Liberal talker Thom Hartmann wonders: Should 'Union' forces reoccupy the South?

The Examiner ^ | July 12, 2015 | Joe Newby, Spokane Conservative

[2ndDivisionVet]

Liberal talker Thom Hartmann wonders if "Union" forces should re-occupy the old Confederacy.

It seems that for some on the left, the Civil War never really ended. Citing a Politico story slamming southern states, liberal talk show host Thom Hartmann wondered if the United States should "reoccupy the South with Union forces" to restart Reconstruction, Newsbusters reported Saturday.

"Now listen to this in the context of my question -- should we, a) reoccupy the South with Union forces and restart Reconstruction which came to a screeching halt in 187- whatever it was, '74 I think, the election of Rutherford B. Hayes," he said. "He needed one vote in the House of Representatives to win, it was one of those contested elections that went to the House, and the deal he made with the Southern legislators was that if he became president he would pull the Union troops out of the South and basically end Reconstruction."

His other choice was to "just" let Southern states secede from the Union. "Let the Confederate states say you can fly that flag, you can have your own country," he said.

"Just a hunch, but if a person was also inclined to crunch crime stats and unflattering demographics from major cities run by Democrats and compare them to the nation as a whole, the cities would undoubtedly 'skew' America," Newsbusters' Jack Coleman said....

[zeestephen]

Re: “Don’t forget Vermont.”

It’s still in “New England,” I hope.

Or has Bernie applied to be part of Putin’s “New Soviet Union?”

[dsc]

“Respectfully, no one will win if there is another Civil War.”

So, we should let the forces of evil retire the constitution, while we just get on the boxcars peaceably?

[tanknetter]

But wait...its Hartmann’s beloved Democrats which ended Reconstruction...He needs to send the military to arrest Democrats since that party created the kkk, put confederate emblems up to reject its defeat and embraced jim crow.

No, he needs to go HIMSELF.

Just for once I'd love to see someone get in their faces and challenge guys like Hartmann over whether they'd man up, strap on the tactical kit and actually participate as a foot-soldier in the kind of "occupation" they're proposing.

I bet Hartmann would pee himself in fear over the very thought of such an idea.

Correction, I KNOW he would:

[rikkir]

I thought that the econazis had ruined much of San Joaquin valley production in order to divert water to the mud smelt.

Last time I was there was 2004, so I don’t know what damage has been done.

The worst of their drought just kicked in the last couple of years, but I would say expect higher produce prices this winter.

[rikkir]

Please keep reading. A few posts further from your post to me. You’ll see what I was talking about.

[Texicanus]

So, we should let the forces of evil retire the constitution, while we just get on the boxcars peaceably?

No I did not mean to imply that.

I do not think the forces of evil and tyranny will prevail over the long term. In the short term, we must realize these forces want to divide us and provoke us to make bad decisions that would support their cause.

Regardless of whatever happens in the next few months, we should be prepared and able to respond. Low information people will fight for their place on the boxcars. The rest of us will fight to keep off the boxcars by any means.

Some think a Civil War may be the only thing that will preserve our Constitution. Others think Secession is an alternative. But even if nothing happens, we must be prepared for it.

If the Jews had not surrendered their guns, there would have been no boxcars for them to get on. Now that was a bad decision.

[dsc]

Keep your powder dry, but do not go off half-cocked. Always good advice.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

We can do it easily as they raise and grow very little of their own food.

What the hell do they teach you down there? lol

[rikkir]

Did you read my post about transportation?

I am 51 years old, and was in the transportation industry for 20 years. I have also traveled to all 48 states, and Canada, and Mexico. Ten years ago I could tell you what almost every interstate exit in the lower 48 had for businesses around it. I have an Associates Degree, but most of my knowledge is self taught.
There is far, far more food shipped into the NE than is shipped out. Most grocery warehouses keep 3-4 days inventory on hand. How long would it take for those cities to burn once grocery store shelves were empty? DC would burn as well.
A smart military campaign could starve the big cities of the NE and Chicago in a couple of weeks. There are choke points that could be used to cut 80% of all ground transportation to the NE.
There are plenty of rural folks who, like us would be fine, but there is not enough food grown and raised in that region to feed those cities.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Did you read my post about transportation? I am 51 years old, and was in the transportation industry for 20 years. I have also traveled to all 48 states, and Canada, and Mexico. Ten years ago I could tell you what almost every interstate exit in the lower 48 had for businesses around it. I have an Associates Degree, but most of my knowledge is self taught. There is far, far more food shipped into the NE than is shipped out. Most grocery warehouses keep 3-4 days inventory on hand. How long would it take for those cities to burn once grocery store shelves were empty? DC would burn as well. A smart military campaign could starve the big cities of the NE and Chicago in a couple of weeks. There are choke points that could be used to cut 80% of all ground transportation to the NE. There are plenty of rural folks who, like us would be fine, but there is not enough food grown and raised in that region to feed those cities.

Are you not aware of the corn belt of Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio? The dairy farms famous in Wisconsin, but all over the north? Fruit orchards in every state? Fishing along the east coast? The Great Lakes?

Just because food is shipped all over the country doesn't mean a particular region has to have it to survive.

[rikkir]

Are you not aware of the corn belt of Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio? The dairy farms famous in Wisconsin, but all over the north? Fruit orchards in every state? Fishing along the east coast? The Great Lakes?

How much of that corn is used for human consumption, Dairy serves mostly local communities, Commercial fishing has been all but killed on the east coast, and everywhere else around America by the eco nazis. You think there’s enough in all these places to feed 15-20 million people in two weeks? What about the people who don’t live in these cities, are they going to willingly give up local food for the big cities?

Go ahead, don’t believe me, but I guarantee you there have been studies on how small a hiccup it would take for people in these cities to begin killing each other for food.
It’s every bit as real a danger as a hit to the electric grid.

Ignore it at your own peril. Because they would venture out and start looking for food anywhere, and taking it by any means.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

How much of that corn is used for human consumption, Dairy serves mostly local communities, Commercial fishing has been all but killed on the east coast, and everywhere else around America by the eco nazis. You think there’s enough in all these places to feed 15-20 million people in two weeks? What about the people who don’t live in these cities, are they going to willingly give up local food for the big cities?

So while people are starving resources won't be redirected?

Go ahead, don’t believe me, but I guarantee you there have been studies on how small a hiccup it would take for people in these cities to begin killing each other for food. It’s every bit as real a danger as a hit to the electric grid.

I agree that city people are constantly in danger. But you said you could defeat the north by blocking trucking. There's a lot more to the north than urban dwellers. We grow plenty of our own food to defeat you again.

Ignore it at your own peril. Because they would venture out and start looking for food anywhere, and taking it by any means.

You think gang-bangers can go up against deer hunters? No they can't. How far did they get into the country after Katrina? Not even over the bridge. Remember?

[rikkir]

You are making my argument.

What’s FedGov gonna do while those cities are burning? Including DC.

The rural folks, Deer Hunters etc hate FedGov as much as we do. Do you see them actually helping them recover?

I mentioned the Civil War because another poster brought it up first, but CWII will not be between North and South.

Regardless, choking those cities would be the key to winning.

I still say though the North doesn’t grow enough to support it’s whole population.
It’s nobody’s fault, no one is saying they’re lazy, or anything else, it has more to do with population dispersal, and seasonal issues.
Ask anyone in Transportation, the NE US is a giant black hole. We send thousands of loads in, and you can’t get a load of anything out of there.
The rest of the US, not so much. I’ve seen a driver haul a load of food (generic) to a city, go two streets over pick up the same type of food and deliver back to the part of the country he just came from. I’ve seen stuff like that countless times. I have also read and studied transportation patterns (logistics) in this country, and they support my hypothesis, at least they did as of 2004.

Il, IN, OH, and MI are Midwestern states, and don’t fit the hypothesis. The only reason I included them was for geographical reasons. The choke points would actually isolate those four states all but preventing them from helping the NE at all.Also because Chicago, and Detroit are two cities that would also need to be cut off to force FedGov to their knees.

I think you are taking what I said as an attack on Northern US citizens, and I’m not.
The point I was trying to make with the other poster was if that war from 1861 was fought today, it would end very differently. In 1861 the NE US had the greatest concentration of wealth and goods. The South was barely able to feed itself.
Not so today.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

You are making my argument. What’s FedGov gonna do while those cities are burning? Including DC. The rural folks, Deer Hunters etc hate FedGov as much as we do. Do you see them actually helping them recover?

Why would a rural person object to their corn being ground into corn meal rather than going for ethanol?

I mentioned the Civil War because another poster brought it up first, but CWII will not be between North and South. Regardless, choking those cities would be the key to winning.

No red-blooded American is going to choke any city. You've got deep-seated problems if you want to starve 10 million Americans at a time.

I still say though the North doesn’t grow enough to support it’s whole population.

Oh my, you are thick.

It’s nobody’s fault, no one is saying they’re lazy, or anything else, it has more to do with population dispersal, and seasonal issues. Ask anyone in Transportation, the NE US is a giant black hole. We send thousands of loads in, and you can’t get a load of anything out of there.

So no corn product ever leaves the midwest?

The rest of the US, not so much. I’ve seen a driver haul a load of food (generic) to a city, go two streets over pick up the same type of food and deliver back to the part of the country he just came from. I’ve seen stuff like that countless times. I have also read and studied transportation patterns (logistics) in this country, and they support my hypothesis, at least they did as of 2004. Il, IN, OH, and MI are Midwestern states, and don’t fit the hypothesis. The only reason I included them was for geographical reasons. The choke points would actually isolate those four states all but preventing them from helping the NE at all.Also because Chicago, and Detroit are two cities that would also need to be cut off to force FedGov to their knees. I think you are taking what I said as an attack on Northern US citizens, and I’m not. The point I was trying to make with the other poster was if that war from 1861 was fought today, it would end very differently.

Ha! They thought the same way in 1861. It's amazing to me you southerners are so prideful you can't recognize reality. You get beat in a war to end all wars, and you still think you can win.

In 1861 the NE US had the greatest concentration of wealth and goods. The South was barely able to feed itself. Not so today.

Yet all the southerners here say it was the south that was the economic engine of America, that everyone was stealing off them. BS then, BS now. Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, are still powerhouses. Once we got rid of the pro-Confederate generals and put Grant and Sherman in charge the war quickly turned. You think you can run roughshod through the north today? Here in the sticks we're just as conservative or moreso than any southern county, and you won't get any farther than a gangbanger trying their BS here rather than in their "gun-free" zones.

[rikkir]

Ok, you know what? I’m done with this.

Either you’re purposely not reading my posts, or your so angry that you are contradicting yourself, but for whatever reason having an intellectual discussion is not possible.

I have presented the case to you based on facts from a career that lasted 20 years. I am sorry that they are facts but they are.

Just the fact that you think I want to kill 10 million people shows you are not understanding me at all.

I was presenting hypothetical situations.

In the first paragraph I stopped talking about a war with the north, and was speaking about taking down the Federal Government, and I have no plans to do that either.

Please, take a blood pressure pill and go back and re-read my last post. There’s nothing in there to make you so angry.

I got no problem with people from the north. Some of he nicest people I’ve met are from New England. A manager of an 84 Lumber let me stay at his house one weekend because there are no truckstops to speak of after you go east of PA, and north of NJ. There are a few, but they fill quickly because trucks can’t get loads out of there.
I spent a summer on an Island in the St Lawrence. Drunkest I’ve ever been was in Clayton NY.

I made a half tongue in cheek response to a poster about the civil war a week ago. It’s not worth all this.

Have a great life.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Ok, you know what? I’m done with this. Either you’re purposely not reading my posts, or your so angry that you are contradicting yourself, but for whatever reason having an intellectual discussion is not possible.

It's outrageous to think one third of the country is so helpless and stupid that blocking a few interstates could win a war through starvation. Come on now. Indiana and Illinois have the best farmland in America.

I have presented the case to you based on facts from a career that lasted 20 years. I am sorry that they are facts but they are.

You base that on the fact that we don't grow our own oranges I guess. Have you noticed that all these small towns have their huge silos right next to railroad tracks. It's not just trucking.

Just the fact that you think I want to kill 10 million people shows you are not understanding me at all.

10 million Americans at a time! To even contemplate it on a public forum shows deep-seated problems, I think.

I was presenting hypothetical situations. In the first paragraph I stopped talking about a war with the north, and was speaking about taking down the Federal Government, and I have no plans to do that either.

Well, obviously urban dwellers are always more vulnerable, but do you think the feds that are destroying America care about them starving? They are trying to give Iran nuclear capability, Iran will kill urban dwellers with it. These people believe in population reduction, they would love it. It won't win any war with the feds.

Please, take a blood pressure pill and go back and re-read my last post. There’s nothing in there to make you so angry.

Again it's silly to think you could win a war by starving the north. We still have the capability we had 150 years ago, maybe moreso.

I got no problem with people from the north. Some of he nicest people I’ve met are from New England. A manager of an 84 Lumber let me stay at his house one weekend because there are no truckstops to speak of after you go east of PA, and north of NJ. There are a few, but they fill quickly because trucks can’t get loads out of there. I spent a summer on an Island in the St Lawrence. Drunkest I’ve ever been was in Clayton NY.

I know we're all angry about the feds and their urban supporters, but a lot of freepers keeping saying it's a north vs south problem. If you had the capability of omnipresently knowing my posting history you would see a lot of cases where I argue that the problem is urban vs rural. We are just as conservative in the sticks here as any southern county. Southern freepers keep directing their anger at the wrong people. It's the dudes like the guy that at the top of this article that are the problem, not northern deer hunters, factory workers, etc. You let a stupid comment by him get you all bent out of shape to attack the very people that despise guys like him as much as you do.

I made a half tongue in cheek response to a poster about the civil war a week ago. It’s not worth all this. Have a great life.

Well, when someone says my neighbors and I are too dumb to feed ourselves there's going to be a response.