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As Cruz hews to hard line, other 2016 contenders go mute on shutdown
The Hill ^ | October 11, 2013 | Cameron Joseph -

Posted on 10/12/2013 5:08:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Tensions between Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and other potential 2016 presidential contenders over the government shutdown were visible just beneath the surface at Friday's Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C.

Cruz fired up the conservative crowd with a demand that they double down in their fight against ObamaCare, ripping establishment Republicans as well as Democrats for opposing him in his quest.

But even in the aftermath of Cruz's fiery speech, others shied away from any discussion of the high-profile confrontation.

The shutdown went unmentioned by Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), both early champions of the defunding battle.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who is working toward a compromise with the White House on the shutdown and debt ceiling that does not erode ObamaCare, made a short argument for his alternate plan in Friday afternoon video message to the group.

The GOP leaders' avoidance of the high-profile battle at the conference was an important illustration of the delicate position in which they find themselves.

The conservative base loves Cruz for his defunding push and "with us or against us" mentality, but polls show the effort is hurting the Republican brand.

Paul's and Rubio's dodges, and Ryan's implicit rebuke, demonstrate that they are seeking to avoid being tainted by the fight's fallout while avoiding any confrontation with the party’s base.

Cruz used his speech to frame the debate over ObamaCare and the government shutdown in stark terms, painting it as a key battle in the larger war for individual freedom.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; abortion; conservatism; cruz2016; deathpanels; obamacare; shutdown; tedcruz; valuesvoters; zerocare

1 posted on 10/12/2013 5:08:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If anyone is interested:

Video of Cruz's speech @ the Voter Summit -- 25 minutes


2 posted on 10/12/2013 5:12:51 AM PDT by deport
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They will let Cruz get as far out on the branch as possible, then they will cut off the branch.

Make no mistake, everything the GOP is doing is to destroy Cruz.


3 posted on 10/12/2013 5:15:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The reason the “Republican Brand” is being hurt by Cruz is because he has demonstrated that the Republicans by and large are just a bunch of gutless hypocritical cowards.

The liberals hate the GOP because they are not democrats. Conservatives hate the GOP because they are not Republicans.


4 posted on 10/12/2013 5:16:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Except for Peter King R(NY). He was on MSNBC bashing Cruz and speaking like a repub candidate for 2016.


5 posted on 10/12/2013 5:18:14 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I would like to know if these are the same “polls” that show how much everyone loves obamacare? Communist aholes


6 posted on 10/12/2013 5:21:41 AM PDT by kneehurts
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There are only two (2) possible reasons that Cruz was the only 2016 presidential contender to talk about the the shutdown. 1) Cruz has scared the living crap out of them on this issue. 2) Cruz is a one trick pony.
I have seen Cruz talk on many other subjects , including abolishing the IRS.
That only leaves number uno. (little Spanish lingo there )
7 posted on 10/12/2013 5:21:57 AM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think the elitist appeasing Republican establishment has pretty much sealed its fate. They aren’t going to get those ‘independent’ moderates, they aren’t going to get blacks, nor are they going to get Hispanics no matter how much they appease. They are forever relegated to second-tier power and status because they as a national party have lost conservatives pretty much forever at this point.

I really couldn’t give a rat’s patootie about he GOP any more. Only to the extent that we can extort actions like this shutdown, etc. will I tolerate them. No money, not votes, no nothing for any GOPe anymore.

My vote, support and money are now only for Conservatives.


8 posted on 10/12/2013 5:24:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: duckman

King is auditioning for the token Republican seat in the next Democrat cabinet and like many out here in fly over country, he knows Cruz is probably the only Republican that stands a snowballs chance in Hell of winning


9 posted on 10/12/2013 5:26:54 AM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yesterday on CNN saw him riffing and heard the favorable crowd reactions while I had a breakfast sandwich at McDbag, he was definitely on the vik’!


10 posted on 10/12/2013 5:28:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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[snip] Paul’s and Rubio’s dodges, and Ryan’s implicit rebuke, demonstrate that they are seeking to avoid being tainted by the fight’s fallout while avoiding any confrontation with the party’s base. [/snip]


11 posted on 10/12/2013 5:31:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If Cruz or Palin are not eh presidential candidates at this point in time I guess I will be writing in a name.

None of the others impress me a bit.


12 posted on 10/12/2013 5:33:40 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Gaffer

I agree with your assessment about the demise of the “elitist appeasing Republican establishment.” Just one thing to note: the RNC continues to fund raise using voices like McCain in letters to rail about the far-left Dem agenda. The disconnect between the fund raising letters and their actual rhetoric in DC is astounding. They now how the base feels, but are completely unwilling to represent the base in DC.


13 posted on 10/12/2013 5:34:01 AM PDT by vekzen
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To: Tupelo
Cruz also said that the Obamacare battle is a key battle in the larger war for individual freedom. That's a mighty big and important issue. I find nothing for individual freedom in Paul Ryan's so-called grand bargain.
14 posted on 10/12/2013 5:38:04 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sometimes people are more interested in what a politician doesn’t do than they are about what they say they will do.


15 posted on 10/12/2013 5:38:20 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

By the time 2016 rolls around history will have validated that attempting to stop Obiecare will have been worth the shutdown and many will wish that the battle had been more vigiorusly engaged.


16 posted on 10/12/2013 5:38:29 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Gaffer; Tupelo; All

Rush put it so well Friday: The GOP should be doing everything to make their best customer base (conservatives, grass roots, Tea Party) happy and coming back, but they aren’t.


17 posted on 10/12/2013 5:38:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Yes. Yes. Yes.


18 posted on 10/12/2013 5:39:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So do we vote for the balless and the gutless?
So I guess we know who we have to vote for, CRUZ 2016


19 posted on 10/12/2013 5:40:59 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: P-Marlowe

Nah, GOP is the right wing of the Democratic party.


20 posted on 10/12/2013 5:41:12 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Assuming Cruz sticks to the hardline, it would be a good test candidate to see if there is sufficient support for a real conservative in the GOP.


21 posted on 10/12/2013 5:43:09 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What a bunch of gutless cowards. No wonder Sen. Cruz stands out as a leader. They have only themselves to blame for his success.

The Republican Party will not win elections without the conservative base, so who is really responsible for its demise?


22 posted on 10/12/2013 5:45:30 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As Cruz hews to hard line, other 2016 contenders go mute on shutdown

IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM YOU NOW, WE SURE AS HELL DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU LATER.


23 posted on 10/12/2013 5:46:58 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: txrefugee
....The Republican Party will not win elections without the conservative base, so who is really responsible for its demise?

And that is their great dilemma. They want us to go away (a few are rooting for Obama to make us look clueless and toothless) but we now are considered more powerful than their business (monied/lobbyists) constituency, and they are well aware that we will remove them ASAP unless they move to the right.

24 posted on 10/12/2013 5:50:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ronnie raygun
 photo RAND-PAUL-Ted-Cruz1.jpg
25 posted on 10/12/2013 5:51:57 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

At this point, Cruz is the ONLY candidate I will consider in 2016. I don’t care what party he runs for. The GOP is dead to me. Hopefully he runs as the standard bearer of a new party.


26 posted on 10/12/2013 5:54:20 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: deport

Cowards all—with ABSOLUTELY NO CONCEPT of politics anymore.


27 posted on 10/12/2013 5:54:23 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Agree to a point...the consultant/staffer class hates Cruz.

This is the group that remains “unnamed sources” and do great harm to every conservative.
I dont think Paul or Rubio are going after Cruz...they wanted a more “positive” message.

Both Paul and Rubio are for the so called amnesty bill too.
Rubio lost many political friends over his stance for amnesty. Time will tell if this is a permanent loss for him.

Paul, while good on some issues, has a problem of floating off on other issues. He will never be president but could do great harm if Cruz is the nominee..by going 3rd party. Time will tell.

Currently most conservatives are concentrating on 0bamacar and rightly so.


28 posted on 10/12/2013 6:01:09 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rrrod

The RINOS are just waiting for the right moment to stab him and go back to doing what they were doing before. Cruz had them cornered along with the democrats but its just a matter of time until they find a weak spot and finish him off. They will then go on all the talk shows and vilify him. I will never vote for a RINO again, ever. We need to take the party back one conservative at a time.


29 posted on 10/12/2013 6:07:06 AM PDT by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

100% agree!


30 posted on 10/12/2013 6:15:43 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Caipirabob
Jonathan Strong ‏@j_strong 8m

Getting word that House GOP not backing down

Jonathan Strong ‏@j_strong 13m

GOP Members woke up to find an email from Heritage calling the latest plan "surrender plus higher spending"

National Review on Shutdown

31 posted on 10/12/2013 6:35:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The others are not real men. Make no mistake about it, they are girly men. Leaders are made, not born, and Cruz is a leader.


32 posted on 10/12/2013 6:37:35 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (“Life is hard, but it’s harder when you’re stupid.” John Wayne)
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To: deport

This! is an awesome speech and I encourage all to watch/listen!


33 posted on 10/12/2013 6:40:32 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Elect no mealy mouthed traitors, only straight talkers like Palin and Cruz


34 posted on 10/12/2013 6:40:42 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: deport

WOW he really is impressive


35 posted on 10/12/2013 6:42:20 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe the McCain generation of republicans are just jealous of Cruz being he is stealing thier show?


36 posted on 10/12/2013 6:49:34 AM PDT by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I love how they say Paul Ryan has a different role.

That role is to FUND OBAMACARE, RAISE THE DEBT CEILING, REOPEN GOVERNMENT AND REVERSE SEQUESTER CUTS... Thanks for nothing!

37 posted on 10/12/2013 7:21:17 AM PDT by conservative98
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Then they must be eliminated as possible candidates for ANY office even dog catcher!


38 posted on 10/12/2013 7:35:52 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: P-Marlowe

BINGO, rubio RINO, ryan RINO, christie RINO all sold to us as conservatives. Wolves in sheep’s clothing.


39 posted on 10/12/2013 7:37:27 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The shutdown went unmentioned by Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), both early champions of the defunding battle

It's times like these that one see's what true courage looks like!!!

40 posted on 10/12/2013 7:45:15 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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What a bunch of gutless cowards. No wonder Sen. Cruz stands out as a leader. They have only themselves to blame for his success.

It's astonishing that none of the Republicans are hammering the Dems on the shutdown now, since the House Republicans offered full funding of ObamaCare, contingent upon all exceptions and waivers being stripped out.

It's the most effective arrow in the GOP quiver, but they refuse to touch it. That reeks of elitist complicity.

41 posted on 10/12/2013 8:22:40 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

So true. None of them will cry over Cruz’s demise.


42 posted on 10/12/2013 8:25:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s why Cruz is the only viable candidate for me!


43 posted on 10/12/2013 8:50:52 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He’s our Cuban Reagan to get us out of the Kenyan Carter disaster

Cruz/West.2016


44 posted on 10/12/2013 9:47:45 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Cincinatus' Wife.
...in the aftermath of Cruz's fiery speech... The shutdown went unmentioned by Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), both early champions of the defunding battle. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who is working toward a compromise with the White House on the shutdown and debt ceiling that does not erode ObamaCare, made a short argument for his alternate plan in Friday afternoon video message to the group... Paul's and Rubio's dodges, and Ryan's implicit rebuke, demonstrate that they are seeking to avoid being tainted by the fight's fallout while avoiding any confrontation with the party’s base. Cruz used his speech to frame the debate over ObamaCare and the government shutdown in stark terms, painting it as a key battle in the larger war for individual freedom.
Sounds like Reagan to me. I'm old and jaded, and was fired up from the four or five minutes that I heard while munching breakfast at McDbag's yesterday.


45 posted on 10/12/2013 10:24:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), Paul Ryan (R-Wis.):

All wussies and sell-outs to the GOPe

“Polls show the effort is hurting the Republican brand”:

Only according to their fixed “polls”. We, here in flyover country, love Cruz!!


46 posted on 10/12/2013 10:38:46 AM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: SunkenCiv
[snip] Paul’s and Rubio’s dodges, and Ryan’s implicit rebuke, demonstrate that they are seeking to avoid being tainted by the fight’s fallout while avoiding any confrontation with the party’s base. [/snip]

You left out your commentary with the "c" word. COWARDS.
47 posted on 10/12/2013 12:00:52 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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