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Edward Snowden: Hero or traitor?
Coach is Right ^ | 6/12/13 | Michael D. Shaw

Posted on 06/12/2013 4:42:23 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax

On the Right, at least, the battle lines are clearly drawn between those who worship the concept of “The State” over the natural rights of man, and those believe that the individual has some intrinsic value. The State-worshippers will tell you that Snowden violated secrecy laws, so off with his head! Meanwhile, the other side worries about how all-powerful the State has become.

One is reminded of the White Rose resistance movement in Nazi Germany. At least seven of the valiant members of the group were executed by the Gestapo, for the horrific crime of speaking out against the government.

White Rose survivor Jurgen Wittenstein described what it was like to live in Hitler’s Germany:

The government—or rather, the party—controlled everything: the news media, arms, police, the armed forces, the judiciary system...

(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: nazigermany; nsa; snowden; spying
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1 posted on 06/12/2013 4:42:23 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
or something in between...


2 posted on 06/12/2013 4:45:21 PM PDT by drewh
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The Snowden affair has manifested the distinction between the true Constitutionalist right, and statists who are pro-Israel.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 4:47:14 PM PDT by oblomov
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There's definitely a problem in this statement: " The State-worshippers will tell you that Snowden violated secrecy laws, so off with his head!"

Actually, Conservatism has a large number of TRADITIONALISTS and this guy betrayed them by violating his solemn oath.

That has nothing about worshipping the state, or violating secrecy laws ~ it's a betrayal of our ancestor's pledge of their lives, fortune and sacred honor.

Some of us still respect the Declaration of Independence.

4 posted on 06/12/2013 4:48:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: oblomov

You are wrong.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 4:49:40 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Snowden is not the story. The data is. Doesn’t matter what happens to him - he has played his part.

The data genie is never going back into the bottle - so all data should be made public and freely accessible over the web.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 4:55:15 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Edward Snowden, puppet of Obama.. False flag to wipe the other scandals out of the press and to divert Congress from those hearings. Also a nice distraction from the ‘Democrat voter recruitment program’ called ‘Immigration reform’.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 4:55:21 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: muawiyah

Why?


8 posted on 06/12/2013 4:55:53 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: muawiyah
Your bifurcation is not applicable. Right off hand the big factions inside the Conservative movement are Traditionalists, Defense, Catholic (who are also Traditionalists), Right to Life, Southerners ~ and so on ~ probably more than 20 but no need to name them all.

There are no leftists in the Conservative movement, but there are among the Libertarians ~ who are NOT CONSERVATIVES!

The GOPe has hoodwinked a lot of folks into thinking that all we have are RTL and TEAParty factions ~ but that's simply not correct. You need to unhoodwink yourself.

9 posted on 06/12/2013 5:03:35 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

The ‘data’ is primarily used to produce your telephone bills. Not likely it will ever be released for use by other companies ~


10 posted on 06/12/2013 5:04:53 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red STATE Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I reserve the right to withold that judgement for at least a year.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 5:06:43 PM PDT by DManA
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To: oblomov

correct.

we have a guy who told the world that obama and his thugs were lying about spying.

On the other side we have they have been saying for years or he took secrets but do not know what secrets or he moved to Hong Kong, sorry they mention China instead.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 5:10:13 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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I reserve the right to hold off until I am taken off the enemy list


13 posted on 06/12/2013 5:10:59 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

ah but the elitist thugs in VA and DC want us ot attack this guy and make him the issue instead of what oabma is and was doing


14 posted on 06/12/2013 5:11:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Oldpuppymax

What a great dilemma, exposing the true believers of both sides.


15 posted on 06/12/2013 5:13:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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Don’t misunderstand. Prism should NEVER have been kept secret. He did us a service by making it an issue.

There are just some kind of funny things about him.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 5:14:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: oblomov; muawiyah
I'll second muawiyah on that one. Wrong! The vast majority of "statists" (the various brands of government-linked politicos, socialists and their friends, the lying social aberrants) are anti-Israel. Common knowledge. Real Americans--about 80%--are pro-Israel.

Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927783/posts
June 10, 2003
"By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza . . . The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003."

Most Israelis are probably also in favor of exposing unconstitutional, anti-American violations of privacy, while most fascists (e.g., typically homosexual neo-Nazis) and other socialists would obviously stand against our Fourth Amendment and First Amendment freedoms.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 5:14:13 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DManA

Oh I AGREE on every word.


18 posted on 06/12/2013 5:15:20 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: familyop

I agree with your first paragraph.

I was referring to those who are “on the right” on foreign policy (e.g. Pro-Israel, pro-GWOT), but who take positions inimical to conservatism elsewhere (e.g. pro-amnesty, pro-Panopticon).


19 posted on 06/12/2013 5:21:26 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Oldpuppymax

The last time we had a tyranny in this country the British were in charge, and they would have hanged George Washington for treason if they could have.

Now that someone has finally stood up and fired the shot heard round the world to start the war against the Obama tyranny, of course, Obama supporters want him condemned for treason, too.

If Edward Snowden is not a hero, neither is George Washington. Neither is anyone.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 5:47:47 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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