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WI: Record Rat Hunt in Wisconsin in 1957
Gun Watch ^ | 14 May, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/27/2016 10:38:56 AM PDT by marktwain


Image of rattus norvegicus from youtube


A close friend and mentor revealed details of a world record rat hunt that he accomplished in 1957.  It was casually mentioned, but as I showed interest, the details were clear and extraordinary.  In the 1950's, dumps were unregulated in Wisconsin.  It wasn't until the 1970's that sanitary regulations and increased affluence led to the end of dumps as breeding grounds for rats and other vermin.  Hunting rats at dumps was a common pastime.  I shot rats at dumps into the early 1970's. It helped keep the rat population down and increased hunting and shooting skills.  My friend, as with many young men of the period, was an avid rat hunter.

My friend approached rat hunting with his usual rigor and intellect, determining how to obtain maximum returns for his effort.  This lead to hunting rats at night with a headlight powered by a six volt Ray O Vac battery.

It was on the return from a night hunt with two hunting partners that he discovered the dump that was a rat hunter's Mecca.  It wasn't far from his base of operations in Madison, Wisconsin.

On the way back from a more distant dump, he was a passenger in one of his partners beat up older car.  This was in 1955. I expect the car was pre World War II.  He could see through cracks in the floorboards.  As the car approached the junction of Highways 12 and 78 on the East side of the Wisconsin River, he saw flames flickering under his feet.  It was about 1 am.  He notified the driver that they were on fire; the driver expeditiously pulled over into a service station.  The fire was at the cars fuel pump.  They used sand and gravel to put it out.  Then the car refused to start.

As they waited for rescue from Madison, about 15 miles away, they chatted with the gas station attendant.  The attendant asked what they were up to at that time of night.  When he heard that they had been hunting rats, he mentioned that he also hunted rats at a dump only a mile to the South.  He had shot 10 or 12 in an afternoon.

10 or 12 rats in broad daylight translates to hundreds after dark.

The dump was an unregulated affair on a few acres of low ground at the edge of the Wisconsin river floodplain.  The debris was only 8-10 feet high, as high as people could easily unload it.  Restaurants in the area routinely dumped spoiled and outdated food there.  It was a wonderful breeding place for Rattus Norvegicus.  The hunting partners hunted the dump a few times, bagging nearly a hundred rats each.  Dane County deputies would stop by and use their .38 revolvers and shotguns to shoot a few rats in the evening.  They said hello, but never questioned or detained my friend.  There were no nearby houses.

My friend described the site location. It was between highway 78 and the railroad tracks.  A farm crossing allowed access to low-lying fields in the river bottom on the other side of the tracks.  The Boy Scouts had purchased a property a half mile away on higher ground.  My friend's uncle had built a small, bare bones structure there.

In the spring of 1957, the medical students that had been my friends hunting partners had graduated or transferred.  He was the only rat hunter left of the original group. He had also purchased his first car, new, for cash.

Experience had taught him that the best hunting nights were the first warm nights in April. It was likely April 19th, or 20th. Those days were the warmest in April in 1957.  The rats had been breeding all winter, virtually unmolested.  The new population would not be used to being hunted. 

On a warm April night in 1957, he arrived at the dump with his Savage model 29 pump rifle with a 24 inch barrel, a High Standard semi-automatic target pistol, and a quart jar of .22 Remington standard velocity .22 long rifle ammunition.  He said that a Mason quart jar of .22 long rifles was 850 rounds of ammunition.  After sunset, he started hunting rats.  The sun went down about 6:45.  It was dark enough for hunting by 7 pm.


Rat hunt Savage 29.  Tree is Hickory.  Over 100 squirrels have been shot out of it.

He loaded the Savage to capacity.  That meant filling the magazine tube to the top with long rifle cartridges; 20 rounds.  He did this by touch in the dark. The inner tube, follower and spring could not lock with that many in place, so spring tension was maintained by friction.  After four or five shots were fired, the inner tube could be inserted the remaining 4 or 5 inches and locked.  The pistol was used for close shots that presented themselves while he was reloading the rifle.  Nearly all shots were under 50 feet, and the rats  averaged about 1/4 to 1/2 pound.

The High Standard target pistol is the only personal firearm that he has traded or sold. His replacement was the High Standard "space gun" Supermatic  Citation 102 that had been recently introduced.  He has an extensive collection.

My friend was an accomplished pistol and rifle shot at the age of 22.

The hunting procedure was as follows.  He would move 10-15 feet from the last position with his headlight off.  Then he would turn on the headlight.  Inexperienced rats would freeze in place when the light came on.  He would pick those off with the rifle.  When he could not see any more targets, he would move another 10 or 15 feet and repeat the procedure.  By the time he had made a circumnavigation of the five acre dump, the original position had resumed rat activity and was again available for shooting.  He used an olive jar to carry ammunition to reload his firearms.  It held about 100 rounds.

He continued this hunt until 3 a.m., eight hours of shooting.  He had shot 365 rats that he was able to recover.  That is an average of a rat every 80 seconds.  The quart jar was empty.  He had expended 850 rounds of ammunition. The light from the Ray O Vac was getting dim.


It was an extraordinary hunt in an extraordinary time at an extraordinary nexus of opportunity, location, and skill.  My friend, at age 82, has not shot any animals for years. The hunt took place just before his birthday in 1957. He has followed the hunters normal progression.  But rats, then and now, were vermin whose populations needed to be kept in check.  In 1957 he used a rifle and a pistol.  Now we use bulldozers.

The .22 ammunition has been in the jars for over 60 years.  He allowed me to crack the seal on a mason jar that had been filled before I entered first grade.  I anticipated an odor of acetone, as you often find in old smokeless powder.  I could not detect any, nor could my friend.  There was a faint hint of old wax, barely noticeable.

My friend gave me an even two dozen rounds to test to see if it had been degraded.  I shot the ammunition out of a Mossberg target rifle of similar age.  I fired the rounds at my brothers long established range behind the garage on family land in Northern Wisconsin.  Every round fired as though it were new.  I fired four five shot groups at 50 feet from a rest.  The first was the largest at .56 inches, center to center.  The rest were .32, .31 and .31 inches. Not enough to win matches, perhaps, but perfectly good for hunting. My brother fired the last four shots offhand.


Typical 50 foot group from the old Remington ammunition


The old dump has long been abandoned.  Almost nothing remains for the casual observer.  The five acre site is used to park semi-trailers.  On the edge of the site, overgrown with vegetation, a mound, a crumpled rusty commercial sign, a few broken bricks and tiles, show where the boundary of the dump was.  The remnants are near the old railroad track. Small trees and brush grow between the ties. The farm crossing is still there. The nearby Boy Scout property is still in use.  There is a marble marker commemorating its acquisition.

My friend is a bit obsessive/compulsive.  For years he tracked every penny earned and spent.  He is meticulous in his record keeping.  I firmly believe his 365 number.  He has been insistent that I not include his name or picture.  He values his privacy, and has gone to some lengths to maintain it.

Most rat hunting is done with dogs, commonly with varieties of terriers that catch and kill the rats.  The human hunters job is to help flush the rats from cover.  The record for that hunting supposedly occurred in England in the 1820's where a rat terrier killed an incredible 2,501 rats in seven hours in a barn infested with the vermin.  The dog was the renowned Billy, whose career was legendary.  I haven't found contemporary records of the 2,501 rat killing, but they may exist.  Most of his records are for killing 100 rats in a rat pit against the clock.  Billy's best was 100 rats in 5 1/2 minutes.

I have not seen any records for human hunters killing rats.  Numbers of rats were killed in the "Great Leap Forward" in China, that ended in ecological disaster and famine, with about 20-40 million Chinese dying of starvation.  In the process they killed a supposed 1.5 billion rats.  But given the Chinese predilection with group efforts, it seems unlikely that any records of individual hunts over a few hours exist.

©2016 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
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To: itsahoot; marktwain

I read an article about a rat catcher in India. It was about a simple invention to blow smoke down a hole to flush out the rats, and he got a microloan for it ($50).

He doubled his rat production. The big farmers paid a 25 cent bounty, plus he got to keep any rice stashed in their burrows. His family now had enough to eat for themselves AND with the extra his wife sells cooked rat on the street.

He said he will now have enough money to send his kids to school so they won’t have to be rat catchers. All because of a $50 contraption and loan.


21 posted on 05/27/2016 2:36:39 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: marktwain

Around here we have regulated landfills, which I assume is the law nationwide. We vacationed in Manitoba about 500 miles north of the border last year, and they still have dumps. The locals told us if we wanted to see bear, just go to their dump. We drove by it, and yes, just like we had as a kid, an open dump grounds with anything in it. Never covered, never burned, never anythinged. I could not believe it.

On a good note, the locals believe in gun rights similar to the way we do.


22 posted on 05/27/2016 2:48:41 PM PDT by redfreedom (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: marktwain

Interesting story. Never heard of this, but makes sense.


23 posted on 05/27/2016 2:53:34 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ping to for Wisconsin article


24 posted on 05/27/2016 3:04:28 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
PCP air rifles with night vision scopes are the ultimate way to hunt rats at night. PCP's are just damn deadly within 50 yds and quiet too.

Unfortunately they come with a price, over $1,000 for the rifle and up to another grand for all the necessary attachments such as the scope, the fill tanks, the valves,....etc.......

I wish I was still working so that I could save up to buy one...........

25 posted on 05/27/2016 3:07:50 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (#HillaryForPrison-2016)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I expect that they work extremely well.

But wouldn’t a suppressed .22 with standard velocity ammunition and a night vision scope do the same job?

PCP air rifles are gaining in popularity, but so are suppressors.

May they both prosper! Viva la differance!


26 posted on 05/27/2016 3:11:15 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
But wouldn’t a suppressed .22 with standard velocity ammunition and a night vision scope do the same job?

I understand what you are saying.

But which is more cost effective, a 500 count tin of high quality .177 or .22 pellets for about $9 or the cost of the same number of .22 cartridges if you can find them?

27 posted on 05/27/2016 3:20:01 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (#HillaryForPrison-2016)
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To: marktwain

As a side note, you can set up an indoor range in your basement with a simple pellet trap and shoot to your heart’s delight.........


28 posted on 05/27/2016 3:21:57 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (#HillaryForPrison-2016)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I have a basement?


29 posted on 05/27/2016 3:25:56 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

You have a reason to now!


30 posted on 05/27/2016 3:27:15 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: mad_as_he$$
I have a basement?

If you don't have a basement then surely you have a backyard.......

That's a perfect place to set up the pellet trap for your pellet rifle and start doing some cheap practice shooting............

31 posted on 05/27/2016 3:30:29 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (#HillaryForPrison-2016)
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To: marktwain

MrD hunted a garbage dump in Alberta Canada, but he was hunting bear, not rats.


32 posted on 05/27/2016 3:33:41 PM PDT by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I have solved the conundrum by having both air guns and .22 rimfire.

I believe .22 rimfire prices will drop, the market will correct, and .22 rimfire will once again be plentiful and cheap.

Pellet prices have risen as well. I bought about 10k when I could get them at .2 cents each. I also have plentiful .22 rimfire. It comes from my depression era parents. I grew up on tales of hardship and frugality. So I tend to buy when prices are low, and I buy in bulk.


33 posted on 05/27/2016 3:34:47 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

We used to go after a sock hop. Pack a bunch of guys
and guns into a car and head to the Canton Ga. dump.
I didn’t have a .22 so I took my dads 12 gauge.
They raised a lot of chickens around there and the spoiled eggs and carcases were dumped into pits around the dump.
There was also a thirty foot drop at the edge of the dump.
We would wait with lights out for a while till we could
hear the rats moving around then everybody would switch on
and blast away. The 12 gauge made a hell of a racket in
the middle of the night.
Once one of the guys fell into one of the pits, he had to
ride in the back of the truck home that night.

Good Times, the 60s.


34 posted on 05/27/2016 3:37:19 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: marktwain

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22lr


35 posted on 05/27/2016 3:39:47 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING ’VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Frederick303; marktwain

Well, I’ll kill rats, snakes, mice, or what have you if they’re infesting my property, certainly. Even squirrels and rabbits in the garden (I’d eat the rabbits). I just wouldn’t go somewhere for that purpose. When I was a few decades younger I used to shoot coyotes whenever I saw them, and even go out specifically to hunt them, but not any more. Now, they’d have to be posing an immediate threat to family or animals.


36 posted on 05/27/2016 4:17:43 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: JoeProBono

The prices are definitely starting to drop.

I expect a precipitous decline if Trump is elected president.

The bubble will continue for an indeterminate time if Hillary is elected.


37 posted on 05/27/2016 4:19:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Frederick303
with rats I think I could enjoy a 2 hour film of rats being shot and killed

There are lots of youtube videos of rats and other vermin being "controlled" - usually with pellet guns.

38 posted on 05/27/2016 5:46:27 PM PDT by pa_dweller (Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most.)
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To: pa_dweller

Well maybe that is a wee bit to atavistic for me.

My point was unlike almost every other hunting/killing, even if necessary I feel some sorrow or sympathy for the prey. With rats, even though I know they are social animals, I feel none.

No instinct to wipe out chipmunks or squirrels,

I really think somewhere back in northern European human evolution, there was a period where rats were a threat. Nothing else explains it.


39 posted on 05/27/2016 6:14:54 PM PDT by Frederick303
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To: Frederick303

Sounds like a personal problem. that could easily be fixed my going hunting.


40 posted on 05/28/2016 4:51:12 AM PDT by riverrunner
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