What will happen if Obama Orders the U.S. Military to Confiscate Guns in America?

The World News Magazine ^ | March 4, 2013 | Zach Jones

[ZachJones]

(Are you sure? A military comprised primarily of sons, daughters, brothers and sisters of gun owning families.)

It is time for Americans to start thinking seriously about the possibility that their sons and daughters may be put in the untenable position going house-to-house, confiscating firearms and ammunition from their friends and family? What will they do?

Throughout the military - the kids, grandkids, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews and friends of veterans and gun enthusiasts are likely weighing the possibilities of such an order and just how far they personally would be willing to go in carrying out something that would rip the very fabric of this nation apart and go against everything they’ve sworn to protect. In thinking the unthinkable, certainly they must be questioning the end game and who are the real good guys. Especially, when they see...

...If you are on the ‘progressive’ left, what do you think? Are you sure? Really?

Let’s look at a few demographics that might cause you on the left to reassess your certainty.

In 2001, a survey was completed by Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in North Carolina of the 50 states, DC and Territories asking people nationwide if there are any guns in their homes. The percentage of people having guns in their homes ranged from 59.7% in Wyoming to...

[Yosemitest]

I hope you're wrong too.
I just don't believe todays' military is THAT STUPID !

[kearnyirish2]

“WTF does that mean?”

You didn’t see the midnight retreat? You didn’t see how we destabilized the country under false pretenses (killing many Iraqis - and Americans - in the process)?

Are you serious?

[kearnyirish2]

“The military is trained from the git-go to obey orders. That is what they will do.”

It isn’t a new concept; it played out with cops sent to deal with pro-life demonstrators (regardless of their position on the issue). They all serve Caesar, and will do his bidding.

[Yosemitest]

Have y'all read A Time to Kill by LT ?

I am a soldier. I know what war looks like, what it sounds like, smells like, what it feels like in my soul.

I stand today in the twilight of my nation’s grace, looking into the darkness of impending war.

My sleep is troubled, knowing what awaits, yet the ignorant and the ‘true believers’ sleep easily in their delusions, and I am saddened by it.

Daily, I see the Blackhawk and Apache helicopters flying over my city, the military vehicles which appear so frequently now on our roads, often with ‘guns up’ in violation of Posse Comitatus, and I know why they prepare, that it is not far off.

Nightly I hear the report of gunfire near my home, the noise angry men make as they prepare to boil over. These are not soldiers – they are but angry men. And though I share their well-justified anger, I am cautious with them, for they are not disciplined, and they know not the face of war, nor the burdens it imposes upon mind, body, and soul. Because of this, they are dangerous, and I am saddened by this – that dangerous men should roam the streets near my home, full of anger and the lust for vengeance.

All about me are the ceaseless murmurs of soulless politicians and media propagandists, who wear their agendas on their sleeves as a badge of superiority, and the boundless echoes of their contrived ‘message’ assaults me from all sides, even repeated from the mouths of dear friends, and I am saddened by it.

I bear witness to the fact that throughout my lifetime, the lifeblood of my republic has been drained away by greedy and self-serving men, from high to low, who contrive nought but deception against their neighbors and countrymen, and who fail to consider that their children and mine shall share the same fate, the same future, and I am saddened by it.

But I am a soldier, and I know what must be done; and so I shall put away my sadness and I shall harness up the bitter steed of war, and gird myself up for the battle; and I shall ride out to meet the enemies of Liberty; not in rage, not for anger sake or the hope of vengeance; but because I swore an oath before God, to jealously guard our Republic and its Constitution against all enemies; Him I shall not disappoint, for He is my Hope and my Trust.

Therefore, as much as my soul laments against the harsh truth before me, I make this declaration to my enemies who press me into this battle, that none shall be able to afterwards say “I did not know, you did not warn me”;

I do not care why you took that job with the government, or why you continue to hold it. I only know that you have become Judas and sold yourself to an oppressive state – your government office buildings and vehicles are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly.

I do not care why, as a journalist, you choose to spin and corrupt the news, rather than report the plain truth and let the people judge for themselves. I only know that you have violated the public trust in the most vile and seditious manner, and thus your homes, offices, studios, vehicles, and any other place you may find yourself are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly.

I do not care why you signed that union card. I only know that you pay dues to a communist organization which conducts treasonous works against my Republic daily – and so your union hall and your work-sites are part of the battlefield, and as a soldier I shall act accordingly.

I do not care that you only voted for the traitor because you are elderly/disabled or otherwise dependent upon government largess. Are you so ignorant and/or disinterested that you could not see through their propaganda, to the fact that your sustenance was assured either way? What have you gained now that the public housing areas you live in, and the public facilities you depend on are part of the battlefield? Though I am a soldier, I can afford you little protection, for you have placed yourselves on the battlefield.

I know that all of these places and all of these people are part of the battlefield ,not just because I am a soldier, and have experienced a few battlefields in my day; but also because our President declares that even our own homes are on the battlefield, whether we wish them to be or not, and I have no choice but to believe him; it’s not just that the NDAA passed – a battlefield is not defined by law; it’s the profound build-up of martial power and resources across my once-great nation which tells me a battle is being prepared here. Over two billion rounds of ammunition procured by DHS and its sub-agencies in the past 18 months, plus machine guns in the tens of thousands, armored vehicles, combat aircraft, drones, and other implements of war being staged throughout our nation, our home – how do you explain that except as the preparation for battle?

I will fight not because I desire it, but because I cannot justify any other course of action – when the enemy attacks, you must fight – you must kill or you will die.

I smell you, my enemy; I can feel the ambush you have laid for me and my true countrymen, all about like a sticky spider’s web, yet we will not back down; and though you will kill some of us, you will not get us all before we have finished with you.

I stand here, ready, on the eve of battle, and I ask God why I have been brough to the threshold of this battlefield, about to be thrust in, when I though my soldiering days were through; and I am reminded that there is by His decree, a Time to Kill, as well as a Time to Die… who am I to question why?


Click to watch Band Of Brothers - Theories About War 4 minutes 14 seconds of video
Saddle up, boys, it’s time to ride out and meet them.

For those who are willing, simply comment with the words “I will stand”, that the enemies of Liberty may know what they face, and perhaps relent – it is our duty first to serve peace, even if to do so we must make war.

LT ~Those who abuse Liberty, sentence themselves to Death !

source: http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/a-time-to-kill/

[Bob]

The military would do what they’re told by those who pay them; there is no reason to think otherwise.

Have you ever served? I have plenty of reasons to believe otherwise. The enlistment oath is:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

The Second Amendment is part of the Constitution that every service member has sworn to defend.

As to the "obey the orders" part, notice the qualifier "according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice". The military is not obliged to follow illegal orders.

[freedomtrail]

Never saw so many paranoid people.
Some of you are out of your minds.

[kearnyirish2]

Our military is killing American citizens overseas in their undeclared pseudo-wars; may not be constitutional, but it stinks to high heaven. These people suddenly find consciences when it is within the US?

[sergeantdave]

I see you found the commie version on PBS. Good.

What the commie propagandists don’t mention is that the vast majority of Bonus marchers folded their tents and left DC after the senate vote. That left about a thousand commies and their sympathizers.

Here’s one key phrase: “But on June 17 the bill was defeated in the Senate, and tempers began to flare on both sides.”

There were only two sides: the commie infiltrators who wanted to create a martyr moment and the army who wanted the commies cleared out. Actually that was a signal to the commies to create an incident, and they did.

Here’s the other key phrase: “most of the press was less sympathetic.”

Duh! No chit.

Anyone who believes the PBS version of what happened to the Bonus marchers has strayed into useful idiot territory.

[Triple]

Let’s see your version of the story.

No matter how you try to de-humanize and blame the victims, I bet the story does not strip them of their US citizenship.

It is a classic dodge that you are trying to use - the actions were called for because the victim was was somehow sub-human and undeserving of human rights.

I await your version. Surely you can find someplace that has it.

[sergeantdave]

So, you turned commie useful idiot, eh?

You’re swallowing the PBS commie version as gospel.

I’ll tell you right to your face, that you’re spreading commie propaganda to demoralize the patriot movement.

I already told you what happened in the Bonus Army incident. I’m getting real tired of you leftist useful idiots infested FR.

[CodeToad]

If he made such a direct order I have no doubt it would make people choose sides as a war would break out with the first SWAT/RRT/DHS team on the first raid. Of course, we have some FReepers here that think such Americans that held out and got raided and slaughtered is a source of pride for the military, but I don’t. To think there are military personnel that would raid an American for possession of a firearm sickens me to death. I am a veteran and there is no way when I served would I have ever thought of doing such a thing. I know me, I probably would have immediate shot the officer giving such an order. I know my teammates, they would have raced me to the trigger. To even have to contemplate that our military would slaughtered Americans over possession of firearms tells me we should disband the leadership in this country and start fresh.

[ZachJones]

I hear you. Part of my reason for writing this article was to show that there would be many (statistically) in the military who would not do it, also to put it out there for those serving so they could think about what they might be asked to do (military, FBI, DHS, whoever). Give people time to think about options, I suggested a few possibilities. I can imagine on a base at muster when they are informed (because they have been thinking about it) a handful sits down and the next handful and the next handful sits, and so on ... It is good to explore peaceful solutions. If confiscations start, I can also imagine people being peaceful and refusing to turn over a weapon and demanding to be arrested...then 1 million people being arrested and then 20 million come to DC and sit and refuse to leave. And our fragile stock market drops 8 thousand, and panic sets in government and those attempting to disarm America.

...Will soldiers look closely if they are ordered to search American families’ homes? Will most intentionally not see the old double barrel shotgun in the closet of another soldier’s father or grandfather? Will they speak quietly to local veterans and relatives telling them where they might search next? Will enough refuse, making it impossible for those like Hagel, Kerry, Brennan and certain military brass to fully weaken America and her future...

...Would they? I don’t know. I hope not, given that their allegiance is supposedly to the Constitution and not Obama. I can’t believe that our military would go in lock step to implement such an order.

Would they sabotage Obama, Holder and Napolitano’s efforts? I don’t know. I think that’s possible, maybe even probable.

I do hope that those in the military are seriously considering their options. Maybe they will follow the lead of Obama’s union buddies and organize a massive sit-down strike or a massive resignation based upon a reasonable belief that the order is unlawful and in violation of the Second Amendment of the Constitution. Who knows? Maybe a few in the JAG Corps are privately preparing (at least thinking though the procedures, arguments and process) a possible legal action challenging the lawfulness of such an order to the Federal Courts....

...I pray confiscation doesn’t happen, but people in both the military and civilian worlds need to be prepared for the worst and decide how they will manage to hold to their principles. It could be that if millions of Americans (civilian and military) are prepared to be arrested for their right to keep firearms (taking a page from Martin Luther King), the government’s efforts would fall apart. However, if our military does prove itself to be willing to confiscate law abiding American citizens guns, then maybe we don’t deserve our freedoms - and all the sacrifices of all veterans who have come and gone before will have been for naught. END

This last sentence sums it up for me and is worth being arrested for or sitting in DC for a month or two.

[Triple]

Ok there tough guy...

Were the bonus marchers US citizens or not?

Even though your behavior is childish, I would like the see a written account of the events that matches your posts. The PBS account was on the top of the google search I performed - I did not have to cherry pick to find it.

I call your bluff. Answer the simple question - citizens or not? and if you want to retain credibility, post a credible source that matches your version.

[sergeantdave]

I’m not your waterboy.

Get off your butt and go to the library. Read about it on microfiche. That’s an original source.

Anyone who thinks PBS is credible is a fool.

[TArcher]

[What will happen if Obama Orders the U.S. Military to...]

Well, hopefully it won’t be like that time when the Fabian Socialist Rockefellers had the Colorado National Guard massacre coal miners down at Ludlow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

[Triple]

You got nothing...

The bonus marchers were US citizens. They were forced out of DC by the US Army.

Put up or shut up.

[TArcher]

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[There were only two sides: the commie infiltrators who wanted to create a martyr moment and the army who wanted the commies cleared out. Actually that was a signal to the commies to create an incident, and they did.]

The Army and the Commies. Hmmm.

How do you differentiate an Army of Commmies from the thing General Eisenhower warned us about 50+ years ago?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Are we there yet?

What about in the near future when homosexuals are running the Corporatist termite mound?

 

 

[Ozark Tom]

Diesel engines don’t like ingesting combustible fumes as they tend to runaway, unless safety devices shut the engine down. Methane, propane, or gasoline fumes have been implicated in accidents, in which an engine reached rpm levels sufficient to disintegrate. Sometimes the safety device has activated to no avail, as seals ruptured and the engine was happy to run on lube oil!

[TheGunny]

I went back and looked at some of your previous posts and I believe my take on you is correct...You sound like some disgruntled Lance Corporal with a very warped view of things. Wrong to a fault most of the time but to full of himself to recognize it. Sounds like you’ve gotten most of your information and understanding about the United States Armed Forces from the back of a cereal box produced in Iran. F’U and I hope your sons aren’t to badly affected by your drivel...God knows what you are trying to do here.

[appalachian_dweller]

>> Army company was formed consisting of ghetto youts, that company would have no qualms about combing the countryside confiscating guns and ammo from rednecks <<

Us rednecks tend to be VERY proficient with our tools. Ghetto youts would be neutralized extremely quickly. Counter-attacks would follow in short order.

I wise man would not pick this fight, but we are talking about obama (pig piss be upon him).