Shameless Scumbag Vladimir Putin Blames Ukraine for What HIS Bone-Headed Thugs Did

Reaganite Republican ^ | 18 July 2014 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

If you look up 'shameless' in the dictionary...

As a passenger liner with almost 300 people was shot-down, the Kremlin can see that this is the death for the underhanded crap they've been pulling in Ukraine, as for outside opinion anyway, they're toast.

Vlad was trained how to lie, obfuscate, and deflect by the KGB, and he's usually pretty good at it. But this one really takes the cake:

"This would not have happened if there were peace on this land ... and, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility."

Oh really? Not the lowlife GBU Colonel and his Moscow mafia soldiers you armed with tanks and advanced AA weaponry? No responsibility there?

Why did he brag about it?

When he said 'don't fly in OUR sky', who was WE, Vlad?

Why did he say 'a bird fell', why would he say it that way, Vlad?

Why not "OMG, the Ukrainian government shot-down a passenger plane!!!"

THE KREMLIN started this war, THE KREMLIN is continuing this war, and THE KREMLIN's proxies shot down that airliner yesterday, while denying they had the weaponry to do so. Funny, everybody knows the Ukrainians didn't... but God Knows what SAM system Putin has sent over the border (oops, now we know).

Maybe the world will learn the hate the Russians as I -and any sensible person in the West- does... with their current regime, you'd have to be an idiot to ever believe a single word they say. And they MUST be resisted at every turn...

[elhombrelibre]

Keep blaming the victims. If you were a hunter, would you shoot something before you knew what it was. You’re wrong, and you’re silly.

[RC one]

I wouldn’t go running around in the bushes if it was hunting season and I’m definitely not blaming the victims. I’m blaming the people that cleared the flight path.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Wait. What about “reset”. What about “smart power”

I thought Hillary had fixed all of this

[Sherman Logan]

Agree that this was a disaster for Putin, and that it greatly benefits those opposing him.

Also agree that the notion it’s a false flag operation is nutty.

Putin f’ed up by giving control of such weapons to the wrong guys, and then they f’ed up by misusing them. Drunk?

I strongly suspect those who actually made the decision to fire are in deep bear poop right now.

[PieterCasparzen]

Sounds good except for the tweets and recorded conversation tying this to rebels backed by Russia. Not to mention the scavenging of the crash site to remove evidence including black box from aircraft. Only ones with access to site ...rebels and Russian friends.

"Evidence" supporting the US when it comes to "attacks" has a completely dubious track record. Youtube videos, pictures, tweets, etc., not reliable.

If I was in the anti-EU camp in Ukraine, the first thing I would have done is grabbed that black box, so the CIA or MI6 could not grab it and fake it before letting NTSB or any other investigators look at it.

The US track record in espionage over the past few decades, with all the connections to AQ, dictators in the middle east and elsewhere working for us, our own export of revolutions, etc., makes me highly suspect of my own government. Not to mention my government's view of national security threats are #1 Christians #2 gun owners, which makes me even more skeptical of ol' gubmint.

In general, at this point, I assume every "man-made disaster" is an inside job of some kind. There are a number of takedowns of planes where the truth is still not admitted. There's the bogus other "missing" Malaysian Airlines plane. It all stinks, IMHO.

I also know that Russia and all other nations are headed for globalism, so I really don't trust much of what ANY government official from any country says.

I'm certainly not interested in pursuing the old Cold War any more. It was a bogus way to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on both sides. The financiers got richer and gained more control and power is all that happened in reality.

[PieterCasparzen]

See my post #85.

All’s the US gubmint is doing is lookin for a cause for war in Ukraine.

Well, a “police effort” or covert op, or what have you.

But basically they want Ukraine to get in the EU.

This gives the West control over Ukraine’s government.

Just like in the US, UK and Europe, it will be ever-increasing taxes, government debt and spending on the wares of multinational companies/monopolies/cartels, etc.

Defense, big-ag, big-medicine, NGOs, foundations, etc., etc.

[ansel12]

You are the one claiming that they are going nuclear, tell us why.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Since the Russian Air Force seems to have shot down a Ukrainian MIG three days ago, I was convinced the Russians did this but maybe it WAS their proxy force in Donetsk after all

The source of the story, if you track it far enough, is Russian state controlled media, with no photographs, evidence, nothing. It is common practice for the Russkies to claim something was "captured," before sending it in. The Ukrainians themselves say no such system was ever captured.

The Interpreter website covers this sort of thing and most everything that comes out of Russia, including fake news stories and the way the Russkies do it. This should be a good source for you in the future:

http://www.interpretermag.com/

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The U.S. and the Russkies made the Ukrainians give up the Nukes upon the “agreement” that Russia would never invade them.

Look how well that worked out.

[Popman]

——I strongly suspect those who actually made the decision to fire are in deep bear poop right now.-——

Yea...I imagine they are tapping out a message to Jack Bauer in some russian dungeon cell asking for help....: )

[Sherman Logan]

Could US intelligence have done this? You bet.

Is it very much in the interests of those presently running the US and EU? Absolutely.

Does this mean it was necessarily done by sinister evil western groups? Nope.

One should never assume malevolence when incompetence can adequately explain what happened.

IOW, let's use Occam's Razor.

Which requires the more complicated assumptions?

A. Evil western intelligence agency smuggles the rather significant equipment into a war zone, almost certainly after stealing it from the Russian government, then blows this plane out of the sky. Followed by extensive false-flag radio and cell phone traffic to make it look like the Russkies did it.

B. Incompetent, drunk and/or lost in the fog of war "separatist" militias and/or Russian agencies fires the missile and "accidentally" shoots down the plane, probably under the impression it was a military target.

To my mind B is a lot more likely to happen. YMMV.

One thing to consider when one starts seeing secret conspiracy everywhere is whether there is any possible evidence that would change one's mind.

If not, one is probably getting over the edge into believing by faith that everything bad is caused by whatever evil group you hold responsible for the world's problems. The problem is that sometimes things just happen, there is no secret conspiracy behind it.

[McGruff]

Did you forget to take your

[attiladhun2]

Where are all the pro-Putin apologists today? I heard Alex Jones last nite still trying to spin this into some kind of NATO false-flag operation, but it was obvious from the gate the airliner was downed by a pro-Ruskie militia unit. First of all, they were boasting on social-media sites about bringing down a Ukrainian transport, then when they realized what they actually had done, pulled down the comments. Secondly, the missile was tracked coming from pro-Ruskie held territory. Thirdly, another Putin-handled militia unit secured the crash site.

Obviously, some of Putin's boys, probably well-fueled themselves with vodka and hashish, saw a blip on the RADAR scope and could not wait to bring down another Ukrainian bogey. "OOPS!" Bigtime f-up. But you can lay all of this at Vladimir's doorstep. He stirred the pot, supplied the hardware, and illegally sent in his thugs to train these militias.

[attiladhun2]

Are there globalists willing to lie, kill, steal, start wars, or do anything else to promote their agenda? Certainly. Does that mean every single incident that takes place can be explained by a globalist conspiracy? If you do, you have become a lunatic.

[Sherman Logan]

You betcha.

Pretty often people extrapolate from the evil intentions they believe others have to their actually doing evil things.

The problem is there is (luckily) often an enormous gap between intentions and capabilities.

For instance, I’m pretty sure ISIS or Iran would love to nuke NYC or Tel Aviv. To date neither has had the capability to do so.

Unfortunately, that is subject to change at a moment’s notice. In all likelihood we will find out about our enemy’s new capabilities only when the mushroom cloud appears.

[PieterCasparzen]

After the last Malaysian Airlines plane that completely disappeared - and authorities for weeks spewed all about their “radar tracking”, which was a circus - I don’t trust anything about authorities saying there was a missile involved or there was not a missile involved.

IMHO, this just as easily could have been a bomb on board.

[justa-hairyape]

See, markets are based upon public opinion and choices.

Back when Reagan was President, that was true. But not now. The markets are bubbles supporting crony socialism and crony capitalism. They will burst soon.

[justa-hairyape]

Because they said so. Goodbye.

[justa-hairyape]

The U.S. and the Russkies made the Ukrainians give up the Nukes upon the “agreement” that Russia would never invade them.

Anyone believing the US government at this point is just a tool or a fool.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

No one should believe the Russkies either.