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How Nixon Won Watergate
Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks") blog ^ | March 26, 2013 | JONATHAN TURLEY

Posted on 03/26/2013 12:47:35 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

This month, I spoke at an event commemorating the 40th anniversary of the Watergate scandal with some of its survivors at the National Press Club. While much of the discussion looked back at the historic clash with President Nixon, I was struck by a different question: Who actually won? From unilateral military actions to warrantless surveillance that were key parts of the basis for Nixon’s impending impeachment, the painful fact is that Barack Obama is the president that Nixon always wanted to be.

Four decades ago, Nixon was halted in his determined effort to create an “imperial presidency” with unilateral powers and privileges. In 2013, Obama wields those very same powers openly and without serious opposition. The success of Obama in acquiring the long-denied powers of Nixon is one of his most remarkable, if ignoble, accomplishments.

Obama has not only openly asserted powers that were the grounds for Nixon’s impeachment, but he has made many love him for it. More than any figure in history, Obama has been a disaster for the U.S. civil liberties movement. By coming out of the Democratic Party and assuming an iconic position, Obama has ripped the movement in half. Many Democrats and progressive activists find themselves unable to oppose Obama for the authoritarian powers he has assumed. It is not simply a case of personality trumping principle; it is a cult of personality.

(Excerpt) Read more at jonathanturley.org ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: civilliberties; jonathanturley; nixon; obama; watergate
George Washington University Law professor, Jonathan Turley, has been a frequent columnist in the NY Times and WaPo and a commentator on MSNBC and the defunct Current TV...at least until now!
1 posted on 03/26/2013 12:47:35 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

He loved his country enough to resign and it amazes me that so many people think he was impeached


2 posted on 03/26/2013 12:51:08 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Seizethecarp

Idiotic article. Nixon inherited and ended the war, and his conduct of it had diddly squat to do with his resignation. The idea that attacking the North Vietnamese in Cambodia in an already hot war was “unilateral warfare” is a liberal fantasy.

the democrats screwed us and our allies so bad in Vietnam after they got Nixon out, it makes me sick reading their crazy revisionism.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 1:00:24 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Seizethecarp
Somewhere, Nixon must be wondering how it could have been this easy.

The common thread in the acceptance/denial of the two Presidents and their powers is the media. The Progressive media hated Nixon for jailing their Communist darling, Alger Hiss. The Washington Post made toppling his Presidency its central mission.

The Progressive media love Obama for muscling through the kind of totalitarian welfare state they've lusted for. With very few exceptions they'll support and defend his every attack on the Republican form of government.

Kudos to Jonathan Turley. The man has courage and integrity.

4 posted on 03/26/2013 1:04:14 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Seizethecarp

Stupid article - trying to catch eyeballs with a catchy headline. What this really says is what we’ve said all along. The RATS are like cheating husbands - it’s OK if I do it - just don’t let me catch YOU doing it.

It’s OK for the RATs to have an enemies list, use drones, basically act like Mob bosses. Just don’t let the other party do it or they’ll go all holier than thou.

Nixon didn’t win - the RATs won. Sheeesh.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 1:04:16 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: al baby
He loved his country enough to resign and it amazes me that so many people think he was impeached

Not only that but Nixon's cause was to try and save the nation from the entrenching of the Marxist elements that have now taken over our unions, universities, nonprofit foundations, major media, the democratic party and the government itself.

6 posted on 03/26/2013 1:05:08 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Bernard Marx; All
The common thread in the acceptance/denial of the two Presidents and their powers is the media. The Progressive media hated Nixon for jailing their Communist darling, Alger Hiss. The Washington Post made toppling his Presidency its central mission.

The Progressive media love Obama for muscling through the kind of totalitarian welfare state they've lusted for. With very few exceptions they'll support and defend his every attack on the Republican form of government.

Absolutely nailed it.

7 posted on 03/26/2013 1:13:56 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Bernard Marx
Regarding Hiss, we'd been better off hanging him and rounding up his Leftwingtard fellow travelers and hanging them.

Today we'd have a few still kvetching about hanging a few hundred commies, but not as vigorously, nor as boldly!

8 posted on 03/26/2013 1:14:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: al baby

A very common error, unfortunately.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 1:28:30 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: muawiyah
Regarding Hiss, we'd been better off hanging him and rounding up his Leftwingtard fellow travelers and hanging them.

Yes, we would. But the fact is, McCarthy tried to sound the alarm and was the one who was hung out to dry by the same Progressive media and entrenched Marxist "shadow government."

10 posted on 03/26/2013 1:48:38 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Seizethecarp

The truth about Watergate is that it was nothing more than a defensive gambit by scared Democrats. They feared that Nixon was just about to launch an enormous investigation into “Who lost the Vietnam War?”, with dozens of Democrats under the hot limelight.

Therefore, Watergate was going to be a bargaining chip to get Nixon to back off, before the Democrat party had been decimated, in hearings akin to the HUAC investigations that unveiled extensive communist infiltration in the federal government. (For which Nixon had been a lead attorney.)

But to their amazement, Nixon did not launch this investigation.

So they decided to just keep pushing with the Watergate scandal, and maybe make some political capital out of it. And because Nixon was so ill prepared, the Watergate investigation crushed the Republicans, like the war investigation would have crushed the Democrats.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 2:09:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: al baby

Let’s not smear Nixon. In his wildest dreams, Nixon could not imagine doing what Obama gets away with.


12 posted on 03/26/2013 2:10:25 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: al baby
He loved his country enough to resign and it amazes me that so many people think he was impeached

"Impeachment" is just the official accusation or indictment. The House Judiciary Committee had prepared the articles of impeachment of Nixon and had voted to send them to the full House. Nixon resigned before this vote of the full House occurred, but he would certainly have been impeached since Republicans were already joining Democrats in significant numbers to vote against him.

Conviction in the Senate requires a 2/3 majority, but Nixon would have lost there too. That is why he resigned.

13 posted on 03/26/2013 2:12:32 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: popdonnelly

Something else the libs hope people forget was that President Nixon was accused of trying to use the IRS against his enemies. They we also rabid about it. Now that it’s standard practice for Dem Presidents, not a peep out of them.


14 posted on 03/26/2013 2:15:56 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Seizethecarp

It was a leftist coup, no more, no less.


15 posted on 03/26/2013 2:52:13 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: marktwain

BTTT!


16 posted on 03/26/2013 2:52:39 PM PDT by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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To: Seizethecarp

Is he saying Obama is a Dick?


17 posted on 03/26/2013 2:54:59 PM PDT by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: Seizethecarp
The painful fact is that Barack Obama is the president that Nixon always wanted to be.

Actually, that would be John F. Kennedy, but I get the point.

Of course, it was Nixon's application of his prerogatives to domestic politics that cost him.

If he'd just been content with the powers of the office in foreign and military affairs, he would have served out his second term with more of those powers intact.

18 posted on 03/26/2013 3:06:39 PM PDT by x
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To: al baby
They're the same mouth breathers who think Clinton wasn't impeached.
19 posted on 03/26/2013 3:25:52 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Andrei Bulba

“The idea that attacking the North Vietnamese in Cambodia in an already hot war was “unilateral warfare” is a liberal fantasy.”

I agree. The reason I posted Turley’s blog is that he is calling out his comrades for attacking Nixon and Bush while staying silent when POTUS Barry does “the same thing” (in Turley’s civil libertarian estimation...not mine).

There is a circular firing squad smoldering on the left, as shown by Maddow’s comment posted today claiming that Barry won’t go on MSNBC because he would get “hard” questions.


20 posted on 03/26/2013 3:47:43 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Bernard Marx; null and void; LucyT; Red Steel; Flotsam_Jetsome; Kenny Bunk

“Kudos to Jonathan Turley. The man has courage and integrity.”

IIRC, when Orly took the case on a reserve Army Major Cook who refused to deploy because Barry was withholding his LFBC casting doubt on his eligibility and the Army discharged the man, Turley came out and said that the Army was wrong and should have litigated the matter “on the merits.”

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/19/retired-major-general-joins-litigation-over-obamas-birth-status/

“What is curious is the decision by the military to suddenly revoke the deployment orders of Cook. That served to fuel the growing movement spreading this rumor. The government is now claiming that the lawsuit is “moot” since Cook doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan. Cook in turn has added a claim to this lawsuit that he was retaliated against for his lawsuit after he was terminated at Simtech Inc., a Department of Defense contractor.

The addition of a retired major general and active colonel will have more of a promotional and legal benefit for these litigants. It was an unfortunate decision to revoke these orders. The Administration should have fought the lawsuit on the merits rather than try to moot the matter. The optics are perfect for those alleging a grand conspiracy to conceal Obama’s birth certificate (which has been viewed as third parties) and hide his alleged foreign born status.


21 posted on 03/26/2013 3:56:52 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Seizethecarp.
More than any figure in history, Obama has been a disaster for the U.S. civil liberties movement. By coming out of the Democratic Party and assuming an iconic position, Obama has ripped the movement in half. Many Democrats and progressive activists find themselves unable to oppose Obama for the authoritarian powers he has assumed. It is not simply a case of personality trumping principle; it is a cult of personality
It's additional proof that they never had any principles.


22 posted on 03/26/2013 3:59:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Seizethecarp

(left out quotes in preceding passage from Turley)

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/07/19/retired-major-general-joins-litigation-over-obamas-birth-status/

“What is curious is the decision by the military to suddenly revoke the deployment orders of Cook. That served to fuel the growing movement spreading this rumor. The government is now claiming that the lawsuit is “moot” since Cook doesn’t have to go to Afghanistan. Cook in turn has added a claim to this lawsuit that he was retaliated against for his lawsuit after he was terminated at Simtech Inc., a Department of Defense contractor.

“The addition of a retired major general and active colonel will have more of a promotional and legal benefit for these litigants. It was an unfortunate decision to revoke these orders. The Administration should have fought the lawsuit on the merits rather than try to moot the matter. The optics are perfect for those alleging a grand conspiracy to conceal Obama’s birth certificate (which has been viewed as third parties) and hide his alleged foreign born status.”


23 posted on 03/26/2013 4:01:13 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

My guess on Turley is that he skews more politically Left than Right. But he clearly believes in following legal processes and not steamrolling them for partisan purposes. I recall he was fairly influential in pushing the process for Clinton’s impeachment.


24 posted on 03/26/2013 4:32:00 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Seizethecarp

Agreed. I was reacting to Turley.


25 posted on 03/26/2013 4:58:19 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: al baby

Obama doesn’t love this (note I did not say “his”) country enough to avoid destroying it.


26 posted on 03/26/2013 5:39:53 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: neverdem

Whoever is moderating Turley’s blog has let a comment by me stay up on the blog:

Seizethecarp 1, March 26, 2013 at 11:44 am

Would now be a good time, Professor Turley, to take another look at the evidence that President Obama has also been dishonest about the authenticity of his birth certificate pdf image that he “released” to the press, but not to any plaintiff in any court?

Here is local Arizona CBS coverage of Sheriff Arpaio’s presser which has been suppressed, IMO by the cult of personality running the national media (aided by intimidation in some cases, I suspect, such as Fox News):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh37rWmUL9Q

Here is Arpaio’s full presser from March 1, 2012. (Reportedly Arpaio has accumulated additional federally certified forensic document laboratory confirmation of the forgery and is awaiting congressional support for a select committee investigation.):

http://www.westernjournalism.com/sheriff-joe-arpaio-march-31-press-conference-full-video/

Note that on the White House’s own website the transcript of the BC “release” event shows Dan Pfeiffer and Bob Bauer exhibiting obvious “plausible deniability” tactics as well as “consciousness of guilt” behavior:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/27/press-gaggle-press-secretary-jay-carney-4272011

Q And this is going to sound — I mean, you can just anticipate what people are going to — remain unconvinced. They’re going to say that this is just a photocopy of a piece of paper, you could have typed anything in there. Will the actual certificate be on display or viewable at any — (laughter.)

Q Will the President be holding it?

MR. PFEIFFER: He will not, and I will not leave it here for him to do so. But it will — the State Department of Health in Hawaii will obviously attest that that is a — what they have on file. As Bob said, it’s in a book in Hawaii.

MR. BAUER: And you’ll see the letter from the director of the Health Department that states that she oversaw the copy and is attesting to –

Q But do you understand that this could quiet the conspiracy theorists?

MR. PFEIFFER: There will always be some selection of people who will believe something, and that’s not the issue.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 6:30:24 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: null and void; LucyT; Red Steel; melancholy; Flotsam_Jetsome; Cold Case Posse Supporter; ...

ping to my comment up on Jonathan Turley’s blog re Arpaio’s forgery evidence...

Turley blasted Obama today for betraying the antiwar left and hiding behind a “cult of personality” protection shield.


28 posted on 03/26/2013 6:35:55 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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