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9 Observations and Outcomes From the Wisconsin Waterloo
conservativereview.com ^ | April 06, 2016 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 04/06/2016 7:01:32 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: rwoodward

Trump will, at a minimum, reach the convention with 1200 (still might get 1237), Cruz a couple of hundred behind. I doubt very much that the party has ever failed to nominate a candidate with that many delegates going in. If they decide to make this time the first, they will be making a huge mistake. Much better for the long term health of the GOP to nominate Trump in that situation rather than be seen forever by half the party as stealing the election.

Imagine how you would have felt if Gore had won with his phony “hanging
chad” nonsense. Well, that is exactly how the majority of party voters will feel after Cleveland should Rove and the rest succeed in depriving the clear and undisputed frontrunner of the nomination. If you think people are angry now, just wait.


21 posted on 04/06/2016 7:17:35 AM PDT by The Continental Op
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To: kjam22

Sorry, Cruz is eliminated from 1237 on 4/26, if you don’t understand that you need some brushing up on 3rd grade mathematics.

I know, I know... a contested convention or bust... the last prayer for the Cruz backer.


22 posted on 04/06/2016 7:19:00 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Yes Cruz is mathematically eliminated on 4/26, on that date there are not enough delegates left that even if he got all of them he can’t reach 1237.

No.. he is not mathematically eliminated. Eliminated means out of the race, that he can't get 1,237. That simply isn't true based on the system. Does it mean he will need a contested convention... well yeah. But he is NOT mathematically eliminated.

23 posted on 04/06/2016 7:19:35 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: HamiltonJay

SO if Cruz ends up with 1,237 at the convention.... how do you reconcile that with your statement that he was mathematically eliminated? Goofball....


24 posted on 04/06/2016 7:20:40 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: kjam22
-- Nobody is mathematically eliminated until someone gets 1,237 delegates. --

Showing the importance of definitions. By this definition, kasich, Rubio, Carson, and Bush are not mathematically eliminated either.

Technically, using this definition, nobody can be mathematically eliminated until the convention selects a slate. Just saying, the primary races can;t produce mathematical elimination, because the convention is the decider.

25 posted on 04/06/2016 7:20:52 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Yep... words have meaning... unless Trumpy is saying them.


26 posted on 04/06/2016 7:22:36 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: HamiltonJay

Well I guess you miss the Quinn. polling out of Pennsylvania this morning show Trump at 39% and Cruz now surging to 30 %. Of course many of this state’s delayed are not bound.


27 posted on 04/06/2016 7:25:35 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Berlin_Freeper

How happy will Cruz supporters be when Hitlery gets elected? When they find out sCruz was nothing more than a stooge for the GOPe?


28 posted on 04/06/2016 7:26:15 AM PDT by dware (Contested convention = final nail in the GOP coffin)
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To: kjam22

Eliminate -

Remove from consideration.

On 4/26 Cruz is eliminated from reaching 1237 delegates via the primaries folks, you can try to argue your semantics all you like, those are the facts.

There is no consideration after 4/26 that gets Cruz to 1237 via the primary process... he’s eliminated.

Now, can he get there via some other method? Sure, you can play the contested convention game, but he is eliminated from reaching 1237 delegates through the primaries.

Anyone could in theory get 1237 in a contested election, even someone who’s not on the ballot, so if that makes you feel better, feel free, but it does not make my statement incorrect.


29 posted on 04/06/2016 7:26:48 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Berlin_Freeper

As long as the Republican Party exists as a corporate entity, they will not, under any circumstances, nominate Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz called Mitch McConnell a liar on the floor of the Senate. The way things work on the third planet from the Sun, that makes a Cruz nomination impossible.


30 posted on 04/06/2016 7:27:01 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Durbin
Cruz spent the first part of his campaign staying somewhat quiet and building his ground game.

Not quite. He spent the first half drafting off Trump so Trump could do all the dirty work. The current Cruz is nothing like the Cruz when he announced.

31 posted on 04/06/2016 7:27:34 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: VanDeKoik
This is the same crap technique Democrats use.

It's spin. It's what all campaigns do.

That includes the Trump campaign and it's FR supporters.

32 posted on 04/06/2016 7:28:08 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Wondering...)
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To: HamiltonJay

The primary process does not necessarily determine the candidate. The delegate vote is the determining factor. He cannot be eliminated until he cannot get 1,237 delegates. Goofball....


33 posted on 04/06/2016 7:28:49 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: SMM48

So you are saying he didn’t prematurely go after the frontrunner? Seeing as to what happened to the rest of the candidates that tried that, he was smart. And there’s no denying his ground game across the country has been impeccable.


34 posted on 04/06/2016 7:30:26 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: kjam22
"Does it mean he will need a contested convention . . . well yeah"

IOW, all he has to do is screw the those who voted in the primaries.

35 posted on 04/06/2016 7:32:01 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: rwoodward

... Wisconsin is the last Bible waving state. He is toast from here on out.
It is not a bible waving state, less than 40%, and what if it were? Did you read that Cruz won 22% more of the actual republican vote than Trump? And they basically tied among independents?


36 posted on 04/06/2016 7:32:59 AM PDT by libbylu (Cruz: The truth with a smile.)
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To: HamiltonJay
Now, can he get there via some other method? Sure, you can play the contested convention game, but he is eliminated from reaching 1237 delegates through the primaries.

See.... that's how Trumpy thinks. That's why he'll never win a contested convention.. in my humble opinion.

37 posted on 04/06/2016 7:33:00 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: Rashputin

It’s called a runoff.... it is the way many elections work in this country. Every republican nominee since Lincoln has had a majority of Delegates. Trumpy isn’t special... he’ll have to get the majority too.


38 posted on 04/06/2016 7:34:12 AM PDT by kjam22 (America need forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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To: kjam22
-- Yep... words have meaning. --

Yes. The world generally views us through the words we use.

FWIW, the definition of "mathematically eliminated" that we were discussing is unconventional. Most people use that shorthand to describe whether or not it is possible for a candidate to obtain 1237 delegates in advance of the convention. Using the conventional definition, Kasich, Rubio, Carson, et al are mathematically eliminated. The only two candidates who have not been mathematically eliminated are Cruz and Trump.

39 posted on 04/06/2016 7:35:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rwoodward
Wisconsin is the last Bible waving state. He is toast from here on out.

Problem with "Bible waving states" is that their guy sides with a false prophet.

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40 posted on 04/06/2016 7:36:12 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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