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Paper: Spontaneous Creation of the Universe From Nothing
Darwin's God ^ | 03/05/2015 | Cornelius Hunter

Posted on 03/05/2015 8:19:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

A Two Thousand Year Old Project

Two thousand years ago the Epicureans believed that the world arose spontaneously. Their idea was that randomly veering atoms attained a great variety of configurations by chance, and would eventually find themselves forming stable, functional structures. And while this may seem unlikely, the immense universe provided a great many opportunities for those configurations to come about. In Cicero’s dialog, the Epicurean explains this to his stoic opponent:

You [stoics] would surely have no need of the activity of such a figure [a skilled craftsman] if you would only observe how unlimited, unbounded tracts of space extend in all directions. When the mind strains and stretches itself to observe these distances, it journeys abroad so far that it can observe no ultimate limit at which to halt. It is in this boundless extent of breadth, length, and height, then, that innumerable atoms of infinite quantity flit around. … There is space between them, yet they latch on to each other. In gripping each other they form a chain, as a result of which are fashioned the shapes and forms of things which you Stoics believe cannot be created without bellows and anvils. So you have implanted in our heads the notion of an external lord whom we are to fear day and night; for who would not stand in awe of a god who is a prying busybody, who foresees and reflects upon and observes all things, believing that everything is his business?

Cicero’s dialog reveals how little has changed in two thousand years and just how enduring certain metaphysical themes are. The Epicurean complains to the stoic that he does not appreciate the great size of the universe, that chance events are capable of producing functional structures, and that therefore there is no need to believe a sovereign Creator or “external lord,” who we must fear, is needed.

Though the terminology has changed, the ideas have not. This dialog from Cicero could have been written today. What goes around comes around.

Like the Epicureans, evolutionists believe that the world arose spontaneously. Darwin fulfilled this mandate for the origin of species. But the origin of everything else has been described by modern day Epicureans in the centuries before and after Darwin.

Evolutionary thought is by no means restricted to the species. Consciousness, life, the planets, the galaxy, and even the universe and its natural laws all are hypothesized to have arisen spontaneously.

This is a rather heroic mandate. It seems we do not live in a universe where functioning structures just happen to assemble. Not without other very clever structures to make it happen.

Yet evolutionists do not give this a second thought. They believe all this happened, even though the science does not support them. Last year this movement continued with a new paper entitled “Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing.” According to evolutionists, this paper provided the mathematical proof of what they already had assumed to be true.

So there you have it. Evolutionists believe not only that giraffes, sharks, violets and moles spontaneously arose; they not only believe consciousness, love and emotion spontaneously arose; they not only believe life itself spontaneously arose; they not only believe the Sun, stars and cosmos spontaneously arose; they believe the entire universe itself spontaneously arose.

Religion drives science, and it matters.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: belongsinfringe; belongsinreligion; creation; evolution; exnihilo; fauxiantrolls
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1 posted on 03/05/2015 8:19:38 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Sure. This happens all the time.

Yesterday, a million dollars spontaneously created itself in my bank account. Hahahahahahaha.

2 posted on 03/05/2015 8:22:55 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Roman 13:12)
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To: SeekAndFind

You are confusing Biology ( Evolution) with Physics.


3 posted on 03/05/2015 8:25:08 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupidity.
If there is “nothing” then nothing can happen. “nothing” can not do anything.
There must be something, for anything to happen.
“spontaneously arising from nothing” means that nothing arose.
See St Thomas Aquinas.


4 posted on 03/05/2015 8:25:30 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Janet Yellen creates billions out of nothing every month.


5 posted on 03/05/2015 8:26:01 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: SeekAndFind

How do you even define “nothing” without it becoming something?


6 posted on 03/05/2015 8:29:47 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

An object at rest stays at rest, an object in motion stays in motion.

How did the universe come to exist without any outside influence?


7 posted on 03/05/2015 8:30:00 AM PST by seawolf101
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To: Dr. Thorne
"Yesterday, a million dollars spontaneously created itself in my bank account."


8 posted on 03/05/2015 8:32:07 AM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: SeekAndFind
All matter exists in an area the size of a single atom - check. (where the matter originated to be discussed later)

The particle remained in this state for an undetermined period of time - check

Then nothing changed and nothing happened, which impelled the particle to explode in a fraction of an instant - check

The exploding particle simultaneously created the infinity of space, all celestial bodies, all background energy and time itself - check

Well okay then.

Question - Doesn't the scientific method require a theory to be testable and the tests to be repeatable?

9 posted on 03/05/2015 8:33:09 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: SeekAndFind

It turns out that the Evolutionists (inanimate and biological ones) have for “their god” ... some processes that they invent out of their own heads and say that “this is how it happened”.

On the other hand, those of us who are Creationists and believe in the Word of God as inerrant and infallible, know that the moving force in creation and all life in the Universe is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those on the other side have “great difficulty” believing either that there could even be a “God” or that He could simply speak creation into existence out of nothing prior to that, including all life.

They seem to have no problem believing their own INVENTED and OUTLANDISH processes as correct ... LOL ... they just CANNOT believe in God, because that carries along with it, other UNACCEPTABLE THINGS that they want nothing to do with ... so they come up with these INVENTED PROCESSES that make no further demands on them!


10 posted on 03/05/2015 8:35:39 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SeekAndFind
From arxiv.org:

Title: Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

Authors: Dongshan He, Dongfeng Gao, Qing-yu Cai
(Submitted on 4 Apr 2014)
Abstract: An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing, but no rigorous proof has been given. In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE). Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum [my ephasis], it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open. The exponential expansion will end when the bubble becomes large and thus the early universe appears. With the de Broglie-Bohm quantum trajectory theory, we show explicitly that it is the quantum potential that plays the role of the cosmological constant and provides the power for the exponential expansion of the true vacuum bubble. So it is clear that the birth of the early universe completely depends on the quantum nature of the theory.

So you need a a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations. I'm not a quantum physicists, and it has been awhile since I took intro QM, but don't you need to have matter/energy to have quantum fluctuations?

11 posted on 03/05/2015 8:37:06 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: SeekAndFind
Intelligent design would seem to be the basis of scientific discovery of the makeup of all matter.


12 posted on 03/05/2015 8:40:17 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Of course, we know that this is NO SCIENTIFIC PROCESS, but a lot of assumptions, built on top of current-day science that we do know about. We can test many things today, but going into the past for non-repeatable events, requires assumptions that STRAIN CREDULITY in and of itself, much less the bigger and overall processes that these people say result from these INCREDULOUS ASSUMPTIONS they make!

AT LEAST we have the inerrant and infallible “Word of God” from the “very being” ... who WAS THERE at the time and who has described it “first-hand” so that we could know what would be TOTALLY UNKNOWABLE outside of that revelation to us!


13 posted on 03/05/2015 8:40:18 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SeekAndFind; Robert A. Cook, PE
Robert A. Cook, PE has a very interesting note on his profile page - scroll down to " Consider the big bang" theory
14 posted on 03/05/2015 8:40:50 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Tactical Firearms,Katy Tx: "the two enemies of guns, rust and politicians")
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To: Kozak

No, the two concepts are clearly delineated in the article.


15 posted on 03/05/2015 8:42:18 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Kozak
You are confusing Biology ( Evolution) with Physics.

Many people confuse evolution with adaptation. Basically, there are a lot of confused people out there.

16 posted on 03/05/2015 8:43:18 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

“Doesn’t the scientific method require a theory to be testable and the tests to be repeatable?”

Sure, but scientists have shown themselves all too willing to dispense with the scientific method and plod ahead anyway.


17 posted on 03/05/2015 8:44:40 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: circlecity

“We” who oppose these ridiculous theories, invented out of nothing (i.e., the evolution of life and of creation itself) ... do have an issue which is similar.

God is the self-existent being who created everything and he is outside of time and matter, thereby not having been part of the creation of all things that we know now and having always been in existence - self-existant!

Now, that “just by itself” would be as much of a problem as these ridiculous theories that the other side invents — EXCEPT FOR — the fact that this self-existent God, actually came down to earth and condescended to becoming a human being, in order that he could show to mankind who this self-existent and all-powerful God is. Jesus came to not only provide SALVATION to the world, but also to show everyone WHO this self-existent being is, who has resided outside of his creation and has done so forever in the past, with no beginning and no end.

AT LEAST we have someone who can “talk to us” about it and “explain it to us” and having come in the form of a human being with power that no human being could have, in order to prove to the world, who he is. As he said, those who have seen him have seen the forever-existent and all-powerful God of the Universe.


18 posted on 03/05/2015 8:49:41 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: kosciusko51
So you need a a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations. I'm not a quantum physicists, and it has been awhile since I took intro QM, but don't you need to have matter/energy to have quantum fluctuations?

You at least need a quantum field to have a quantum fluctuation and a quantum field is not nothing.

19 posted on 03/05/2015 8:52:38 AM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Boogieman; Sgt_Schultze

The problem here is not ONLY with the attitude of these scientists ... BUT ... the problem ALSO lies in the fact that one CANNOT subject a one-time historical event to “science”.

You can subject it to “scientific speculation” ... but speculation is all it is and not science. And then, whith such a historical event, there are always a lot of ASSUMPTIONS that these scientists make. They form assumptions in such a way as to support their primary thesis, which then goes on to build a “house of cards” built on nothing but pure speculation!

SO ... the point here is that it DOES REQUIRE some OBSERVATION in order to have some minimal understanding of what happened. Without some “observation” at the time it happened, you’re TOTALLY at the mercy of whatever the human mind can invent, no matter how much you attach the “word” science to it.

It’s the VERY NATURE of the thing — a historical event — that does not lend itself to “science”!

BUT ... if you take a certain amount of OBSERVATION and then attach some scientific processes to it, you stand a better chance of arriving at the truth. The KEY here is that you must have some degree of OBSERVATION to take off from!

The Bible does provide that minimal degree of observation, although it’s not broken down into minute measurements and minute details. It provides enough detail to get an “overall picture” of the event. From that, some attached “science” can do well.


20 posted on 03/05/2015 8:56:49 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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