Exposing The First Birther [Who was the first person to say that Obama was born in Kenya?]

wordpress ^ | January 17, 2015 | Steven Goddard

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Exposing The First Birther

Posted on January 17, 2015 by stevengoddard

Birthers are evil people who say that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. The first birther was almost certainly Barack Obama.

From 1991 to 2007, his literary agents promoted him as being born in Kenya. The only plausible place they could have gotten his bio from is from Barack Obama himself. There was no Internet in 1991. When someone wants a bio, they say “write a short paragraph about yourself.” It is implausible that his bio came from anyone else, or that his agents would have wasted time trying to pull together information about some recently graduated college kid’s birthplace and background.

Miriam Goderich of Acton & Dystel says that she didn’t do adequate fact checking, but she never said whose facts it was she was checking.

So why would Obama lie about his birthplace? If you ask that question, progressives call you a birther. (Queue in the usual progressive scumbags.)

1991

Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii’

2004

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

2007

http://web.archive.org/web/20070403190001

[Fantasywriter]

‘[Cindy Pratt] called the birth of little Barry “a scandal and a half”.’

She absolutely did nothing of the kind. She said that Stanley Ann having a mixed race son was the scandal. She said nothing about the birth. In context, she is talking about a little boy, not a baby.

[freepersup]

I'm sticking with the founder's intent for the more stringent qualifying criteria established- to hold the office of President and Vice President, not the position of a common citizen / resident. You?

It would take me some time but eventually I could put every poster on this thread into one of two categories... the Fogbows, and the Continentals.

[freepersup]

Good to see ya’ scrumming it up around these parts mate. Fair dinkum indeed.

[Nero Germanicus]

I understand and can appreciate your point of view and perhaps the courts or legislative action will codify your position in law.

Whatever was the Founder’s original intent (and we know from the notes taken at the Constitutional Convention that there was unanimous agreement on almost no issue), the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment has altered the view of courts and laws passed since 1865.

The Founders made provision for future generations to alter their thinking on any constitutional issue via amendment and since adoption of the 14th, the Supreme Court has ruled that there are two classes of citizens: born and naturalized: “ALL (no exceptions) persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” The word “ALL” is definitive.
For example, the Supreme Court ruled in Elk v Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94 in 1884 that: “The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the constitution, by which ‘no person, except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president;’ and ‘the congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.’Const. art. 2, § 1; art. 1, § 8.

” Citizens by birth” in the passage above were contrasted with naturalized citizens, with the former class being eligible to be president.

The Supreme Court went on to say in their ruling in Elk v. Wilkens: “This section [of the 14th Amendment] contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

[freepersup]

The trouble with or nemesis to a constitution is as time ebbs on, future generations and their understanding or interpretation of the originator’s intent becomes either something less or something more than originally intended, and it’s usually the latter.

The founder’s grandparents were of a generation that dunked witches in water in order to divine their purity.

Fast forward to today, and we find that hardcore pornography is protected free speech under the First Amendment. This is hardly what the founders intended as a kind of speech deserving of a protection clause, especially when considering what kind of puritan moral code prevailed in said times.

I can appreciate your due diligence in providing the foundations to your contentions regarding the definition of a citizen. THAT isn’t my point at all. It’s the higher bar set for ONLY two positions in government- only two, no matter the size of the population or the size of the government. The bar was elevated to the highest “loyalty” criteria permitted, under the freshly conceived form of government.

Anywho- the courts are filled with fallible humans (judges) creating ever unconstitutional, and might I add fallible laws, and we the people whom have remedy to elect others in their steed, are asleep at the wheel. Unfortunately and further, incumbency has powerful benefits and voter apathy is rampant.

[Fantasywriter]

Anyone who has any doubts that you are LorenC just didn’t know you in your former ID.

[Nero Germanicus]

I am already concerned that Senator Ted Cruz just might be the conservative with the best chance to unite all the various conservative factions and stop a Hillary Clinton presidency and his birth in Calgary to a Cuban-born father could derail his candidacy.

Paraphrasing Sir Winston Churchill: our messy, fallible, flawed system is the worst, except when it is compared to all the other systems that exist or have existed.

Benedict Arnold and Aaron Burr (tried for treason but acquitted) were natural born citizens.

[Fantasywriter]

Do you agree with Ted Cruz that Obama is a liar and should apologize to the American people?

[Fred Nerks]

thanks, I just wish freepers would show a little more interest in finding out who his actual, biological parents were before they worried about his ‘natural born’ status.

[freepersup]

What you are asking for... is incredulous when judged on it's merits, but it is endemic of this impostor's twisted concocted narrative. NOBODY knows the truth. I agree.

Perhaps... Sheriff Arpaio HAS also found some incredulous data that is SO preposterous as to defy logic, and knowing so, AND knowing of the duplicity of the main stream media, has few options at this point.

If we can't have anything but the truth revealed at some point in the future- I opt for such outcome/choice. Having said that- the first to hang should be the media sycophants. Of course... lamp posts would be in short supply, due to such high demand.

Take care and watch your six.

[Fred Nerks]

Perhaps... Sheriff Arpaio HAS also found some incredulous data that is SO preposterous as to defy logic, and knowing so, AND knowing of the duplicity of the main stream media, has few options at this point.

Seems you and I are on the same wavelength. Time will tell. Zero is but one person, the target has to be the entire cabal.

[elengr]

Hello Fred,

I lurk here mostly these days, posting only occasionally when the passion really moves me, but I always enjoy reading your posts about aka obama’s possible origins. I know you are a little “gun shy” about exposing to attack your best guesses as to our putative president, identity-fraud-and-cheat’s true life story. That is a real shame because you seem to have as good and earnest a handle on it as anyone here. Aka obama certainly remains an enigma to me (well, other than knowing he is a bigoted, racist, anti-American marxist islamophile).

What I know with certainty is that if aka obama’s lips are moving and if they aren’t enveloping food (or Reggie’s Love) then he is probably lying. He claimed for over fifteen years in his publicist’s bio (consistently through multiple revisions) to have been born in Kenya, which if he were a normal, decent person would settle the question, but the man is such a pathological liar and there is so much conflicting evidence (almost none of it conclusive) that I don’t know what to believe. I am certain that there is at least something dreadfully and damagingly amiss in the particulars of where, when and to whom he was born, but as to what the truth is — who knows?

If you are willing, I would love to read your summarized best guess as to what the truth is about aka obama’s nativity story and identity, if not publicly, then perhaps via freepmail (with a solemn promise to keep it private if you so desire).

Anyway, all the best and please keep posting. I sure hope the man behind the curtain gets exposed in my lifetime.

[CpnHook]

He lied about his background in a bio to be circulated by his literary agent back in the 90s, when being a Kenyan-born candidate for Mayor of da Shity of Chicago (his highest aspiration at the time) would have been cool.

A year before the Acton & Dystel pamphlet was produced, Obama gave interviews to both the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Daily Herald in which he stated that he was born in Hawaii.

Now, these publications obviously circulated widely around Chicago. The A&D pamphlet, by contrast, had Obama's pithy bio among a group of 80 or so authors and was distributed just to a relatively small handful of publishers. In addition to the Chicago publications, the "born in Hawaii" reporting in 1990 was done also in the New York Times and Washington Post.

It doesn't seem likely that the A&D "born in Kenya" statement came directly from Obama, given that in interviews to these major national publications Obama the year earlier stated point-blank he was born in Hawaii. What would have been the motivation for stating it differently the next year? "Born in Hawaii" was already on the public record and circulated widely. And if the motivation was somehow to create a buzz around his forthcoming book, then why not include "born in Kenya" in the book itself? Or at least put it on the dust jacket? What would Obama accomplish by just putting it in this extremely-small-circulation agent's pamphlet?

The explanation that the bio was simply something cobbled together by someone at A&D makes more sense.

[cynwoody]

The explanation that the bio was simply something cobbled together by someone at A&D makes more sense.

Perhaps. But, no doubt trusting his agent's instincts about making him seem exotic and cool, he did nothing to correct the little white lie.

I note, in your first clip, his daddy, who was a worthless drunk, gets promoted from staff economist to finance minister. LOL!

In your second clip, a legible version of which can be seen here, he disdains the suburbs and claims to have attended public school in Hawaii. False! He attended Hawaii's most exclusive private school. Obviously, he thought it served his image better to have gone to public school like the hoi polloi.

[Ghost of SVR4]

I don’t know where he was born.

That's just it, none of us do.

[CpnHook]

Perhaps. But, no doubt trusting his agent's instincts about making him seem exotic and cool, he did nothing to correct the little white lie.

If Obama was trying to score a date with some lady at a publisher, I might go with the "exotic and cool" bit. But still it's a tiny audience and any publisher curious about him who spends a minute on Lexis/Nexis would find all the "born in Hawaii" stuff.

I note, in your first clip, his daddy, who was a worthless drunk, gets promoted from staff economist to finance minister. LOL!

Now you're really quibbling. "Senior Economist at the Ministry of Finance" (as Wikipedia describes him) in the Tribune article is "a minister of finance" (lower case; not "THE Finance Minister.") In the Herald he's an economist. I'm not seeing the promotion.

In your second clip, a legible version of which can be seen here, he disdains the suburbs and claims to have attended public school in Hawaii. He attended Hawaii's most exclusive private school. Obviously, he thought it served his image better to have gone to public school like the hoi polloi.

The context is his mother taking him away from Indonesia (where he WAS with the lower classes) to better schools in Hawaii. Did Obama say "public?" Perhaps. Did the journalist hear what wasn't there? Perhaps. (Most everyone I've known who's been interviewed and quoted in the media complains of errors). Does the difference affect the point of the paragraph? No.

[Fantasywriter]

‘The explanation that the bio was simply something cobbled together by someone at A&D makes more sense.’

It only makes sense to Obots, who will believe any explanation so long as it makes Obama look good.

For example, if Acton and Dystel were such incompetent morons that they couldn’t even get their clients’ most basic, important facts right, then they must have screwed up quite a few bios, right?

Nope; they got them all right. They were, in fact, very competent and accurate.

But of course, in the world of Obots, ‘it only happened to Obama’ is the staple excuse. Look how many times they use it.

Where’s the long list of authors Acton and Dystel paid not one but two large advances to to write a nonfiction book ***based*** on the ‘mistake’ in their bio?

There isn’t any other such author; it only happened to Obama.

Where’s the long list of people born in HI with CN SS#s.

There isn’t one; it only happened to Obama.

About how many prominent Hawaiians did Abercrombie say he could find no BC? That there was no evidence the person was even born in HI?

It only happened to Obama.

How many people actually born in HI believe the state is located in Asia?

Only Obama.

How many people who were even born in the USA, much less HI, believe there are 60 states?

Only Obama.

How many people’s BCs list ‘African’ as a race?

Only Obama’s.

How many people’s draft registration card lists only two digits for the year?

Only Obama’s.

About how many POTUSs is it entirely unknown where their mother was living when she birthed him?

Only Obama.

How many prominent American politicians have gotten confused about the date of their own birthday?

Only Obama.

How many US politicians have wives who claim their memoir was written by a notorious domestic terrorist?

Only Obama.

About how many US politicians has a foreign National Assembly claimed he was born in their country?

This has only been claimed, multiple times, about Obama.

How many ‘born in the USA’ politicians have, in their background, multiple media sources that list their birth as foreign?

Only Obama.

How many US politicians’ wives have referred to a foreign country as their husband’s “homeland”?

This has only happened to Obama.

How many US politicians, who claim their parents were married, have wives who describe their mother as “very young and very single” at the time of their birth?

This only happened to Obama.

This list could go on and on. The point is, Obots will accept an unlimited number of ‘it only happened to Obama’s, and act like there is nothing unusual about it. The rational, thinking part of their brains is fried. They can no longer reason. If they could, they would add up all the items in this list and realize that there are too many issues to explain with the flip catch-all, ‘it only happened to Obama.’

[Fantasywriter]

Correction. Obama doesn’t have a CN SS#. He has a CT SS#.

[cynwoody]

If Obama was trying to score a date with some lady at a publisher, I might go with the "exotic and cool" bit.

A literary agent's job is to sell an author. Obviously, Miriam Goderich thought Obama would be more salable if Kenyan-born than American-born. And Obama must have agreed, since he left the "error" go uncorrected, despite knowing the truth was out there. He's a compulsive liar.

[CpnHook]

For example, if Acton and Dystel were such incompetent morons that they couldn’t even get their clients’ most basic, important facts right, then they must have screwed up quite a few bios, right?

Who's to say?

But this much anyone who can think rationally can figure: if the agency advanced Obama significant monies to further a project based on a "born in Kenya" premise, when it was just stated nationwide that Obama was born in Hawaii, then the agency is pretty stupid. That notion is so stupid that it can't reasonably be believed that's what they did.

Or, perhaps maybe initially they thought "born in Kenya" was possible, but upon learning Obama had just prior told the national press he was born in Hawaii, they shrewdly abandoned that project, and this explains why said project didn't get one micrometer off the ground. In that case, one can say that the agency could at least acknowledge the reality of Obama having told several major national publications he was born in Hawaii and deal with that fact accordingly.

They could, whereas you can't.