Someone Please Explain How SO Many People Would Take Carson Over CRUZ? I Don't Get That At All-

Reaganite Republican ^ | 21 October 2015 | Reaganite Republican

[Reaganite Republican]

I like Dr Ben Carson. I respect Ben Carson. I admire what he made of himself and how he's seemed to have lived his life. I agree with almost everything that comes out of his mouth. But what can this man possibly offer as a leader that we wouldn't simply get more-and-better of from Ted Cruz?

Ben Carson is a good man, and it's difficult to 'attack' him on any specific major issue- he's said some dumb things about guns before, but generally there's not much daylight between our views. Alas, after enduring the utterly-unqualified Obama wreck the country, how is this über-outsider thing so attractive to so many that nothing else carries any weight with them but
'who spent the least time in DC'? 

And nobody who knows what they're talking about would ever consider Ted Cruz to be a 'DC political insider': it could be said it took a lot more balls for Cruz to stand on that Senate floor and confront McConnell head-on under the glaring lights, placing his entire political career on the line (while the GOPe sneered and the media trashed him) than to make comments on social media from some comfy office suite like Ben Carson and Donald Trump were doing at the time. Despite his glistening resume, Ted Cruz is surely NO
Washington DC establishment 'insider'- nothing of the sort.

And other than 'outsider', Dr Carson has no qualifications whatsoever to be president- how is that a good idea? Perhaps his medical expertise would have some use in replacing Obamacare, but that's nothing to be basing your entire choice-for-president on.

To be blunt, I've dealt with doctors business-wise in the past, and find them to be generally terrible managers. Years spent in medical school and what they do for a living -which is as much art as it is science- affects their way of thinking, prioritizing, and organizing things. And accomplished medical professionals are used to others following their orders, not dealing with difficult, recalcitrant people who disagree with them all the time- in fact, top surgeons are put on a pedestal and used to never hearing 'no'. As Trump is happy to point-out, Carson has zero experience in negotiating, either. In the end, financial and operational management are just a different mind set than your average brain surgeon... imho.

Do a lot of people like Carson because he's black? I'm sure that's part of it, maybe some still feel the need to 'prove' they're not 'racist'- seems ludicrous to me, but I'm sure that's out there in some quantity. 

If some imagine he would bring black votes to Republican ticket based on his skin color, most polls I've seen have Trump doing great with black voters... proving they don't need to be pandered to with the 'right' color of candidate, they want JOBS and a strong America (in large numbers).

Ted Cruz knows how Capitol Hill works -without having sold out to the establishment- and is impressively qualified for the job of president. He's displayed a far more substantial and relevant knowledge of foreign policy
-at a turbulent time internationally- than Dr Carson, has raised more money, and seems far better organized for a long-run presidential campaign. 

Ted Cruz is a God-fearing Christian, just like Dr Carson... yet a far more skilled and effective communicator. It's long been my view we need a guy or gal who can SELL the conservative message to a tired and confused electorate- somebody who can battle the MSM while simultaneously overcoming the 'progressive' propaganda/nonsense that's been
shoved down America's throat for years. 

A lot of what Reagan did wasn't popular at first, and the benefits of his investment-based tax cuts would take some time to fully bear fruit- but he was a superb communicator and salesman that kept everybody with the program- precisely what we need today.

Alas, Ben Carson seems to lack this ability, from what I can see-
his 'mellowness' is definitely not a positive when you need to hit the road
on a massive PR/sales offensive.

So where's the logic behind supporting Carson over Cruz? I'm not trying to be some kind of smart-ass, I just honestly don't see one single reason for it... would welcome any explanation from good-faith Carson supporters, there's apparently quite a few of you out there.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Carson was born in the US.

Cruz, like it or not, was born in Canada.

Not going to be a popular answer but it is a factor.

[Heart-Rest]

I think President Trump or President Cruz should appoint Dr. Carson to be the new Surgeon General.   He will then be tasked by the President with expanding the duties of that office, performing actual surgeries while in office.

The surgeries this brain surgeon should perform will all be either lobotomies or complete brain transplants on all Demonic-rat and GOPe-RINO senators, congressmen and congresswomen, the former president and vice-president, the Supreme Court justices who supported perverted-queer "marriage", the Supreme Court justices who supported Obamacare, the Clintons, all Muslims, all communists, most mainstream media nutbags, most Hollywood and other entertainment nutballs, etc., etc., etc., and so forth.

He will be a busy, busy man.

[GulliverSwift]

Yep. Cruz has to do what his paymasters tell him to do.

Still, he’d be better than Carson who is a total snoozefest who is unqualified.

[stars & stripes forever]

In my opinion, a person who is against border guards obeying the law in apprehending illegals, a person who is for giving citizenship to everyone who enters our nation illegally is naive.

10,000 illegals came into the United States from Mexico in September. How many of those were Muslim? How many were terrorists?

CARSON is not the man to be POTUS

[RinaseaofDs]

Wrong as hell. If what you were shoveling were true, why are the ones being laid off training their foreign replacements? I’ve had actual experience managing these elite minds. Most got their degrees from a Mumbai paper mill.

No more immigration for two years. We sort out the current mess and reevaluate. Until Cruz gets his mind right on this he remains sub 10 percent.

[stars & stripes forever]

[I know this is waste of words but my question still stands completely unanswered by your reply.]

FBI admits there’s no way to screen all the Syrian refugees the Obama administration plans to accept into the US FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday told Congress that the federal government cannot conduct thorough checks on all of the coming influx of 10,000 refugees from Syria.

[Finny]

Technically, Cruz is an insider. He ran for the Senate and won. That makes him part of Washington, like it or not. He hasn’t had any success thus far in his career to qualify him as a leader.

Your choice is perplexing. Technically, Trump is a businessman who until fairly recently (four or five years at best) donated money almost equally, favoring Democrats, to both parties, a "cost of doing business," as you say. Advancing leftist tyranny because he stood to gain financially from it.

Trump has had great success in business and in showmanship, please admit -- he used the media to craft a brassy brilliant billionaire popular image. "You're fired." He's a true patriot, he loves America as much as I do and is as passionate for what he thinks is its salvation, through a businessman's eyes.

How does that qualify him for a leader any more than Cruz's status in the Senate disqualify him as a leader? Business and government are very different things. I hate to think of American government as being like a business because that makes it my boss and me its employee. Business leaders belong in business.

Political thinkers belong in politics, and voters have to choose good leaders. Voting should only be encouraged among those willing to take extra trouble to do it. Instead, it is doled out with drivers licenses and absentee voting is becoming a norm. It's a big national popularity contest, Coke vs. Pepsi forms of government.

At bottom, everything I hear from Trump says "better lives through better government." His history has said it and his words say it.

At bottom, everything I hear from Cruz says, "better lives through less government."

Freer lives, more liberty, more prosperity, through less government.

Confusing business leadership and salesmanship with a right political compass is ... a mistake.

[Finny]

If what you were shoveling were true, why are the ones being laid off training their foreign replacements?

The "why" of that is glaringly obvious.

It's because it's too expensive for the company to keep the ones being laid off. Keeping them is making the companies unable to compete and benefit their stockholders.

Find out why it's financially advantageous for the company to do this, and you'll find the truth. Ten to one it's because government regulations have made it so.

Architects are training their foreign replacements? Mathematicians, scientists, engineers, and medical professionals are training their H1B visa replacements? How far does "theoretical or technical" expertise reach?

[bramps]

For crying out loud, what does your last post have to do with Carson? Please link a direct quote where he welcomes these terrorists disguised as refugees.

[RinaseaofDs]

And, to be clear, you support this policy?

[stars & stripes forever]

[Please link a direct quote where he welcomes these terrorists disguised as refugees.]

CARSON never made a direct quote, but his position on immigration shows that he has a blind eye to the danger that is going on right now on our border. He is not POTUS material.

I never said he made a quote, just making a point.

[jaydee770]

“...Someone Please Explain How SO Many People Would Take Carson Over CRUZ? I Don’t Get That At All...”

Because, no matter how much you may like traditional conservatism and feel it is the logical, obvious path to righting our listing ship of state — the majority of the GOP and all of the remaining political factions to the left of the GOP and well over half the voters in the nation do not agree.

Simply put, opinions vary. I can’t explain the *why*, but Boehner, McConnell, Lindsey and assorted RINO’s keep getting re-elected — EASILY — by a lot of folks in their states. It boggles my mind that it happens, but there it is.

Bottom line: Conservatives need to do far, Far, FAR more to proselytize conservatism than posting on a web site in one isolated corner of the internet. The effort will likely span multiple generations.

That’s what I think about it.

[SumProVita]

You see clearly! I firmly believe that even though we are already experiencing the consequences of our choices (as a nation) to ignore God, His ways, and thus, His PROTECTION...that before the end of this year and certainly in the next two years, we are going to be thoroughly awakened to what those choices have wrought. The USA (and the world) are in for some very difficult times, but they will also be the opportunity for evangelization like never before. Let us pray, seek our own individual holiness and work for the salvation of the souls of all of God’s creation. :-)

[American Faith Today]

I don’t know about putting a date on it, but I do agree the time is short. As a matter of fact, not to dispute what I myself just said, but sometimes I look at things and am somewhat amazed we haven’t reached the point of God’s judgment yet. It’s good for us that He is so patient, but even His patience surely has its limits.

I’ve been reading in Deuteronomy, recently did some commentary on Deuteronomy 28, and right now am reading Deuteronomy 32- the song of Moses. What jumps out is just how direct God is that He would hide His face from His people and allow a “foolish nation” to take control of them.

We can’t continue on this path and if we do (and I’m afraid we will)then indeed it will be the end of America-at least as we know it.

BUT, I will agree with you that this is the time that we study, that we prepare, that we seek His ways and His will rather than yours, and that we encourage as many as who will listen to do the same. Individuals can be protected and blessed even if everyone around them is falling away to sin.

[apocalypto]

I sure don’t understand it either. Where do Dr. Carson’s numbers come from? I haven’t seen any huge crowds. And isn’t he taking a couple of weeks off for his book tour?

[DoughtyOne]

Budget, Spending & Debt
Civil Liberties
Education
Energy & Environment
Foreign Policy & Defense
Free Market
Health Care & Entitlements
Immigration
Moral Issues
Second Amendment
Taxes, Economy & Trade

Budget: Cruz has made massive financial deals, has put tens of thosuands of people to work, has run a billion dollar business, and protected a bottom line.  Next flight of fantasy...
Civil Liberties: Trump has said he'll round up and deport illegal immigrants, build a wall that is 60 feet tall along our border.  This results in his red marker on civil liberties.  No sale.
Free Market: The "FREE MARKET"...  Nothing in life is free.  The cost of this "FREE MARKET" has been tens of millions of U. S. jobs.  Trump wants to bring them back.  That warrants a red marker.  LOL
Health Care and Entitlements: Trump has proposed a private sector replacement of Obamacare.  He wants to reduce entitlements as part of getting the budget under control.  This red marker is simply proposterous.
Moral issues:  What moral issues?  Good grief.  Name one moral issue Trump has a problem with.
Second Amendment:  This is simply a fraud.  Trump has a paper on Second Amendment rights, and it's recognized as a good one.
Taxes, Economy, and Trade:  Trump's tax position is good.  His economic experience is second to very few U. S. Citizens.  His trade view are more solid than any other candidate's.

In Cruz's favor, his free market mark isn't deserved either.

Trump is the go to guy because of his economic experience.  He is solid on other issues as well, but second to illegal immigration, our national debt and related matters are vitally important and need to be addressed.  Trump is the only candidate with the experience necessary to do that.

Cruz supporters are pleased to drop this bomb on the forum.

It isn't an accurate display on Trump.  As such it's actually a smear on Cruz when his supporters tout it as a reason to support Cruz.  What they should be doing is pointing out the obvious flaws in this ranking.  And RANK is the proper word here....

[100American]

In my journeys I came across this Video with Carson and Lil Bammy Cakes in front of an audience at Johns Hopkins Univ.

Really found it interesting, his deliver and communication style here is not off putting and really informative...

Look forward to your insights as always...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHxJK_xSpcg