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Math-Challenged Silly People Voting Libertarian Cost GOP Victory in At Least 9 Congressional Races
Reaganite Republican ^ | 16 November 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican



The good news comes via instapundit:

PEOPLE WILL LOVE THIS: Libertarians provided the margin for Democrats in at least nine elections. It’s particularly sad that libertarians didn’t back Mia Love. Really, you’re not going to vote for a candidate whose favorite economist is Bastiat? Apparently not.


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So thanks Paulbot idiots- it all went-down just like we told you it was going to.

Any independent or Libertarian candidate running on the right is as much an enemy to American conservatives as are the progs: in our two-party system these people have zero chance of achieving real power or accomplishing anything meaningful, and are about as relevant as the Whig Party.  

That is, unless you count 'handing elections to Democrats', where they get to throw a tantrum, be heard, and do damage to conservatives- why does anybody think Ron and Rand Paul ran as Republicans? Because they want to WIN and take power, not sit at home dreaming about it- that's why

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: cost; libertarian; republicans; victory
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To: Ken H

‘XIX’ should be ‘XIV’


261 posted on 11/18/2012 11:42:21 PM PST by Ken H
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To: JCBreckenridge
So why are you fighting today’s battle for them?

I'm not. You're fighting me to make me accept that they were right back then, and I won't do it.

262 posted on 11/19/2012 3:49:56 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Where and when are libertarians attacking conservative principles? You're obsessed with the drug issue. Why?

Drug prohibition was a product of progressivism. It's not a conservative program, issue, idea or project. It doesn't fit with conservative principles. Why do you want to continue the war on drugs?

263 posted on 11/19/2012 6:28:12 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Huh?

Is the principle here, anything that people can harm themselves with, ought to be regulated by government?

264 posted on 11/19/2012 6:30:01 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Ken H
I'm having a good chuckle over the fact that all of CO is now potentially one gigantic indoor growing operation, and there isn't a damn thing the feds can do about it. How rich!

Back during the Clinton administration, we signed onto the UN drug control treaty. IIRC, CO and WA legalizing mj effectively put them out of compliance with that treaty. By doing it, they've established precedent that those UN treaties do not apply to the state governments, and that's going to complicate any enforcement of that small arms treaty Obama is wanting to sign.

265 posted on 11/19/2012 6:33:01 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

The principle is that substances which enter the United States from abroad can be regulated by the United States. Always has been the case.


266 posted on 11/19/2012 7:05:44 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: tacticalogic

I’m fighting everyone who’s fighting for liberal cause de jour. That includes you.


267 posted on 11/19/2012 7:06:59 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Ken H

You’re saying we should use California as an example as to how things should be run? CA is a cesspool.


268 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:48 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Why are you fighting *for* liberal cause de jour. Liberals had three primary goals this election.

Re-elect Barack Obama.

Get dope passed.

Get gay marriage passed.

As near as I can tell - your goals were identical to theirs. THAT is what is pissing me off.


269 posted on 11/19/2012 7:09:32 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I’m fighting everyone who’s fighting for liberal cause de jour. That includes you.

Then move to DC. No one should have to stand with their state against them with you at their back.

I'm sorry your friend has an addiction problem, but her addiction and your sophistry does not and cannot constitue an enumeration of power to the federal government to fix it.

270 posted on 11/19/2012 7:33:12 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Drop the pro abort, pro gay marriage and pro drugs stance and you’re welcome to join the cause.

Libertarians aren't conservatives. They don't want to join your cause.

I'm not a libertarian, but I support any reduction in penalties for marijuana use on conservative grounds. Severely penalizing pot isn't justifiable based on costs and benefit analysis. Like almost everything people do for recreation it has negative consequences, but when you start regulating minor vices you end up with Bloomberg's New York trying to tax snacks. Regulating pot is a waste of money.

Abortion, on the other hand, is murder and preventing murder is a central and essential purpose of government.

At the rate things are decaying we'll be lucky to keep the GOP pro-life. If you don't like losing I'd start thinking of ways to get the pro-life, more reasonable Ron Paul people on board for 2016 instead of looking for more reasons to split the right.

271 posted on 11/19/2012 7:47:45 AM PST by MaxFlint
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To: MaxFlint

“regulating minor vices”

Being on the front lines is very different from being sheltered behind them. Texas is trafficking central. It doesn’t help us keep drugs out of America when the present Federal government has no interest in securing the border.

Are we a nation of laws or are we not? Choose carefully. I am happy to work with libertarians to tear down the massive size of the state. But Libertarians shouldn’t be driving the bus. Moderates shouldn’t be driving the bus - conservatives should be driving the bus. Too often we have let other people drive because we are afraid they will take off if we don’t.


272 posted on 11/19/2012 7:57:27 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: tacticalogic

“I’m sorry your friend has an addiction problem, but her addiction and your sophistry does not and cannot constitue an enumeration of power to the federal government to fix it.”

Damned right on that - so why aren’t you attacking taxpayer funded treatment programs?


273 posted on 11/19/2012 7:59:40 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Being on the front lines is very different from being sheltered behind them. Texas is trafficking central. It doesn’t help us keep drugs out of America when the present Federal government has no interest in securing the border.

The border is a war zone and should be treated as such. It should be defended with every weapon at our disposal.

What does that have to do with a grow house in Washington?

274 posted on 11/19/2012 8:04:23 AM PST by MaxFlint
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To: MaxFlint

“Texas is trafficking central.”

Did you miss these four words? You seem to believe these are separate battles- they, are not. They are one and the same.


275 posted on 11/19/2012 8:09:25 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Damned right on that - so why aren’t you attacking taxpayer funded treatment programs?

I'm against federally funded treatment programs. If a state wants to set up a treatment program, that's well within their authority. I might or might not vote for or support one in my own state, but I don't have any business telling some other state they must or cannot do it. That's for the citizens of that state to decide.

I frequently do not agree with the laws that the citizens and legislatures of other states pass, but being a replican means I have to recognize that as long as it's not exercising a power explicitly enumerated and transferred to the federal government in the Constitution, it is within their authority to do it.

276 posted on 11/19/2012 8:12:44 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

The problem is that rights are balanced by responsibility. If we are giving people the right to use certain substances then it stands to reason that addiction ought to be their responsibility. As it stands, that’s not the case.

Insofar as WA funds addiction clinics that are funded by Obamacare - what goes on in WA is federal concern. This is why Obamacare is a game changer. If people in Texas are funding treatment centres in WA - then people in Texas have a say as to whether they legalize pot.


277 posted on 11/19/2012 8:21:42 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Did you miss these four words? You seem to believe these are separate battles- they, are not. They are one and the same.

Everything is connected but some things are a lot more connected than others.

Grow houses in Washington state are only slightly connected to the drug war at the border. And the impact of that connection could go either way. Could be that legal domestic production will reduce demand for imports, reducing the violence. Could be that legal production will increase demand by legitimizing marijuana use, causing increased violence as profits rise.

Of course complete legalization nationally would eliminate the profit margins of illegal importers, but that would be against the conservative principles of the Food and Drug Administration.

278 posted on 11/19/2012 8:25:31 AM PST by MaxFlint
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To: JCBreckenridge
The problem is that rights are balanced by responsibility. If we are giving people the right to use certain substances then it stands to reason that addiction ought to be their responsibility. As it stands, that’s not the case.

That's not my fault. Wanting everyone else to pay for and put up with a federal bureaucracy to keep her from being able to get whatever she's addicted to isn't putting the responsibility on her, it's putting it on the rest of us. You want what you're complaining about.

279 posted on 11/19/2012 8:29:00 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
If we are giving people the right to use certain substances then it stands to reason that addiction ought to be their responsibility. As it stands, that’s not the case. Insofar as WA funds addiction clinics that are funded by Obamacare - what goes on in WA is federal concern. This is why Obamacare is a game changer. If people in Texas are funding treatment centres in WA - then people in Texas have a say as to whether they legalize pot.

Is pot more or less addictive than alcohol? Your argument would justify a nanny state worse than any that exists at present, which has always been my argument against all forms of national health care.

Maybe you should devote your activism to fighting Obamacare instead of trying to facilitate its most authoritarian implications.

280 posted on 11/19/2012 8:30:42 AM PST by MaxFlint
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