from a rich family and he was in the US on a student visa.
Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. His mother would have had to travel weeks before to Kenya. And Obama Sr. had a wife and two children in Kenya. Looking at the immigration documents, I couldn't find an indication as to when he left the US and then returned to support that window of time. Maybe you can.
IMO and it is only an opinion, Obama lied about being born in Kenya. He was a stranger in his own country. He had been adopted by an Indonesian father and spent four of his formative years (age 6-10) in Indonesia. He never knew his birth father (except for an alleged photo at an airport in Hawaii for a brief visit.) His mother effectively abandoned him by sending him back to Hawaii to be raised by his grandparents. His sister had an Indonesian father and was born in Indonesia.
Obama's fantasy autobiography (probably written by Ayers) fed into this need for an identity. He picked his sperm donor father as part of the title of his book. There is a strong possibility that Obama attended Occidental and Columbia as a foreign student, perhaps using a Brit passport based on his father. It helped him gain admission to both schools given his spotty academic record. The fact that his roommates in Occidental and Columbia were foreign students indicates to me that he was claiming foreign student status. Normally, at that time at least, colleges put foreign students together.
But my opinion is meaningless and irrelevant. We need facts and evidence.
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