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Americans aren’t getting married, and researchers think porn is part of the problem
Washington Post ^ | 12/21/2014 | By Roberto A. Ferdman

Posted on 12/22/2014 8:22:56 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

There could be an unlikely contributor to the decline of marriage in this country. And it's free pornography on the Internet.

A team of researchers, who published their findings in The Institute for the Study of Labor (IZA) in Germany, determined that the rise of free Internet pornography is not only correlated with a pronounced decline in percentage of young adult males who are married, but might actually be contributing to the trend.

"The results in this paper suggest that such an association exists, and that it is potentially quite large," the study notes.

The researchers used data from the General Social Survey (GSS), a comprehensive, nationally representative survey, to analyze how 18-to-35 year-old men used the Internet between 2000 and 2004. They focused on how many hours each participant spent on the Internet per week, and how many reported having used the Internet to view pornography in the past 30 days, but also observed other activities, including the use of religious websites.

"We asked ourselves, what is helping determine whether people are married or not?" said Dr. Michael Malcolm, a professor at the University of West Chester, Pennsylvania, and one of the study's authors. "One of those things, we thought, could be the use of pornography."

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The reason, Malcolm explains, is likely tied to the relationship between marriage and sexual gratification. If pornography is viewed as a means of alternative sexual gratification, then it could be undercutting the need for marriages to serve this function, at the very least during a younger age. Think of it as a milder form of premarital sex.

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TOPICS: Society
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To: BobL
Women can basically whore-themselves-out for a short number of years, and then have a steady income flow, maybe for life.

What planet are you living on? I know women who have had to spend their entire life savings and then live in poverty to defend against malicious custody suits brought by unscrupulous husbands and/or lawyers who knew she would do anything to keep her children from living at dad's house with the steady stream of loose women, drink/drugs and porn.

141 posted on 12/22/2014 10:51:14 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: ansel12

Which is very true (used to work as a bouncer way back when).

What I saw in the late 1990’s was that the same group of guys would come in and out with a lot of different women. The majority of guys would never leave with one. So for a given bar, you would have may five or ten guys who would be picking up women, and thirty to forty who would never be able to.


142 posted on 12/22/2014 10:52:04 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wgmalabama

Great post, and I agree. In a more general sense, I think we’ve become progressively cynical and secular as a society, and thus the idea of finding your true love and being together forever has become for many a quaint concept not grounded in reality. Of course being ‘burned’ by someone contributes to that, but I think the reasons are deeper.


143 posted on 12/22/2014 10:52:39 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: gawatchman

Especially the idea of sex on demand.


144 posted on 12/22/2014 10:52:46 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

I just remember one time a guy told me “The ring is on my finger, not on my d-—.”


145 posted on 12/22/2014 10:54:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: CodeToad
I met way too many baby factory little girls that didn’t want to work, didn’t want an education, but wanted to use children as the excuse to stay home. Childrearing and home-making are lost arts these days and the most valuable of all professions, but, these little girls didn’t want that, they just wanted an excuse to stay home and not work; as though being a homemaker and a mother isn’t the most demanding of work. They never were taught that lesson by their mothers.

If I read you correctly, you are saying that today's female marriage aspirants do not intend to actually do household management and childcare if they have an "excuse to stay home"?

146 posted on 12/22/2014 10:56:23 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: wardaddy

Laughable, huh?

Does it make you feel better that in 138 plus posts - NOBODY agrees with you?

What does your opinion say about you when no one else here thinks this is a “Ridiculous assertion”?

Some here are arguing that is is not that big a deal, some argue there are far more important issues that has left marriage in the dirt.

But you dismiss it entirely out of hand.

Perhaps you don’t believe porn is all that harmful. Perhaps you have some porn sites open now on your computer?


147 posted on 12/22/2014 11:00:46 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Albion Wilde

“When I went to my niece’s dance recital ten years ago, the three-year-old beginners were dressed. . . .”

I have many issues with Disney, but their “Princesses” are typically wonderful and demure, as are the costumes there are exceptions to this — Jasmine, for example).

It’s no surprise they’ve done so well commercially -— it’s hard to find normal, non-sexualized (e.g, Barbie, although we gave into that) toys for girls.


148 posted on 12/22/2014 11:03:01 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: GeronL
The lesson should be not to have sex with women you wouldn’t want to be married to.

And who wouldn't want to marry you. In short, there is no substitute for marriage before sex. It's where the, well, I was going to say the "rubber meets the road", but you know what I mean. There is no substitute for real commitment; no atheists in foxholes... oh, wait... there I go again.

149 posted on 12/22/2014 11:04:51 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: redgolum

“Men are turning away from women because of the legal and emotional risk. You see a few buddies go down with various legal and financial hits, you stop looking”


BINGO!!!!!!!


150 posted on 12/22/2014 11:06:30 AM PST by saleman (?)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Post of the thread. Every word is true.


151 posted on 12/22/2014 11:09:25 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Albion Wilde

“do not intend to actually do household management and childcare if they have an “excuse to stay home”?”

That is exactly what I am saying. It is one reason why so many marriages fail: The mothers really didn’t want children, they just used them to stay at home. So, when the kids become a handful, and children always do (I know, I’ve seen me do it!), the mothers fall apart and expect the dad to cover things when he gets home. He is overwhelmed and the arguments start, the marriage fails.

I have personally witnessed this countless times.


152 posted on 12/22/2014 11:13:52 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
in my youth I saw some porn a couple of times and it was so stupid and boring I was done with it in about 5 minutes. That’s why I can’t imagine millions of people not getting married because of porn.

About 99% of porn has been made to appeal to men, specifically the type of man who would bore and offend most women within 5 minutes. Assuming that you are a female, your observation is beside the point.

153 posted on 12/22/2014 11:14:10 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: chris37
As far as people making babies outside of families, I think that is the result of recreational sex, which is a real shame, because babies need both a mom and a dad, and they also need a stable family unit of means in order to help them have the best possible opporunity to succeed in my opinion.

Spot on.

154 posted on 12/22/2014 11:19:26 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Mr. K
divorce court is NOT fair and balanced. It is two lawyers fighting with each other until the money is all gone, followed by a stupid decision which destroys whatever remains of the fathers life.

It can be terrible for women, too; make no mistake. The one who cares the least wins the most. Who it is never terrible for is the lawyers.

155 posted on 12/22/2014 11:20:55 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Most want to be able to go out everyday, facebook constantly, shop without having money, sexually loose, and trash men......

In watching Mrs WBill's unmarried 30- and 40-something friends .... I'd concur. My opinion? Who would want to marry someone who would treat them like a doormat?

I'd also add that at face value, these women's lives are footloose, fancy-free, and a whole lot of fun. Trips to Europe on a whim, theater and shopping in NYC, a party-hearty lifestyle.

But, when you speak with them beyond some light dinner party chitchat, they're desperately unhappy, and want exactly what Mrs WBill has ... kids, (ahem) a good man, little house with a white picket fence, stability. They're trying to replace that emptiness with bigger and better parties, and failing miserably at it.

Mrs WBill and I do OK, but as anyone who's successfully been married can attest, marriage is a lot of sacrifice, and even more hard work. No trips to Europe. No fabulous dinners out - that disappeared with kids (now, we rate restaurants on whether or not "chicken tenders" are on the menu.....) A wild night this weekend was cookies and hot cocoa, a drive town around looking at local Christmas lights, and WBill Jr. in bed by 8:00. We had a ball, but it wasn't a 3-day bender in NYC.

Being married means saying "yes" to different things, and until these women decide to do that, they'll be bitterly unhappy.

That's my $0.02 psychoanalysis, anyway. Makes me very, very glad that I found a good woman. :-)

156 posted on 12/22/2014 11:22:51 AM PST by wbill
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To: chris37

re your post 130, you’re doing everyone a service. However, your above understanding of what children need means you may find yourself willing to change for the right woman; so I wish you luck. You are your own person. There is no reason to let your brother’s example influence your self-image.


157 posted on 12/22/2014 11:25:30 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: CodeToad

Sad. All I ever wanted was to be a stay-at-home mother to a large family, but God had other plans and I ended up in a high-pressure career with demanding clients. I was good at it and won many awards. When I finally did have a child I was technically old enough to be a grandmom, but to me, my life finally had meaning and purpose that all the career success had not provided. One day I was cutting a peanut butter sandwich into a star for the kid’s lunchbox and was just overwhelmed with joy and happiness!


158 posted on 12/22/2014 11:35:14 AM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

guy I know who is 65 is upset he isn’t married, kind of upset, but he has a major issue with that.


159 posted on 12/22/2014 11:36:00 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Responsibility2nd

Good lord the pissed off snarly women here.

You know something...its always been that way....going on 15 years

The nastiest posters....clown posse types...have always been girls and the little boy posters who try to be in their club

Merry Christmas honey.


160 posted on 12/22/2014 11:36:39 AM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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